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Jacob Stov
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Posted - 2011.11.11 17:05:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:
OP is definitely trolling, but the raven is most certainly NOT a useless ship, nor are torps as a weapon system useless. Small missiles and cruises could use a look at though, HAMs are ok IMO, but I wouldn't whine if they got a slight buff.
Well, you can turn Ravens into Golems... which brings me to one of the few ships that actually works with torps. Otherwise torps are okish as secondary weapon system on bombers.
Feel free to share this useful Raven fitting you found. People used to mock me for flying Drakes in PvP. Sooo, maybe I missed a good fitting in an underrated ship ?! 
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
161
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Posted - 2011.11.11 17:54:00 -
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fully agree with OP. the Drake is just stupid and ridiculous, and the Tengu needs some serious nerfs. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
87
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Posted - 2011.11.11 18:02:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Trader Jjenna wrote: Eve online is still Caldari online.
The Drake is the most ubiquitous ship in the game being the best pvp and pve BC. Requiring little skills to fly properly it excels in both roles. Agreed. CCP said a year ago (and here we are still waiting) that it was probably going to nerf heavy missile range or something to try to force more choices to be made in low slots and rigs to shake up the cookie cutter of BCUs or SPRs in lows and extender or purger rigs in rig slots. It sounded like the idea was to force a choice of tank or gank and not leave the Drake as it is now the only BC that can sport both at the same time (at least in the tank, and the gank being less than BS but sufficient).
That were some qualifiers to their post(s) around that time, people complaining about how the whole game was Drakes Online, with CCP saying they didn't like to step-in on balance issues too early and stifle any possible metagame shifts. Then people remembered the BSes rip Drakes apart and thousands of dead Drakes later, the only people complaining about how Drakes are OP are people who are awful at this game.
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Cerlin
Imperium Technologies
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 18:33:00 -
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I love the contrast of these forums. For ever post saying buff something there is an equally strong whine post.
As a Caldari PVP Pilot (Who also flies Minmatar and Gallente) I do not feel they are overpowered. Have you ever tried to chase down a nano-minmatar fleet lately? IF anything the serious lack of viability in half of Caldari chassis is a disadvantage (read; all railgun designed ships.) And while people say the coming hybrid fix will be the solution I cannot believe that until I see proof. Caldari on the whole are widely used (Because of the PVE application of missiles) but they are not considered OP by any serious PVP'ers I know. The only case where I have seen them do awesome is in small scale drake fleets with an off grid loki for speed/web/shield buffs, but that is more of the case that off grid buffs are superpowered and not the fact the drake is such an awesome chassis.
While I do lose twice as many Hurricanes as I do Drakes, I feel they are both awesome ships. However I think that all of the Tier 2 battlecruisers are good ships and a lot depends on situation and the pilots, not "OMG THE DRAKE IS OP!!!!"
I also enjoy the fact people are complaining that the Caldari actually receive a single viable weapon system (Heavy missiles) and because they do it should be nerfed. Lets not look at the fact that the WHOLE line of Autocannons/Arty is powerful and the same goes for Lasers as well. If anything I support buffing subpar weapon systems such as blasters (and fixing gallente subcaps) instead of applying the nerf bat. Since this fix is finally coming it will be good to see how all the weapon systems balance. |
Gasm
Colossus Enterprises
9
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Posted - 2011.11.11 19:33:00 -
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The Jersey Shore wrote:I There really is not good bc counter to a drake fleet.
that's just plain not true. pure false.
welpcanes are an obvious, well used counter to drakes.
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Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.11 21:10:00 -
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"Caldari have always been the PVE kings due to missiles. Right or wrong? Up to CCP. They've had their moments being top-dog at PVP as well (on the old missile system)."
I'm guessing you don't mean the *actual* old missile system where you only fired a missile if you a) had disposable income and/or time (since they were built in batches of 1 for about the current mineral cost IIRC), b) had a VERY CLEAR path to the target (as they blew up when they hit inconvenient things such as "asteroids" and "stargates"), and finally c) were NOWHERE NEAR anything remotely friendly (so you didn't blow up your friends' drones, your friends, or yourself if you made the mistake of launching a missile just about anywhere in hi-sec).
As for the OP... 2/10 simply because the tengu is damn good, but it isn't like the loki and such aren't also damn good (and 3 point penalty for having to use follow-on trolling to attempt whining about diluted ECM) |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
65
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:58:00 -
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Posting to confirm that Caldari is the best PvP race and no one should train for minmatar anymore
ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
Flenz
Rancorous Research
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 23:00:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Posting to confirm that Caldari is the best PvP race and no one should train for minmatar anymore
BECAUSE OF FALCON |
BearJews
The Activity
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 23:22:00 -
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So much wine, i'm craving cheese. |
Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
30
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Posted - 2011.11.13 01:30:00 -
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Sorry, but I don't believe it.
I PvE with Caldari.
I PvP with Gallente and Matar.
When I put the pack of toilet paper and-áa couple of-átwo liters-áof soda on the checkout counter, the cashier looked at me funny.-á I shrugged and told her I get thirsty sometimes when I poop. |
Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.11.13 04:59:00 -
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Two old jokes come to mind:
Quote:Caldari
PvP
Solo
Pick two.
Caldari PvP isn't bad they have some great options but its also important to note, Minmatar/Amarr/Gallente can do it so much better in all but ewar, especially when solo or in small gangs.
Quote:EvE has 5 difficulty settings: Insane, Hard, Medium, Easy and Caldari
It's easy to see why the Caldari ships are so good. Missiles offer awesome damage projection while shield tanking has both a passive and active option, with the general 5% resist bonus greatly benefiting both styles, both these things lends itself well to PvE.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
88
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:41:00 -
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Cunane Jeran wrote:Two old jokes come to mind: Quote:Caldari
PvP
Solo
Pick two. Caldari PvP isn't bad they have some great options but its also important to note, Minmatar/Amarr/Gallente can do it so much better in all but ewar, especially when solo or in small gangs.
Judging by the amount of tear-filled posts regarding nanodrakes and 100MN AB Tengus, I'd say that joke has passed it's Use-By date. |
Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:49:00 -
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Cunane Jeran wrote:Two old jokes come to mind: Quote:Caldari
PvP
Solo
Pick two.
PVP, Solo.
Okay. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest
BricK sQuAD.
5
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Posted - 2011.11.13 08:10:00 -
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Caldari is okay for solo pvp, the idea that you can't or that it's vastly inferior is kinda outdated. |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
13
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Posted - 2011.11.13 13:09:00 -
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I really can't tell if the OP is a troll or really is just that stupid.
With the exception of ewar, Drake and Tengu (yay, they have a slightly better billion isk ship than the others, how wonderful) Caldari is totally overshadowed by Amarr and Winmatar. |
Derth Ramir
Hellion Evolution
5
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Posted - 2011.11.14 01:32:00 -
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adapt or die stop ******* complaining on the forums you little pieces of **** that someone found a way to make ****** missles work against you. Man up the drake puts out terrible dps and its range projection can easily be negated with a few sensor damps. Same goes for the tengu. |
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:13:00 -
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Derth Ramir wrote:adapt or die stop ******* complaining on the forums you little pieces of **** that someone found a way to make ****** missles work against you. Man up the drake puts out terrible dps and its range projection can easily be negated with a few sensor damps. Same goes for the tengu.
To be fair, that is to some extent similar to the old 'I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you" between you and whoever's closest to them if they're using HMLs rather than HAMs (and who came up with the idea of killing things with unguided space-pig anyway?). Although, to continue being fair, whoever's closest should also be the hardest to kill off without a bunch of web/painter support so yeah, just damp it to hell and quit yer bitchin' |
Maroxus
Strategic Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:57:00 -
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Trader Jjenna wrote:Goose99 wrote:What were you saying about Winmatar online?  You're right, because everyone is always exclaiming, "because of Huginn!" Or not. The only area I can see where matar beats Caldari is in Hacs because Eagle is pretty fail but Muninn is alright. But how many Muninn sniper fleets does anyone make anymore versus pure Drake fleets?
Raven vs any minmatar BS ... lol
Moa and Caracal vs Rupture and Stabber.
Cormorant vs Thrasher.
Flycatcher vs Sabre.
Merlin vs Rifter.
Nighthawk vs Sleipnir.
Basilisk vs Scimitar.
Ferox vs Cyclone.
Vulture vs Claymore.
Cerberus vs Vagabond.
Which of either match gets used most often? Caldari either gets hybrids (lolrail), missiles, or ECM.
Heavy Missiles and ECM is where we shine, the rest is usually ignored ...
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
16
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:06:00 -
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Maroxus wrote:
Heavy Missiles, rocket and ECM is where we shine, the rest is ignored ...
FIX'D
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Hannibal Ord
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
45
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:56:00 -
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Goodgodyourface wrote:Cunane Jeran wrote:Two old jokes come to mind: Quote:Caldari
PvP
Solo
Pick two. PVP, Solo. Okay.
For gods sake the Original joke was:-
Caldari
PvP
Solo
Victory
Pick two.
You bunch of monkeys! |
Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:57:00 -
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Hannibal Ord wrote:Goodgodyourface wrote:Cunane Jeran wrote:Two old jokes come to mind: Quote:Caldari
PvP
Solo
Pick two. PVP, Solo. Okay. For gods sake the Original joke was:- Caldari PvP Solo Victory Pick two. You bunch of monkeys!
PVP
Victory
So is this a riddle? It's impossible to be victorious in PVP? |
Maroxus
Strategic Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:00:00 -
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Goodgodyourface wrote:Hannibal Ord wrote:
For gods sake the Original joke was:-
Caldari
PvP
Solo
Victory
Pick two.
You bunch of monkeys!
PVP Victory So is this a riddle? It's impossible to be victorious in PVP?
I thought the original had Pick three. A joke on Caldari solo pvp .. |
Hannibal Ord
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
45
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:03:00 -
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Maroxus wrote:Goodgodyourface wrote:Hannibal Ord wrote:
For gods sake the Original joke was:-
Caldari
PvP
Solo
Victory
Pick two.
You bunch of monkeys!
PVP Victory So is this a riddle? It's impossible to be victorious in PVP? I thought the original had Pick three. A joke on Caldari solo pvp ..
Damm that is right. All this trolling about Caldari being op has fried my brain. |
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
13
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:49:00 -
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Yes caldari is op....
they hav the best caps since its well known shield tank caps and supers are vastly superior to armor ones. I mean they jsut fit so nice and easy. And that crystal bonus jsut makes them so op to a slaved one. Oh wait....crystals don't work on caps/supers.
Many a fleet has said 100 pests, 75 baddons and oh crap we are doomed, they have 5 rokhs.
They have a good bc, when in numbers. You put 100 canes on the field they will tear crap up. Put 100 harbs, same thing. Drake solo is not that great imo. Hell unless stuff changed that much (been awaya year form 0.0).....solo drake usually means bait or is just a marathon fight. You speed tank them to not get hit by missiles as hard, you chip away at their tank forvever. Now if lucky they are actually solo to see this out. If unlucky, yes they are bait.
dictors.....yes I fear flycatcher (well fear I'll will have to fly it it when market is out of sabres). sabres bow down to bulletcatchers greatness. I mean even that flycatchers one low slot is so damn op....I think it should be pulled so it has no low slots at all. didn't want that co-proc anyway since most of the time thats what the low slot is.
Frigates....rocket buff was nice to caldari. Still is a web required ship. Winmatar with skill/te/rigs/tit s ur du or drop down to 150's or even 125's and looky here....Its got tracking back and do not have to fit a web if pilot so chooses. |
Korg Tronix
Heretic Army
7
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:28:00 -
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Nezumiiro Noneko wrote:
Frigates....rocket buff was nice to caldari. Still is a web required ship. Winmatar with skill/te/rigs/tit s ur du or drop down to 150's or even 125's and looky here....Its got tracking back and do not have to fit a web if pilot so chooses.
Although the rest of your post was mostly incorrect, this sealed it for me. Rockets are quite possibly one of the best frigate weapons after blasters. A Hawk is easily competitive with either Minnie AF and in its armor fit owns both. The Hookbill is a brilliant combat frigate and tears Minnie frigs a new one. Admittedly the crow is ****.....the Merlin is great though.
As for Drakes not being good solo, there are plenty of Drake fits that are better or as good as any BC solo.
Edit. Had to add something about the Flycatcher, whilst it isnt as great as the Sabre. It drops bubbles just as well and when fit for it also tears frigates a new one. Does it do those jobs as well as the Sabre....no but that is less to do with the Flycatcher being bad than the Sabre being so much better than all the DICs. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest
BricK sQuAD.
5
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Posted - 2011.11.15 03:02:00 -
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The caldari frigates are actually pretty good.
Harpy (esp. dualweb) is a nice dogfighter, the hawk is good, the merlin goes alongside the rifter and tristan as the best t1 frigate and the hookbill is really nice, too. Crow and raptor suck, yeah, but their other frigates are fine. |
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
13
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Posted - 2011.11.15 03:33:00 -
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Didn' say they were bad...they can be good. Its just they have some downsides. One is range. rocket boats jumps the target th right way and yes I would put money on them. But if the caldari boat fiais to control range of combat (like against known kiters) it can get ugly. I liked what the rocekt buff did tbh. I just like minny flexibility with barrage and such more. And well crow does suck ass but even guy above admits that. hated flying it. voice comms sucked....hey you try not to die so fast...oh wait you are in a crow, nvm...:( Now manticore I do like as fave SB. CCP was very nice to us here. Love the mid slot layout. But I pack on stuff like ecm or damps and such for a well lets try not to die so fast ploy Here I differ form most...they like hounds and such. guess that shows I am not a caldari hater (actually started caldari, jsut a x-trained to minmatar).
Flycathcer I don't like for lack of a second low. Others get it to run a nano or ODII. Dictors are pretty much screed in life....every m/s counts to get a good spread if double bubled or to not die in your own bubble if lucky. In my view anyway. Also fits like ass imo. Even single bubble I'll pick sbre since it gets more dps'y guns. Not blobbing the gate with 20 peeps. even the dictors need to pack some heat to drop stuff quicker.
Drake....if target is speed and sig tanking its just a drawn out affair. You might get some damage spikes when they spank mwd, about it. Beyond that its salvo after salvo of crappish dps against fast movjng targets with low sigs. At least with guns if you fly well, take away the targets traversal once in a while you get damage spikes more consistently. Better your rof, more you get your shots in when this happens. Why i don't like drake . Others mileage may vary. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest
BricK sQuAD.
5
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:46:00 -
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Do you actually have much experience flying these ships? I mean properly not ganking two guys in a 20 man gang. Really, caldari frigates outside of interceptors are fine.
The drake is pretty much the best all around battlecruiser. I don't know how you could argue otherwise. |
David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
1
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:05:00 -
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Drakes and Tengus need a nerf |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:10:00 -
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Maroxus wrote:Trader Jjenna wrote:Goose99 wrote:What were you saying about Winmatar online? You're right, because everyone is always exclaiming, "because of Huginn!" Or not. The only area I can see where matar beats Caldari is in Hacs because Eagle is pretty fail but Muninn is alright. But how many Muninn sniper fleets does anyone make anymore versus pure Drake fleets? Raven vs any minmatar BS ... lol Moa and Caracal vs Rupture and Stabber. Cormorant vs Thrasher. Flycatcher vs Sabre. Merlin vs Rifter. Nighthawk vs Sleipnir. Basilisk vs Scimitar. Ferox vs Cyclone. Vulture vs Claymore. Cerberus vs Vagabond. Which of either match gets used most often? Caldari either gets hybrids (lolrail), missiles, or ECM. Heavy Missiles and ECM is where we shine, the rest is usually ignored ...
Caldari = drake, silly. Since drake is so vastly superior to cane. Oh wait... |
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