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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:33:00 -
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please correct me if wrong..
1) Why do the race with the fastest ships get guns with the slowest tracking?
2) Why don't the ships that have a speed bonus to make them go even faster not get a tracking bonus?
3) Why are the close-range guns with the lowest DPS designed to be used at their falloff range, reducing their already low DPS even further (almost by half)?
4) Why do large artillery have a bigger alpha strike on an Apocalypse than on a Tempest?
5) Why do medium artillery have a bigger alpha strike on both the Prophecy and Brutix than on the Cyclone?
6) Why do medium artillery have the same alpha strike on both the Cyclone and Ferox?
7) Why do medium artillery have an equal alpha strike on the Rupture, Thorax and Maller?
8) Why do medium artillery have a bigger alpha strike on the Thorax and Maller compared to the Stabber?
9) Why do medium artillery have the same alpha strike on both the Stabber and Moa?
10) Why do the guns with the fastest rate of fire (autocannons) have the lowest ammo capacity, causing them to reload more often than usual and as a result lose even more DPS?
11) Why were the race with the lowest hitpoints given the lowest DPS guns?
12) Why do the Minmatar combat ships have some of the smallest cargo sizes, yet they use the most ammunition?
13) Why is there no t2 autocannon ammo that does either Thermal or EM damage?
14) Why does Hail have more penalties than other t2 close-range ammo?
15) Why do top-tier autocannons do almost identical DPS to the middle-tier, an issue that no other guns have?
16) Why is it that even after you have maxed out 3 skill trees to get the most damage out of the Typhoon (projectiles, missiles and drones) and fit Dual 425mm AC IIs, Siege Launcher IIs and T2 drones, you are still out damaged by a Dominix with 6 Dual 250mm Railgun IIs and T2 drones? Fit an electron blaster setup on the Dominix and the Typhoon ends up even further behind.
17) Why do some cruiser autocannons use cap (and surprise surprise, that includes the T2 ones)?
18) Why do 1400mm II have just under double the rate of fire of 425mm Railgun IIs, yet they only hold 1/4 of the ammo?
19) Why do the close-range guns that use the least amount of ammo (blasters) have the highest capacity, as opposed to autocannons which use the most amount of ammo and have the smallest ammo capacity?
20) Why is Minmatar the only race without a defensive form of electronic warfare? Caldari have ECM (ships can't lock), Gallente have sensor dampers (much reduced lock range and far slower targeting speed), Amarr have tracking disruptors (muched reduced optimal range and tracking), and Minmatar have target painting (makes the enemy's signature radius larger. LOL YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO SHUT DOWN A SHIP WITH THAT).
21) If Minmatar ships are supposed to avoid taking damage through their smaller signature radius, why do the Amarr gank ships often have a lower-than-average signature radius too?
22) Why do the Minmatar carriers have the worst bonuses out of all 8?
23) Why can the Caldari sniping HAC (Eagle) fit a full rack of it's best guns, a gank setup and a full tank (250mm Railgun II x 4, Heavy Launcher II x 2, Medium Shield Booster II x 1, Boost Amp x 1, EM Hardener II x 1, Magfield II x 3, BCU II x 1, Sensor Booster II x 2) without a single fitting module, while the Minmatar sniping HAC (Muninn) needs one RCU just to fit all of it's best guns (not even including the 2 launcher slots), and two RCUs in order to fit a medium armour repairer in too?
24) Why are low-tier artillery completely useless?
25) Why do Minmatar, a race who's main weapons systems are supposed to be projectiles and missiles, not have a single dedicated missile ship besides the stealth bomber and missile frigate?
26) Why were Minmatar given so many missile hardpoints yet no bonus to missiles (besides the Huginn, Rapier and the ships in point 25)?
27) Why do Minmatar Recon Ships only get a single bonus 5% rof bonus to their weapon systems?
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:35:00 -
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First!
Because Minmatar sux0r :D
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:35:00 -
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and no I haven't finished the arti thread yet so stop asking!
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Triscuit
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:39:00 -
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CCP hates black people, obviously.
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Emno on 12/04/2006 21:47:39
 Originally by: Sarmaul
please correct me if wrong..
23) Why can the Caldari sniping HAC (Eagle) fit a full rack of it's best guns, a gank setup and a full tank (250mm Railgun II x 4, Heavy Launcher II x 2, Medium Shield Booster II x 1, Boost Amp x 1, EM Hardener II x 1, Magfield II x 3, BCU II x 1, Sensor Booster II x 2) without a single fitting module, while the Minmatar sniping HAC (Muninn) needs one RCU just to fit all of it's best guns (not even including the 2 launcher slots), and two RCUs in order to fit a medium armour repairer in too?
medium shield booster II is not a tank its inviting death ;p
oh and retib can kill a medium shield booster II tanked eagle
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Emno
Edited by: Emno on 12/04/2006 21:47:39
Originally by: Sarmaul
please correct me if wrong..
23) Why can the Caldari sniping HAC (Eagle) fit a full rack of it's best guns, a gank setup and a full tank (250mm Railgun II x 4, Heavy Launcher II x 2, Medium Shield Booster II x 1, Boost Amp x 1, EM Hardener II x 1, Magfield II x 3, BCU II x 1, Sensor Booster II x 2) without a single fitting module, while the Minmatar sniping HAC (Muninn) needs one RCU just to fit all of it's best guns (not even including the 2 launcher slots), and two RCUs in order to fit a medium armour repairer in too?
medium shield booster II is not a tank its inviting death ;p
oh and retib can kill a medium shield booster II tanked eagle
an ishkur could kill a 1-rep muninn :)
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Liiu Rouge
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:48:00 -
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..because you have the vagabond
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Triscuit
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Emno
Edited by: Emno on 12/04/2006 21:47:39
Originally by: Sarmaul
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medium shield booster II is not a tank its inviting death ;p
oh and retib can kill a medium shield booster II tanked eagle
If a Retribution gets on top of a sniping Eagle, the eagle pilot is either doing something wrong or has a stroke of bad luck.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:52:00 -
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Why do you care if you are quitting eve?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:54:00 -
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answer to all: karma
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:54:00 -
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Agree with just about everything. <3 sarmaul.
(I'm a minmatar sympathist, i neither can nor do fly their ships or use ther weapons.)
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Why do you care if you are quitting eve?
I'm sitting at a pos waiting for the fleet to sort itself out and corps & alliances is boring atm
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Triscuit
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:57:00 -
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Also just because he's quitting doesn't make his questions any less valid.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.04.12 23:08:00 -
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/signed
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Lonectzn
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Posted - 2006.04.13 02:10:00 -
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1) 2) Projectile tracking is odd. I would have thought the type of gun we use would have the best tracking. After all, the tracking RP is about the guns ability to physically follow a target on a field, not the ammo or etc. Call it spray and pray =). The accuracy loss is already shown in the optimal/falloff, with a short accurate range but good effective range (since shells unlike lasers and plasma blobs do not degrade with range). Arties however I think deserve the worst tracking.
3) 11) I still think this is better made up for with better falloff, than a ROF/damage mod increase.
10) 12) 18) 19) The kind of guns they are fits the high ammo use, and I guess to an extent large/heavy shells. However on the arties and top-tier autos there are some issues, especially arties.
13) 14) You know they really aren't too bad. Barrage is great. Falloff bonus, fantastic. Hail... pretty good too but not on the level of Barrage IMO. Speed penalty is a big turnoff. Of course these are both pointless against caldari, who we already have the most trouble against.
25) 26) I wish there was more discussion about this too. However until something is done about nos, no matter what happens people will use that.
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Posted - 2006.04.13 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Calisto Cody
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Posted - 2006.04.13 03:59:00 -
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didnt you quit...
but glad your back
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.04.13 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Estan Drake on 13/04/2006 04:39:56
/signed a million times over.
If anyone thinks these arn't major issues, they havn't flown minnie ships before
Oh and you forgot one:
28) Why do most of the ships lend themselves to Armor tanks when the Minmatar's base resists are best on shield tanks?
Edit: Before anyone brings it up- Notable exceptions are the Cyclone and both Command ships
Also, shield tanks don't interfere with *Speed* and *firepower* like an armor tank does. The two things Minnie ships are supposed to be designed for.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Calisto Cody
didnt you quit...
but glad your back
I officially quit in 3 days time. getting in some last minute moaning :)
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 13/04/2006 16:22:12
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Calisto Cody
didnt you quit...
but glad your back
I officially quit in 3 days time. getting in some last minute moaning :)
You'll be back.....they always come back...
*insert insane laughter of evil overlord here, please*
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Estan Drake
Edited by: Estan Drake on 13/04/2006 04:39:56
/signed a million times over.
If anyone thinks these arn't major issues, they havn't flown minnie ships before
Oh and you forgot one:
28) Why do most of the ships lend themselves to Armor tanks when the Minmatar's base resists are best on shield tanks?
Edit: Before anyone brings it up- Notable exceptions are the Cyclone and both Command ships
Also, shield tanks don't interfere with *Speed* and *firepower* like an armor tank does. The two things Minnie ships are supposed to be designed for.
Shield tanks do effect firepower when you have such crap resources to fit them with. Example being an AC tempest. If you fit 6x 650 AC, 2x heavy nos, XL boost, 2 hardeners, AB, Web/Scram even with max skills you now have 20 cpu to fit 6 low slots. And you NEED 3 gyros to even consider competeing against close range BS.
And that tank sucks. A lot.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
Originally by: Estan Drake
Edited by: Estan Drake on 13/04/2006 04:39:56
/signed a million times over.
If anyone thinks these arn't major issues, they havn't flown minnie ships before
Oh and you forgot one:
28) Why do most of the ships lend themselves to Armor tanks when the Minmatar's base resists are best on shield tanks?
Edit: Before anyone brings it up- Notable exceptions are the Cyclone and both Command ships
Also, shield tanks don't interfere with *Speed* and *firepower* like an armor tank does. The two things Minnie ships are supposed to be designed for.
Shield tanks do effect firepower when you have such crap resources to fit them with. Example being an AC tempest. If you fit 6x 650 AC, 2x heavy nos, XL boost, 2 hardeners, AB, Web/Scram even with max skills you now have 20 cpu to fit 6 low slots. And you NEED 3 gyros to even consider competeing against close range BS.
And that tank sucks. A lot.
Its worse on a Cyclone, you'll need 3 Mids for AB/MWD, Web and Scram, what type of shield tank can you fit on 2 slots?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.13 17:18:00 -
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28) why does our close-range ammo not do as much damage as the other 2 turret's close range ammo?
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Posted - 2006.04.13 18:38:00 -
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30) The overview stretches another 2-inches across the screen to manage target size/velocity/transverse with little bonus+benefit to all the extra management needed to hit the target.
Starting to feel like a MUD, overview blocked graphics FTL!!
(at least the overview is semi-transparent)
31)Projectile damage isn't enough above missles/hybrid/lasers to warrant the added headache to manage.
Minmatar ships that get alot of respect- Claw and Vagabond
Both ships get bonuses that over come the shortfalls of using Projectile weapons.
Vaga- speed bonus(total control of engagement velocity/transverse, not dictated by opponent)
Claw- tracking bonus that adds to the high tracking small AC already have. High speed orbit FTW!
Minmatar -slogan- AND -curse-
"You can't kill what you can't hit"
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.14 08:22:00 -
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32) why does a 280mm artillery II (the biggest frigate artillery) get outdamaged by a 75mm gatling railgun II (the smallest frigate railgun)
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Posted - 2006.04.14 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
32) why does a 280mm artillery II (the biggest frigate artillery) get outdamaged by a 75mm gatling railgun II (the smallest frigate railgun)
Is that true? gonna have to look.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.14 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
Originally by: Sarmaul
32) why does a 280mm artillery II (the biggest frigate artillery) get outdamaged by a 75mm gatling railgun II (the smallest frigate railgun)
Is that true? gonna have to look.
wolf with 280mm IIs: 72dps
enyo with 75mm IIs: 92dps
enyo with 150mm IIs: 96dps
enyo with 200mm IIs: 101dps
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Posted - 2006.04.14 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Boonaki on 14/04/2006 08:40:26
Edited by: Boonaki on 14/04/2006 08:38:28
Originally by: Sarmaul
32) why does a 280mm artillery II (the biggest frigate artillery) get outdamaged by a 75mm gatling railgun II (the smallest frigate railgun)
1 280 Arty 2 = 15.875 DPS on 0 resists with EMP
1 75mm rail 2 = 18.245 DPS on 0 resists with AM
1 150mm rail 2 = 20.463 DPS on 0 resists with AM
1 125mm auto 2 = 19.931 DPS on 0 resists with EMP
This is max skills, no ship bonus. Just the guns and ammo damage.
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Posted - 2006.04.14 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Triscuit
CCP hates black people, obviously.
why bring us into it?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.14 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
Originally by: Triscuit
CCP hates black people, obviously.
why bring us into it?
brutors = black people in game. he's not on about people in real life
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