Well that was exactly Mr. Jones' point, with which you now seem to agree, that but for these mechanics more people would play. Therefore, if they were changed EvE, overall might be more successful. It seems like that is the third thing we have agreed on.

Ok, then how about this: Get rid of ALL pve beyond the tutorials. As soon as you learn that you join a corp and start PvP from then on. No more killing rats. No more wormholes. Nope, not needed. Just join a big corp and go after other people. It's not like there is any reason to play the game except the way you do, right?

Again, it's obvious this all boils down to higher level players that don't want to risk having to face their peers.

Yeah, but new people need time to develop to stay interested in a game.

make it harder to war dec players who weren't bother anyone, make gate camps harder to pull off

Heheh, about what I expected. Another issue with the game is that a huge number of people on the forums are apparently the shut-in non-working types with no sex lives who derive their entire sense of self worth from their ability to feel superior on a video game. Not any actual reasoned discussion.

Yeah, but new people need time to develop to stay interested in a game. These people need their easy targets in order to stay interested in the game. That's why there can't be any sort of changes that make it harder to war dec players who weren't bother anyone, make gate camps harder to pull off, etc.

You all need to get into ewar ships. Jam their T3s and watch the tears flow.

In fact message me in game if you are under wardec still, I will contract you some ewar hulls with the proviso you send me any local/evemail tears.

LoL, I know, that was my suggestion, but they don't have that available.

So what I see is that unless you are already running tech 3 ships or have plenty of corp mates online all the time, you shouldn't really play the game. You can't join a small corp who wants to play casually for an hour or so a couple times a week together and enjoy the group dynamic without being harassed by groups who really can't risk anything more than the "easy kill". No, we shouldn't make any slight changes that would encourage players of a certain level to leave lower level players alone, so perhaps those players develop. Heh, I can see the chunky kid behind the keyboard who got pushed around on the playground thinking he get's his revenge on Eve. And from all I read on these forums, it really is about a fear that the higher level players will lose their easy targets. Can't have that. It's all about risk, right? Just as long as it's the other guy's risk, not yours.

Every game needs new players. EvE is no exception, the thing is, EvE is not your typical MMORPG.
If 'those' new players can't even get past the tutorial or the first hours, I'm not so sure that's the kind of players EvE needs, It's like a rite of passage, you pass it, then you enjoy the benefits, If you don't well, better luck next time or try again.

As I see it, its a conondrum, you need new players to keep the game alive but again, you need to be thick skinned to play this, If you fall down once and can't even shrug it off at least once, This game is not for you and you would be a fool to keep playing unless you like to torture yourself.

Crybaby.

Hi. I'm a noooOOB. I like cake. And CCP should nerf null sec and buff hi sec.

You deduced all that about him based on his one word response to him?

Or am I detecting some prescriptive retaliation?

Heheh, about what I expected. Another issue with the game is that a huge number of people on the forums are apparently the shut-in non-working types with no sex lives who derive their entire sense of self worth from their ability to feel superior on a video game. Not any actual reasoned discussion.

A valid point arises, what is simply missing is rewards for being the good guy. EVE works as risk vs reward, and what we're failing to attract is the good guy player persona. The bad guy is always glorified, through the news and etc, whats the next big heist? But nobody ever sees the good deeds, most players DO NOT like to play in that kind of environment, they want to know that what they're doing is going to be rewarded as significantly as the other.

Also to add, war dec shields coming winter 2014 :D, im calling it.

who will be the crybaby if EVE ends up having to go F2P because of noobs like you chasing off newbies. It takes money to keep the game going and if idiots chase off potential subscribers it hurts the game in the long run.

In the end I am telling you to grow a pair of balls and get some skill instead of harassing newbies.

would you rather have 1000 newbies mining paying the 15 dollars a month, or 100 newbies dropping 100 dollars a month or more on plex?

1'000 * 15 = 15'000
100 * 100 = 10'000

I'd take a).

New players who can't afford to buy plex to get easy isk aren't essential to the life of CCP, CCP wants people willing to buy plex to survive the suicide gankers, this increases profits.