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mr ed thehouseofed Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 459	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:49:00 - [91] - Quote one way to solve the problem,is noobie's cant leave hi-sec for 6 months . if they cant figure out the game by then, they never will real gamers only need one toon-á
Remiel Pollard Stirling Iron Society 2493	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:55:00 - [92] - Quote Tippia wrote: Knights Armament wrote: New players who can't afford to buy plex to get easy isk aren't essential to the life of CCP, CCP wants people willing to buy plex to survive the suicide gankers, this increases profits. If this were true, they would long since have removed all the protections newbies have and rolled back all the safety improvements highsec has seen over the years. Instead, they've made the game easier and added more layers of protection for those players. Based on his subsequent posting, the OP's problem rather seems to be that these alterations are done for new players and don't involve anything that he, as an older player, can use to his advantage. So he hides a cry for more protection for himself behind the standard veil of GÇ£think of the newbiesGÇ¥. Hehe, obligatory. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1283	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:16:00 - [93] - Quote Oliver Wendel Jones wrote: I've tried to get new guys involved in the game, and it always comes down to the same problem. There is a massive advantage for people who have been playing for a long time, and also for those who can devote a lot of time to the game. That is the greatest LIE about eve ever. Eve is exaclty interestign because you do nto need to invest as much time as MMOs where the advancement is grind based. You need for example a tiny FRACTION of the time investment of WoT players. And even so the advantage of older players in WoT is far LARGER than of old playerts in eve. At the end these people that say that are uninformed or crybabies. OF course, veterans have MOre options, but you can focus on something as be as good as a veteran within a few months. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1283	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:18:00 - [94] - Quote mr ed thehouseofed wrote: one way to solve the problem,is noobie's cant leave hi-sec for 6 months . if they cant figure out the game by then, they never will Wtf? The opposite. Anyoen that does nto leave high sec within the first few weeks is likely to never understand eve and become one of these simplistic missiosn runners that drop the game after 2 years complainign there is not enoguh content. The sooners a plaer goes into a PLAYER CORP.. and then into low sec. The larger the chance he becomes a core eve gamer. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Tyrton Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns 77	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:36:00 - [95] - Quote Oliver Wendel Jones wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: Some knowledgeable person should give OP some useful advice on how to beat the wardec problem. That's why the corp isn't enjoying the game-- they don't know how to counter the wardecs. The problem is, you make suggestions on how to ease it up on the new people and the gangs who can't get by without their easy targets start flaming. Maybe something along the lines of comparing average skill points of the war deccing corp to the average skill points of the target corp and basing the cost of the dec on that? Right now it's a cheap thing to war dec a corp in high sec and pick off their players running level 3's in their tech 1 ships. There is no such thing as avarage skill points ... I may have 125 mill sp ... but if you an I meet in a frig fight all I have is 120 mill sp that is useless at that point in time. At the poster that seems to have a gripe about "high sec soloer" etc etc. Please don't group this guy with those guys I am one of those guys for reasons (career and+ 1.5 year old=no time) The OP is just a ***** and moaner, and those exists in all sec's of eve.
Good Posting Posting with my Mind 112	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:50:00 - [96] - Quote Can you guys stop sending people to low sec-null sec? Elite pvpers, miners, mission runners, explorers, etc... please stay in hi sec and ******* leave me alone. The is nothing here, really. DAMN IT
Victor Andall Complexes and Abaddons 135	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:15:00 - [97] - Quote Good Posting wrote: Can you guys stop sending people to low sec-null sec? Elite pvpers, miners, mission runners, explorers, etc... please stay in hi sec and ******* leave me alone. The is nothing here, really. DAMN IT We're generating content for you. You should be paying us. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information.
Jirix Hobgoblin One Flew Over 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:19:00 - [98] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Dani Aider wrote: Would anyone care to do me a TLDR version please ? I have a fear of large walls. Many thanks TL;DR - EVE is dying cuz meanie vets are scaring away new people. Or is EVE dying because vets block up the manufacturing spaces on the n00bie training station, so that they cannot complete their introductory missions, or else have to be enterprising and find another manufacturing station, and then learn that they have to load the blueprints onto their ships to transfer it to the other new station, and then also learning (afterwards naturally) that they have to load their already mined and refined tritanium onto the ship and transfer it to the new station... and n00b.
Good Posting Posting with my Mind 113	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:31:00 - [99] - Quote Victor Andall wrote: We're generating content for you. You should be paying us. I don't want to harm people. I only like site running and 80's disco music while site running while dancing while running the crimson hand. Do you waaaana funk with meeeee!! clap clap!!
Uma D Uma D Ltd. 72	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:34:00 - [100] - Quote Good Posting wrote: Victor Andall wrote: We're generating content for you. You should be paying us. I don't want to harm people. I only like site running and 80's disco music while site running while dancing while running the crimson hand. Do you waaaana funk with meeeee!! clap clap!! If enough frigs are coming your way a good old discophoon would surely fit quite well to listening to that music :)
Dragon Outlaw Rogue Fleet 181	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:39:00 - [101] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: . EVE has grown in subs every year since it began. Eve Online Status Monitor - Tranquility Weekly Average: 2013-02-07 = 35537 2014-02-06 = 34780 Are you sure Eve is growing bro?
Mythrandier Corporate Scum Northern Associates. 325	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:41:00 - [102] - Quote Knights Armament wrote: If newbies can mine freely without being blown up and pay for the game entirely in isk it just removes plex from the market What? Anyone can mine freely without being blown up. My other account has mined in high sec since 2005, only ever had one attempt at suicide ganking on me, I had a tank on my retri so he died to concord and I got a free kill mail! I assume what you mean is GÇ£If anyone could mine AFK and sans any kind of effort without being blown upGÇ¥ DonGÇÖt mine 5 jumps from Jita, donGÇÖt sit at the warp in, fit a freaking tank for Odins sake and ganking becomes something that happens to other people. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams.
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1711	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:02:00 - [103] - Quote Well lets see - What would you say if you saw an advertisement for EVE that went something like this: EVE Online - Do you want to joined 500,000 other players in a single shard persistent world where skill's are time based rather than accumulative. Some of the features of EVE include: * Starting off with 55,000 skillpoints vs players like Infinity Ziona, a 2003 character, who might have in excess of 200,000,000. * Get ganked repeatedly by players in game in even the safest parts of EVE by the numerous alts of Goonswarm and other alliances. * Get scammed both in game and out of game by experienced players while the developers applaud the scammer's for emergent gameplay. * Build an alliance and have it disbanded by alts and spies on out of game forums rather than in game mechanics. * Want to take some space, well you can't do that, however you can rent some from Goonswarm and other alliances if you really must have some. * If you're alliance doesn't get disbanded, enjoy taking on the 37,000 players in Goonswarm. Why Goonswarm you ask? Well because they pretty much own all of player conquerable and valuable space in the game. You will be crushed but I'm sure you'll have lots of fun. * Pilot an immense freighter capable of transporting huge amounts of cargo but remember, don't put huge amounts of cargo in it or alts of alliances will blow it up, even in the safest space in EVE. * Enjoy broken mechanics that will never be fixed, enjoy training up skills for months or even years and then having the developers arbitrarily change the game so all the training you did becomes pointless. Skillpoint reallocation policies? Are you crazy. * Become a member of the CSM and represent the community of EVE online but only if you can get the 37k x 3 votes to beat the current alliance domination of the CSM and the development of EVE. * PVE - we have tons, do Worlds Collides and Angel Extravaganza over and over and over and .... again... Expect to get ganked if you put anything other than T2 mods on your ships. Why do they exist? They're for Goonswarm and the other alliances to use I guess. I have no clue... just don't put them on your ship. I could go on forever. This is not a newbie friendly game. Its horribly imbalanced. Its unnecessarily brutal to new players and most of that brutality comes from rich experienced players enjoying blowing up some newbs brand new mining barge and making them quit. The game can be summed up nicely by what happened with NC. and that guy that had cancer. Very pathetic. Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467
ZeeWolf Novus Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:08:00 - [104] - Quote Oliver Wendel Jones wrote: BuckStrider wrote: Crybaby. ...shut-in non-working types with no sex lives.... How do you expect us to play for 20 hours a day otherwise?
mbiz schnitzel Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:38:00 - [105] - Quote Im a new player. Only thing that annoyed me was getting a bit lost on what to do after finishing the sis of eve arc. All good now though. If the game was made softer for new people Id be less interested. Every game these days holds your hand and gives you a reach around too. No thanks. Veterans should have an unfair power advantage. Thats what makes RPGs cool. And noobs have an super functional role by learning frigates for fleets.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4817	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:46:00 - [106] - Quote mbiz schnitzel wrote: Im a new player. Only thing that annoyed me was getting a bit lost on what to do after finishing the sis of eve arc. All good now though. If the game was made softer for new people Id be less interested. Every game these days holds your hand and gives you a reach around too. No thanks. Veterans should have an unfair power advantage. Thats what makes RPGs cool. And noobs have an super functional role by learning frigates for fleets. This, ladies and gentlebeings, is an EVE player.
Remiel Pollard Stirling Iron Society 2496	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:48:00 - [107] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: * Starting off with 55,000 skillpoints vs players like Infinity Ziona, a 2003 character, who might have in excess of 200,000,000. See, this is why you're so confused. I'll bet you right now, every last isk I have, that I know players who started in 2012 and 2013 on fresh toons that could beat your ~200mil SP toon in a 1v1. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Pew Terror Green Associates 81	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:08:00 - [108] - Quote 2 things are needed to attract more new players: -Starting off with more SP, either through much more powerful "Celebral Accelerators" or just plain old unassigned SP. 10mil SP is about the point where you can actually play EvE. (I am relatively new and personally hardly played at all in the first months because the difference in combat effectiveness is on a "not even funny" level. Its fine to be a newbro and only able to fly very few select ships at 80-90% efficiency, but flying at 70% and below you might as well stay docked, even in cheap tackle). -Getting people in corps quicker. This is a community thing guys. Peeps like the good guys from RvB is what saves the new player experience. The first time you jump into lowsec in a frigate there should be a popup stating: "Hey there! I see you like to get blown up in your shiny spaceship. Why dont you turn around, apply to the good chaps of RvB and learn how to fly in fleets and most importantly learn that spaceships are to be considered gone as soon as you press undock."
Uma D Uma D Ltd. 74	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:10:00 - [109] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003. The usual nonsense of Ziona... Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003. Yes EvE is not the same as in 2003, but unlike what you seem to be claiming it is a lot easier for players to get into the game, which you would actually know if you would have played back in those days. Let me just mention a few things: - New players get lots of free stuff from tutorial missions which players back in 2003 (given they would have existed) would have had to grind for over several days. - New players have the advantage that they can learn a lot from old players while the people who played back then had to figure it out all on their own. - Getting scammed is a lot harder unless you are unable to read. (Everyone who knows the old escrow knows what i mean). - New players can make a lot more ISK and a lot faster these days, which makes ship losses a lot easier to replace. - High sec is a lot safer than it used to be back in 2003. - No more need for learning skills + higher base attributes + attribute remapping -> faster skill training for new players. - Attribute enhancers are a lot easier to afford for new players -> faster skill training for new players. - Ships are balanced a lot better these days (but of course in your book getting rid of fotm ships and iwin buttons is a bad thing) - does affect pretty much all players, including new players. That is just a few things which I can quickly can up with which makes the life a lot easier for new players. Yet you run around and claim EvE was better back in 2003. Which surely depends on the perspective. For people who liked a really harsh game where every single loss could actually hurt, yes for those EvE was better. For new players (the players this thread is about) it was by far worse than it is today.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1221	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:29:00 - [110] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: * Starting off with 55,000 skillpoints vs players like Infinity Ziona, a 2003 character, who might have in excess of 200,000,000. See, this is why you're so confused. I'll bet you right now, every last isk I have, that I know players who started in 2012 and 2013 on fresh toons that could beat your ~200mil SP toon in a 1v1. you know it i know it 99.9% of Eve players know it new player doesn't know it. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Mocam EVE University Ivy League 421	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:47:00 - [111] - Quote Dragon Outlaw wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: . EVE has grown in subs every year since it began. Eve Online Status Monitor - Tranquility Weekly Average: 2013-02-07 = 35537 2014-02-06 = 34780 Are you sure Eve is growing bro? Subscrptions are up - player count isn't. It's been that way for some time. CCP sells a good number of alt accounts to their existing player base. So the server load doesn't go up but revenues do - not a bad deal for them but they do put a lot of eggs in a few baskets when so many have multiple accounts. Lose 50 longer term players and that's liable to be 150-300 accounts gone vs 1:1 ratio. As for the OP's statements... "Causal" is what EVE is about. That queue system means every time your casual player can actually play, they are fitting and flying ships better than the last time they could play - simply by feeding the queue with a couple spare minutes every few days or so and this continues across a year or more of play. No other game with "grind time" setups enables someone with a job, family, etc. to "keep up" and advance in such a fashion and the fact it can be done with such little time invested means you can live your life and not live in your game to "keep up with friends". Ships from 5 years ago are still functional in their roles today as they were back then. Some changes here or there but the same hulls are still of high value as "useful equipment" - show me that with other games you've played. Newbies aren't just "victims" if they don't choose to be. They can be like piranha - a school of little things that eat bigger, meaner things - 1 at a time. The old e-uni snicker was 25 newbies in cheap ships will chase off 5 2+ year veterans in faction fit HAC's & BC's - easily - and those vets WILL haul ass out of there if those newbies come at them in an organized fashion. One level 80 wizard type will burn down 25 "level 5-10" guys in seconds while laughing about it - that doesn't happen here so your gang of newbies can and will be able to compete against lesser numbers of much older characters IF they get organized and work together. As such; the only limit to your PvP survival early on is simply mandating that you DO work with a good number of others or you will be a victim to equivalent numbers of older chars for quite some time. Yes teamwork is needed early on but that can and will lead to success. This is part of the design of this game and enables younger players to actually be contributing members of an assault group from days into the game. This is not a bad thing.
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 1222	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:15:00 - [112] - Quote Its like this whole thread exists in some alternate universe where Brave Newbies doesn't exist. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2608	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:19:00 - [113] - Quote Uma D wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003. The usual nonsense of Ziona... Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003. He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap. It goes a long way to explain how old the character is, yet how they manage to have more massive gaps in their knowledge of the game than even me, who was unsubbed for years. When I resubbed I literally did not know what PI was, and even I am less outstandingly ignorant than Infinity Ziona. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 2514	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:31:00 - [114] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap. i thought something was up but didn't figgur it out is the post on eve-search? edits don't appear to get deleted there
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2608	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:36:00 - [115] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap. i thought something was up but didn't figgur it out is the post on eve-search? edits don't appear to get deleted there I am sure I have no idea. Eve search trips one of my antivirus something or others, so I haven't been on there in a while. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4819	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:39:00 - [116] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Uma D wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003. The usual nonsense of Ziona... Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003. He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap. It goes a long way to explain how old the character is, yet how they manage to have more massive gaps in their knowledge of the game than even me, who was unsubbed for years. When I resubbed I literally did not know what PI was, and even I am less outstandingly ignorant than Infinity Ziona. You mean, like a "2003" character who once told me he was ratting serps before I was "born" not knowing how much kinetic damage serps do?
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2608	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:41:00 - [117] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Uma D wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003. The usual nonsense of Ziona... Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003. He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap. It goes a long way to explain how old the character is, yet how they manage to have more massive gaps in their knowledge of the game than even me, who was unsubbed for years. When I resubbed I literally did not know what PI was, and even I am less outstandingly ignorant than Infinity Ziona. You mean, like a "2003" character who once told me he was ratting serps before I was "born" not knowing how much kinetic damage serps do? Well, I'll be damned. The logs don't show nothing. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 1715	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:04:00 - [118] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Uma D wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003. The usual nonsense of Ziona... Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003. He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap. It goes a long way to explain how old the character is, yet how they manage to have more massive gaps in their knowledge of the game than even me, who was unsubbed for years. When I resubbed I literally did not know what PI was, and even I am less outstandingly ignorant than Infinity Ziona. You mean, like a "2003" character who once told me he was ratting serps before I was "born" not knowing how much kinetic damage serps do? Well, I'll be damned. The logs don't show nothing. LOL - Desperation is funny. Its very easy to find out if I'm the same player or not... simply look at my posts that go all the way back to 2003 :) Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 2514	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:22:00 - [119] - Quote http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1092613 Stormwind Bloodfeather wrote: You won't be missed. By anyone. Ever. Jimer Lins wrote: (Your arrogance and immaturity will not be missed any more than you will) insufferable attention-seeking arse, fits the MO
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2608	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:46:00 - [120] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1092613 Stormwind Bloodfeather wrote: You won't be missed. By anyone. Ever. Jimer Lins wrote: (Your arrogance and immaturity will not be missed any more than you will) insufferable attention-seeking arse, fits the MO Idk, that kind of ragequit is the prelude to a character sale if I've ever seen one. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á

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