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Trader Jjenna Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 05:33:00 - [1] - Quote Eve online is still Caldari online. The Drake is the most ubiquitous ship in the game being the best pvp and pve BC. Requiring little skills to fly properly it excels in both roles. On the higher level of eve we have the T3s and the best T3 for both PvP (whether it be 100mn AB or otherwise) and pve is the Tengu. So now with the tier 3 BCs they make the Naga. Complete choice of either hybrid or torps for a all 8 slots with full bonuses for each. Funny how it is more versatile than the Typhoon which CCP "generously" gave 5 slots of each (after years of asking for some love)- but a split bonus. The Naga also gets one more slot than any other racial tier 3 BC. Why this obvious bias?
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 147	Posted - 2011.11.11 05:39:00 - [2] - Quote What were you saying about Winmatar online?
Tamiya Sarossa Hedion University Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2011.11.11 05:47:00 - [3] - Quote Hmm I've been missing all the talk about how OP the Naga is going to be. All those threads I thought were about the Tornado must have ACTUALLY been about the Naga, strange... I better get my eyesight checked.
Trader Jjenna Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 05:49:00 - [4] - Quote Goose99 wrote: What were you saying about Winmatar online? You're right, because everyone is always exclaiming, "because of Huginn!" Or not. The only area I can see where matar beats Caldari is in Hacs because Eagle is pretty fail but Muninn is alright. But how many Muninn sniper fleets does anyone make anymore versus pure Drake fleets?
The Jersey Shore Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 05:55:00 - [5] - Quote I agree. They should really nerf drakes to keep it in line with other battlecruisers. There really is not good bc counter to a drake fleet. CCP needs to stop favoring Caldari so much and equal the playing field.
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 396	Posted - 2011.11.11 05:56:00 - [6] - Quote Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer. As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better. By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates. Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such. Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted. Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game.
Aquafina Ambraelle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:05:00 - [7] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer. As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better. By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates. Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such. Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted. Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game. That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game.
Trader Jjenna Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:07:00 - [8] - Quote Aquafina Ambraelle wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer. As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better. By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates. Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such. Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted. Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game. That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game. Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes.
Goodgodyourface Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:25:00 - [9] - Quote Trader Jjenna wrote: Aquafina Ambraelle wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer. As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better. By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates. Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such. Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted. Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game. That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game. Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes. EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it. The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.
Zillam Reynardine Red Soul Black Dream 10	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:29:00 - [10] - Quote itt: every race except Gallente confirmed for OP CCP, nerf every race but Gallente; Gallente frigs should be allowed to fit doomsdays.
Aquafina Ambraelle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:32:00 - [11] - Quote Goodgodyourface wrote: Trader Jjenna wrote: Aquafina Ambraelle wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer. As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better. By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates. Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such. Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted. Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game. That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game. Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes. EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it. The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend. Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.
Freighter Jjoe Alternative Solutions 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:40:00 - [12] - Quote Basically, until you get to Supercaps, Caldari is hands down the Eve winner. Outside of Supercaps the only other class that arguably Caldari does not win is Hacs as someone mentioned above. But since the nano-nerf, Hac use is almost dead anyway.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:40:00 - [13] - Quote bah...typed a big response and forcot to copy... forum ate it Minmatar is at worst an equal to caldari, when you look at both races in general, not just in one aspect of PVP or PVE. Amarr are comparatively lackluster, and Gallente mostly just suck, apart from the drone boats.
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 396	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:41:00 - [14] - Quote Aquafina Ambraelle wrote: EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it. The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend. Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated. [/quote] Wow.... The Rapier is on Par with the Falcon and Rook as it allows Battleship DPS to be put on small targets and stops nanoships in there tracks. As for the Golem the Vargur is a muuuuuch better Marauder. Outside of ECM, some Frigates and Heavy Missiles Caldari is a wet noodle...
Goodgodyourface Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.11.11 06:55:00 - [15] - Quote Aquafina Ambraelle wrote: Goodgodyourface wrote: Trader Jjenna wrote: Aquafina Ambraelle wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer. As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better. By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates. Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such. Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted. Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game. That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game. Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes. EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it. The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend. Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated. Really? Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not allowed to debate it"? Any ship could be fitted with Ewar and permajam you. Caldari just happen to be exceedingly good at it, because they need to make up for the fact that missiles are useless in anything other than PVE and short-range PVP and, for now, hybrids are lol. It would be kind of like bitching that Stilettos need to be nerfed because they can run in circles around you while keeping you scrammed and webbed. Don't like being jammed, fit some ECCM. Have someone (or some ones) in the DPS part of your fleet use ECCM, the enemy thinks they have you locked down and then all of a sudden you lock up the EWar boats and pop them. Easy solution.
Freighter Jjoe Alternative Solutions 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 07:00:00 - [16] - Quote The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.[/quote] Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated. [/quote] Really? Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not allowed to debate it"? Any ship could be fitted with Ewar and permajam you. Caldari just happen to be exceedingly good at it, because they need to make up for the fact that missiles are useless in anything other than PVE and short-range PVP and, for now, hybrids are lol. It would be kind of like bitching that Stilettos need to be nerfed because they can run in circles around you while keeping you scrammed and webbed. Don't like being jammed, fit some ECCM. Have someone (or some ones) in the DPS part of your fleet use ECCM, the enemy thinks they have you locked down and then all of a sudden you lock up the EWar boats and pop them. Easy solution.[/quote] Wow. Have you ever flown in a fleet battle? Since when are 80km Drakes short range? ECM has no effective counter UNLESS you fit specifically for it. Somehow that is balanced? Fit a module or get permajammed? Astounding logic.
Aquafina Ambraelle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.11.11 07:08:00 - [17] - Quote ]Really? Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not allowed to debate it"? Any ship could be fitted with Ewar and permajam you. Caldari just happen to be exceedingly good at it, because they need to make up for the fact that missiles are useless in anything other than PVE and short-range PVP and, for now, hybrids are lol. It would be kind of like bitching that Stilettos need to be nerfed because they can run in circles around you while keeping you scrammed and webbed. Don't like being jammed, fit some ECCM. Have someone (or some ones) in the DPS part of your fleet use ECCM, the enemy thinks they have you locked down and then all of a sudden you lock up the EWar boats and pop them. Easy solution. Only eccm requires a specif mod (ECCM) to counter it. And ECCM mods only have the benefit of countering ECM. Tracking disruptors don't take an entire ship out of the fight. And if you fit a tracking computer, it has a benefit on its own outside of countering tracking disruptors. How to counter senseor dampners? Move in closer. You don't need to fit a mod for that. Caldari ECM is so fracking overpowered, I laugh at your horribly pathetic attempt to cling to your IWIN advantage button.
Shivus Tao Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 36	Posted - 2011.11.11 07:34:00 - [18] - Quote Was going to reply, but this is clearly an alt troll. No one can possibly be that dense or that bad at trolling. Your statement about the naga somehow being good gave it away.
Goodgodyourface Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.11.11 07:40:00 - [19] - Quote Freighter Jjoe wrote: Quote: The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend. Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated. Really? Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not allowed to debate it"? Any ship could be fitted with Ewar and permajam you. Caldari just happen to be exceedingly good at it, because they need to make up for the fact that missiles are useless in anything other than PVE and short-range PVP and, for now, hybrids are lol. It would be kind of like bitching that Stilettos need to be nerfed because they can run in circles around you while keeping you scrammed and webbed. Don't like being jammed, fit some ECCM. Have someone (or some ones) in the DPS part of your fleet use ECCM, the enemy thinks they have you locked down and then all of a sudden you lock up the EWar boats and pop them. Easy solution.[/quote] Wow. Have you ever flown in a fleet battle? Since when are 80km Drakes short range? ECM has no effective counter UNLESS you fit specifically for it. Somehow that is balanced? Fit a module or get permajammed? Astounding logic. [/quote] Then fly your own jammers, or put up with the ECCM, or stop whining about the jamming. Is it 'fair' for the defenders? No. But neither was the U.S. stomping all over Iraq during the two Iraq conflicts. That Caldari is the best at it is irrelevant. That's their thing. If the Caldari weren't the best Ewars, then you'd be whining about Recons/EAFs of all races. If there weren't Recons/EAFs, then you'd *** about jamming modules in general. It's a tactic of the game, ***** deal with it. I say again, it's like whining about a tackler because he can gank you with impunity -- it's the facts of it. Fit neuts or vamps, or have more people on the field, and the problem is solved. Have more people on the field than their ECMs can target, and have all your units (including friendly ECMs) primary their EWar boats. I swear to god, people just enjoy bitching about anything and everything. "NERF PROJECTILES, TOO POWERFUL COMPARED TO OTHER WEAPONS!" "NERF ECM, IT'S TOO EFFECTIVE!" "NERF TANKING, IT'S UNFAIR I CAN'T INSTANT POP ANYTHING!" "NERF LOGIS, IT'S UNFAIR THEY CAN RR!" Adapt and deal with it. I've never flown Ewar, but seeing how delicious the tears are from it, I might take it up.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 58	Posted - 2011.11.11 11:39:00 - [20] - Quote not to forget the kestrel. almost everybody doing cynos with kestrels - nerf caldari!! (training my cynos toward noobships right now)
Arrowyx Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.11.11 11:55:00 - [21] - Quote Trader Jjenna wrote: Eve online is still Caldari online. The Drake is the most ubiquitous ship in the game being the best pvp and pve BC. Requiring little skills to fly properly it excels in both roles. On the higher level of eve we have the T3s and the best T3 for both PvP (whether it be 100mn AB or otherwise) and pve is the Tengu. Drake and Tengu are really the only Caldari ships worth a damn outside of the e-war line because heavy missiles are the only Caldari weapon system that isn't garbage, hence they are used lots. Tell me when the last time you saw a Raven or Rokh in pvp? Or even a Ferox? Compare this to, say, Minmatar, and you see useful ships in virtually every class. Not to mention the fact that projectiles are far and away the most versatile weapon system with a large range of engagement AND Minmatar ships are the fastest which gives them the advantage in dictating combat range. Quote: So now with the tier 3 BCs they make the Naga. Complete choice of either hybrid or torps for a all 8 slots with full bonuses for each. Funny how it is more versatile than the Typhoon which CCP "generously" gave 5 slots of each (after years of asking for some love)- but a split bonus. The Naga also gets one more slot than any other racial tier 3 BC. Why this obvious bias? The Naga might as well not even exist. Torpedoes don't do even do full damage to half of the battleships when they are sitting still, let alone moving. Hybrids are better but still not in good shape. Add to this the fact that Naga has to sacrifice its already paper-thin tank to fit tackle mods and is the slowest of the new BC's. P.S. The alt post train is pretty obvious.
Desudes Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2011.11.11 13:40:00 - [22] - Quote Wonder does wonder why resist modules have stacking penalties but things like shield power relays, trimarks, etc, don't. Bring back active tanks! Nerf passive junk! Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*
Buzzmong Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2011.11.11 13:44:00 - [23] - Quote Caldari have always been the PVE kings due to missiles. Right or wrong? Up to CCP. They've had their moments being top-dog at PVP as well (on the old missile system). With regards to missile PVE, the main drawback of Caldari & missiles which is the delay in applying damage is pretty unimportant when the plus points of no-tracking, long range consistant damage projection and no cap use are taken into account. What I'd like to see is missile speed increased while flight times (range) decreased. Might help make more Caldari missile boats outside of the Drake/Tengu used a bit more in PVP while making Caldari PVE'er work a little bit harder but getting faster applied damge (and probably slightly improved completion times). Having to move around in PvE would make Caldari a bit more interesting to fly as well, I started training and using missiles, but as I found it even more boring than using drones I stopped and refocused on Amarr and Lasers.
Soporo Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2011.11.11 15:15:00 - [24] - Quote Quote: Drake and Tengu are really the only Caldari ships worth a damn outside of the e-war line because heavy missiles are the only Caldari weapon system that isn't garbage, hence they are used lots. Tell me when the last time you saw a Raven or Rokh in pvp? Or even a Ferox? Compare this to, say, Minmatar, and you see useful ships in virtually every class. Not to mention the fact that projectiles are far and away the most versatile weapon system with a large range of engagement AND Minmatar ships are the fastest which gives them the advantage in dictating combat range. This is quoted for absolute truth. Op is obviously trolling. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken
Cambarus Clearly Compensating 27	Posted - 2011.11.11 15:42:00 - [25] - Quote Soporo wrote: Quote: Drake and Tengu are really the only Caldari ships worth a damn outside of the e-war line because heavy missiles are the only Caldari weapon system that isn't garbage, hence they are used lots. Tell me when the last time you saw a Raven or Rokh in pvp? Or even a Ferox? Compare this to, say, Minmatar, and you see useful ships in virtually every class. Not to mention the fact that projectiles are far and away the most versatile weapon system with a large range of engagement AND Minmatar ships are the fastest which gives them the advantage in dictating combat range. This is quoted for absolute truth. Op is obviously trolling. OP is definitely trolling, but the raven is most certainly NOT a useless ship, nor are torps as a weapon system useless. Small missiles and cruises could use a look at though, HAMs are ok IMO, but I wouldn't whine if they got a slight buff.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 148	Posted - 2011.11.11 15:49:00 - [26] - Quote Cambarus wrote: Soporo wrote: Quote: Drake and Tengu are really the only Caldari ships worth a damn outside of the e-war line because heavy missiles are the only Caldari weapon system that isn't garbage, hence they are used lots. Tell me when the last time you saw a Raven or Rokh in pvp? Or even a Ferox? Compare this to, say, Minmatar, and you see useful ships in virtually every class. Not to mention the fact that projectiles are far and away the most versatile weapon system with a large range of engagement AND Minmatar ships are the fastest which gives them the advantage in dictating combat range. This is quoted for absolute truth. Op is obviously trolling. OP is definitely trolling, but the raven is most certainly NOT a useless ship, nor are torps as a weapon system useless. Small missiles and cruises could use a look at though, HAMs are ok IMO, but I wouldn't whine if they got a slight buff. Yeah, in pve...
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 402	Posted - 2011.11.11 16:28:00 - [27] - Quote Cambarus wrote: cruises I don't think they are as big an issue as people make them out to be. I believe why they are considered bad is because the platforms you fit them on are bad. The Raven has 6 Missile Slots + RoF Bonus and sits at 120k EHP. The Typhoon has 5 Missile Slot and Sentries stop movement / Heavies are too slow for large battles where Cruise Range would be useful. The Abbadon has 8 Turret Slots + Dmg Bonus + Fleet Ranges with short range Guns and sits at 160k EHP. The Maelstrom sits at 130k and has a 10k Alpha. Which one's would you chose to build a fleet around. I mean would you fly an Amarr Battleship with 6 Lasers and one 5% DPS Bonus and average tank? Current Missile Fleets are too fast to accommodate the Raven while Missiles fall short in Gun Gangs whose Battleships are superior. Cruises are not terrible but there is no ship to support them.
Soporo Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2011.11.11 16:52:00 - [28] - Quote Quote: OP is definitely trolling, but the raven is most certainly NOT a useless ship, nor are torps as a weapon system useless. Small missiles and cruises could use a look at though, HAMs are ok IMO, but I wouldn't whine if they got a slight buff. I feel ya, but my point always is: Torps (since the speed/missile nerf) require far more mods + rigs + ship bonuses to engage pvp BS and especially BC sized targets than any other BS sized weapon system. That ends up being way more tackle/tank/propulsion mod space + non insta damage, which ends up being, meh, bring something else. Look at the Golem, see the huge number of bonuses needed to make a good PVE weapon out of torps, and you still lose two or 3 slots to painers, not to mention rigs, and that's for slow, mindless PVE npcs. Even stealth bombers has the huge bonuses required. Cruise. Cruise need to be inherently much faster, do more damage and/or get a moderate expl velocity and radius buff, at least. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken
Lili Lu 22	Posted - 2011.11.11 16:53:00 - [29] - Quote Trader Jjenna wrote: Eve online is still Caldari online. The Drake is the most ubiquitous ship in the game being the best pvp and pve BC. Requiring little skills to fly properly it excels in both roles. Agreed. CCP said a year ago (and here we are still waiting) that it was probably going to nerf heavy missile range or something to try to force more choices to be made in low slots and rigs to shake up the cookie cutter of BCUs or SPRs in lows and extender or purger rigs in rig slots. It sounded like the idea was to force a choice of tank or gank and not leave the Drake as it is now the only BC that can sport both at the same time (at least in the tank, and the gank being less than BS but sufficient). Trader Jjenna wrote: On the higher level of eve we have the T3s and the best T3 for both PvP (whether it be 100mn AB or otherwise) and pve is the Tengu. Agreed as well. And here a heavy missile range nerf would bring the Tengu closer to the other Tech IIIs. Trader Jjenna wrote: So now with the tier 3 BCs they make the Naga. Complete choice of either hybrid or torps for a all 8 slots with full bonuses for each. Funny how it is more versatile than the Typhoon which CCP "generously" gave 5 slots of each (after years of asking for some love)- but a split bonus. The Naga also gets one more slot than any other racial tier 3 BC. Now here is where you appear to be trolling. I hate the idea of all these ships, so I have had no interest to test them on the test server. I hope they all come prenerfed and we don't see them much. However, by all accounts the Naga is the runt of the litter. Trader Jjenna wrote: Why this obvious bias? You should meet another forum alt troll name of Naomi Knight. You see she percieves this game as Minmatar online and the poor Caldari as the downtroden race. She has in the past railed (heh) against the Amarr, and now enjoys some Gallente companionship in her rage against the power that is (CCP). Suffice to say that both of you are two different denominations of the same currency. That being a currency in which most players do not wish to trade. About the best we could rate the racial balance at this point is as someone stated above. Caldari and Minmatar pretty much on top atm, Amarr having some decent options, and Gallente bringing up the rear but still having some ships worth flying (drone ships and capitals/supercaps).
Soporo Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2011.11.11 17:01:00 - [30] - Quote Winmatard, Amarr, tthen Cald/Gallente depending on class, imo. You talk HACS or BS and Cald go to the bottom, maybe AF's too (lolHawk). Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken

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