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Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:01:00 - [1] - Quote I know this is an idea that CCP are aware of and that has been posted about on numerous occasions, so I'm not going to try and phrase it as a 'feature suggestion' or anything. I'm just wondering if anybody knows what the latest update is on this in terms of whether they are working on it, whether they have tabled it for the time being or what. If anybody from CCP has the time to answer I'd really like to know which of the following categories this falls into: 1) There's some kind of technical hurdle making this difficult to implement 2) There's no technical hurdle but it's still a large piece of work and you don't have time 3) You don't want to do this because you are all incredibly evil people who hate logistics pilots and secretly plot to thwart us at every turn. Anybody in the know care to enlighten me?
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 338	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:07:00 - [2] - Quote Another regular logi pilot would also like to know. eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service
Seven Koskanaiken Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 871	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:07:00 - [3] - Quote Bring a warrior II, or civilian gatling in the high slot.
Garnoo Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 106	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:08:00 - [4] - Quote this will never happen... deal with it or we will get soon requests about getting on kn for beign close to dying target requests People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:10:00 - [5] - Quote Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Bring a warrior II. Thanks for being obnoxius and unhelpful. This is what I currently do, but sometimes I don't have time to screw around with KM whoring due to the more pressing issue of trying to keep my fleet members alive. In addition, it would be nice to be able to field a full flight of medium logi drones to add to my effectiveness. You'll notice the title of this thread was not 'How do I get on killmails as logi?'. But seriously though, your reply was super helpful.
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:12:00 - [6] - Quote Garnoo wrote: this will never happen... deal with it or we will get soon requests about getting on kn for beign close to dying target requests I believe it will happen, as I've heard CCP talking about it as something they intend to do in the future. I just don't know any specifics, which is why I was asking.
Seven Koskanaiken Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 871	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:23:00 - [7] - Quote Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Bring a warrior II. Thanks for being obnoxius and unhelpful. This is what I currently do, but sometimes I don't have time to screw around with KM whoring due to the more pressing issue of trying to keep my fleet members alive. In addition, it would be nice to be able to field a full flight of medium logi drones to add to my effectiveness. You'll notice the title of this thread was not 'How do I get on killmails as logi?'. But seriously though, your reply was super helpful. Perhaps if you wanted to know potential future design ideas you should ask CCP by petition, or perhaps even phone their offices, rather than asking on a public forum.
Desert Ice78 Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us 349	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:31:00 - [8] - Quote Laiannah Sahireen wrote: This is what I currently do, but sometimes I don't have time to screw around with KM whoring due to the more pressing issue of trying to keep my fleet members alive. Which begs the question - why are you so bothered with KM whoring when your only concern should be keeping your fleetmates alive? I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:36:00 - [9] - Quote Desert Ice78 wrote: Laiannah Sahireen wrote: This is what I currently do, but sometimes I don't have time to screw around with KM whoring due to the more pressing issue of trying to keep my fleet members alive. Which begs the question - why are you so bothered with KM whoring when your only concern should be keeping your fleetmates alive? Because it's hardly fair that everybody else on grid who contributes to the kill gets on the KM and the logi doesn't unless he deliberately whores on mails and thus devotes less attention to keeping the fleet alive. Are you seriously asking this? Why shouldn't logi be on killmails?
Frank Millar 446	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:41:00 - [10] - Quote Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Are you seriously asking this? Why shouldn't logi be on killmails? Are you seriously asking this? Why should logi be on killmails?

Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:43:00 - [11] - Quote Frank Millar wrote: Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Are you seriously asking this? Why shouldn't logi be on killmails? Are you seriously asking this? Why should logi be on killmails? Because they contributed to the kill by keeping the damage-dealing ships alive long enough to secure it. Next question.
Yarda Black Epidemic. 47	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:45:00 - [12] - Quote I'm gonna give another anoying answer. Sorry about that in advance :) I used to be a logi pilot. I brought warriors and assigned 2 of them to the FC or some one I knew was pro at getting on KM's. My main job out there was keeping people alive and making sure they got onto killmails. If that meant I would not have the time to deploy drones, then no KM for me that day. It happens. So here's my anoying answer; IF killmails are important to you and you feel you need to be on them, you are not in the right ship. You need to be in a ship that makes a hostile act against a target. Right now you're in a ship that has a beneficial effect on a teammate. You're either logi or not
Jezza McWaffle Blackstar Privateers Disavowed. 84	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:49:00 - [13] - Quote Lol any Logi pilot who tries to ***** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot C6 Wormhole blog http://holelotofwaffle.wordpress.com/
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:50:00 - [14] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: You're either logi or not This is nonsense. It's a PVP game and logistics is a vital role in PVP, there's no reason for logi pilots to miss out on KMs. Besides, you're completely missing the point. CCP have already said they plan to do this. My question was whether anybody knows what the latest news is on when we might expect it.
Yarda Black Epidemic. 47	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:52:00 - [15] - Quote Jezza McWaffle wrote: Lol any Logi pilot who tries to ***** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot Dont fully agree with that to be honest. I do think a logi pilot who's first prioty is killmails doesn't have the proper focus. Whether or not that makes them bad depends on the fight and how this priority affects their logistics.
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:52:00 - [16] - Quote Jezza McWaffle wrote: Lol any Logi pilot who tries to ***** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot Which is why I miss out on a lot of KMs. I like logi and i'm very good at it. There are entire battle reports that have no record I was ever on grid, which is total bull considering the amount of effort logi pilots put in.
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:54:00 - [17] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: Jezza McWaffle wrote: Lol any Logi pilot who tries to *** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot Dont fully agree with that to be honest. Yarda Black wrote:** IF killmails are important to you and you feel you need to be on them, you are not in the right ship. You're either logi or not Make your mind up plzkthx.
Yarda Black Epidemic. 47	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:55:00 - [18] - Quote Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Yarda Black wrote: You're either logi or not This is nonsense. It's a PVP game and logistics is a vital role in PVP, there's no reason for logi pilots to miss out on KMs. You're right. As someone who lights a cyno for fleets, I should be on all killmails. Without me, no fight. I should be on all the blue kills as well. Without me the reds would not have a single target to shoot at. I do agree with logi being vital for fleets tho. I dont agree with the need to be on killmails.
Yarda Black Epidemic. 47	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:57:00 - [19] - Quote Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Yarda Black wrote: Jezza McWaffle wrote: Lol any Logi pilot who tries to *** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot Dont fully agree with that to be honest. Yarda Black wrote:** IF killmails are important to you and you feel you need to be on them, you are not in the right ship. You're either logi or not Make your mind up plzkthx. Those two seem contradicting because they were ripped out of their original context. But even in their current "abused" shape; they're not.
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:58:00 - [20] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Yarda Black wrote: You're either logi or not This is nonsense. It's a PVP game and logistics is a vital role in PVP, there's no reason for logi pilots to miss out on KMs. You're right. As someone who lights a cyno for fleets, I should be on all killmails. Without me, no fight. I should be on all the blue kills as well. Without me the reds would not have a single target to shoot at. I do agree with logi being vital for fleets tho. I dont agree with the need to be on killmails. I know you're trying to use this as a counterexample as to why my reasoning is flawed, but if there was a sensible way to do it, I agree cyno pilots should get recognition in a battle report. I'm sure we can agree, however that this would be a hell of a lot harder to track than logistics, who are right there on grid activating targeted modules on other ships. Besides, in my experience it's very rare for anybody to be a dedicated cyno pilot - it's almost always an alt or a main who tackles and then cynos.

Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 303	Posted - 2014.02.21 11:01:00 - [21] - Quote Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Garnoo wrote: this will never happen... deal with it or we will get soon requests about getting on kn for beign close to dying target requests I believe it will happen, as I've heard CCP talking about it as something they intend to do in the future. I just don't know any specifics, which is why I was asking. along with POS and sov fixes and a hole load of other crap we been waiting for years for. stoped holding my breath long time ago
Esha Ditrix Caldari Provisions Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.02.21 11:02:00 - [22] - Quote dont ruin my "neutral" logi please :) Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.02.21 11:05:00 - [23] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: Laiannah Sahireen wrote: Garnoo wrote: this will never happen... deal with it or we will get soon requests about getting on kn for beign close to dying target requests I believe it will happen, as I've heard CCP talking about it as something they intend to do in the future. I just don't know any specifics, which is why I was asking. along with POS and sov fixes and a hole load of other crap we been waiting for years for. stoped holding my breath long time ago This is my fear as well, however it just doesn't seem as big of a change as overhauling the whole of the sov mechanics would be. My reasoning is as follows: 1) You already have the ability to recognise that logistics is repping somebody with a flag (e.g. suspect) and transfer that flag to logi. 2) You have the ability to add ships to killmails who have not contributed damage directly. 3) You have the ability to recognise when a ship is on grid with another ship (because you show it on the overview) Therefore, in theory you have the building blocks, code-wise to implement adding logistics to KMs. This is why I'm curious to see if there is a technical hitch that makes this harder than it seems or if it just isn't a high enough priority at the moment.
Valleria Darkmoon Heretic Army Heretic Initiative 198	Posted - 2014.02.21 11:20:00 - [24] - Quote If you are a good logi pilot your fleet/alliance/corp mates will know it and will want you around all the time no matter what your killboard looks like. They know what you can do and why would you care what anyone else thinks about your stats? Logi getting on KMs feels like it should be a low priority to me, it might be nice to see that you are doing things in case you ever need to apply to other corps/alliances but the game still functions without that so it really doesn't feel important to me.
Rhatar Khurin Happy Asteroid Ltd 507	Posted - 2014.02.21 13:34:00 - [25] - Quote Personally i don't see why anyone would remotely care if their logistic ship didn't get on the KM.
JC Anderson Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1047	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:01:00 - [26] - Quote Never really cared much myself either, but I do know CCP said that this will be added in the near future, and that many players wanted it. So I can't help but be curious about it. I don't actually have to like, or want a change to the game to admit that it might be a good idea. ;)
Pew Terror Green Associates 82	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:25:00 - [27] - Quote Shut up and rep me while i solo...
Killian Redbeard Ironhand Research and Industrial Corp SoulWing Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:34:00 - [28] - Quote If logi get on km they should also show up on the km for who they were trying to save that died as a loss.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 180	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:43:00 - [29] - Quote I don't get an easy way this can be done, at present, people appear on a killmail if they have performed an effect on the dead ship, this is something a Logi isn't doing, it is performing an action on a completely different ship. If youGÇÖre argueing that your effect on a ship involved in the killing should be inherited by the ship it killed, this creates a whole spaghetti mess of someone getting on killmail because they shot someone, who ecmGÇÖed someone else, who shot someone, who died. And where do you stop? Maybe I should get on extra killmails for sensor dampening you, which means you repped less damage ships; but that would mean I would get on the killmails of my own side, since my effects are being inherited through you, whose repping ships that are shooting my sideGÇª but shouldnGÇÖt I be getting on the killmaills of the guys you didnGÇÖt rep, since that means I contributed to them dying? Any system that doesnGÇÖt involve yards of coding that will present a potential future trip-hazard for later game changes will ultimately result in everyone on grid getting on every killmail, which kinda negates half the point of killmails in the first place. I agree that Logi pilots deserve accolades and recognition from their organisations, and good organisations should be finding ways to recognise the contributions of their Logi pilots, scouts, cynos, boosters, and all the non-line DPS pilots. But killmails just doesnGÇÖt work as an easy way to do this.
Shederov Blood 777	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:48:00 - [30] - Quote If logistics pilots who didn't actually attack the enemy ship feel they deserve some credit for the kill, I believe there are other people who also shouldn't be left out: - Off-grid boosters - Manufacturers who built the ships that were used to kill other ships - Miners who mined the minerals used to build the ships that killed other ships



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