What were you saying about Winmatar online?

Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer.

As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better.

By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates.

Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such.

Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted.

Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game.

That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game.

Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes.

EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it.

The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.

EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it.

The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.

Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.

Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.

Eve online is still Caldari online.

The Drake is the most ubiquitous ship in the game being the best pvp and pve BC. Requiring little skills to fly properly it excels in both roles.

On the higher level of eve we have the T3s and the best T3 for both PvP (whether it be 100mn AB or otherwise) and pve is the Tengu.

So now with the tier 3 BCs they make the Naga. Complete choice of either hybrid or torps for a all 8 slots with full bonuses for each. Funny how it is more versatile than the Typhoon which CCP "generously" gave 5 slots of each (after years of asking for some love)- but a split bonus. The Naga also gets one more slot than any other racial tier 3 BC.


Why this obvious bias?

Drake and Tengu are really the only Caldari ships worth a damn outside of the e-war line because heavy missiles are the only Caldari weapon system that isn't garbage, hence they are used lots.

Tell me when the last time you saw a Raven or Rokh in pvp? Or even a Ferox? Compare this to, say, Minmatar, and you see useful ships in virtually every class. Not to mention the fact that projectiles are far and away the most versatile weapon system with a large range of engagement AND Minmatar ships are the fastest which gives them the advantage in dictating combat range.

This is quoted for absolute truth.

Op is obviously trolling.

OP is definitely trolling, but the raven is most certainly NOT a useless ship, nor are torps as a weapon system useless. Small missiles and cruises could use a look at though, HAMs are ok IMO, but I wouldn't whine if they got a slight buff.

cruises

OP is definitely trolling, but the raven is most certainly NOT a useless ship, nor are torps as a weapon system useless. Small missiles and cruises could use a look at though, HAMs are ok IMO, but I wouldn't whine if they got a slight buff.

Eve online is still Caldari online.

The Drake is the most ubiquitous ship in the game being the best pvp and pve BC. Requiring little skills to fly properly it excels in both roles.

On the higher level of eve we have the T3s and the best T3 for both PvP (whether it be 100mn AB or otherwise) and pve is the Tengu.

So now with the tier 3 BCs they make the Naga. Complete choice of either hybrid or torps for a all 8 slots with full bonuses for each. Funny how it is more versatile than the Typhoon which CCP "generously" gave 5 slots of each (after years of asking for some love)- but a split bonus. The Naga also gets one more slot than any other racial tier 3 BC.

Why this obvious bias?

OP is definitely trolling, but the raven is most certainly NOT a useless ship, nor are torps as a weapon system useless. Small missiles and cruises could use a look at though, HAMs are ok IMO, but I wouldn't whine if they got a slight buff.

Agreed. CCP said a year ago (and here we are still waiting) that it was probably going to nerf heavy missile range or something to try to force more choices to be made in low slots and rigs to shake up the cookie cutter of BCUs or SPRs in lows and extender or purger rigs in rig slots. It sounded like the idea was to force a choice of tank or gank and not leave the Drake as it is now the only BC that can sport both at the same time (at least in the tank, and the gank being less than BS but sufficient).

I There really is not good bc counter to a drake fleet.

Posting to confirm that Caldari is the best PvP race and no one should train for minmatar anymore

Caldari
PvP
Solo

Pick two.

EvE has 5 difficulty settings: Insane, Hard, Medium, Easy and Caldari

Two old jokes come to mind:



Caldari PvP isn't bad they have some great options but its also important to note, Minmatar/Amarr/Gallente can do it so much better in all but ewar, especially when solo or in small gangs.

Two old jokes come to mind:

adapt or die stop ******* complaining on the forums you little pieces of **** that someone found a way to make ****** missles work against you. Man up the drake puts out terrible dps and its range projection can easily be negated with a few sensor damps. Same goes for the tengu.

You're right, because everyone is always exclaiming, "because of Huginn!"

Or not.

The only area I can see where matar beats Caldari is in Hacs because Eagle is pretty fail but Muninn is alright. But how many Muninn sniper fleets does anyone make anymore versus pure Drake fleets?

Heavy Missiles, rocket and ECM is where we shine, the rest is ignored ...

PVP, Solo.

Okay.

For gods sake the Original joke was:-

Caldari
PvP
Solo
Victory

Pick two.

You bunch of monkeys!

PVP
Victory

So is this a riddle? It's impossible to be victorious in PVP?

I thought the original had Pick three. A joke on Caldari solo pvp ..

Frigates....rocket buff was nice to caldari. Still is a web required ship. Winmatar with skill/te/rigs/tit s ur du or drop down to 150's or even 125's and looky here....Its got tracking back and do not have to fit a web if pilot so chooses.

Raven vs any minmatar BS ... lol

Moa and Caracal vs Rupture and Stabber.
Cormorant vs Thrasher.
Flycatcher vs Sabre.
Merlin vs Rifter.
Nighthawk vs Sleipnir.
Basilisk vs Scimitar.
Ferox vs Cyclone.
Vulture vs Claymore.
Cerberus vs Vagabond.

Which of either match gets used most often? Caldari either gets hybrids (lolrail), missiles, or ECM.

Heavy Missiles and ECM is where we shine, the rest is usually ignored ...

Do you actually have much experience flying these ships? I mean properly not ganking two guys in a 20 man gang. Really, caldari frigates outside of interceptors are fine.

The drake is pretty much the best all around battlecruiser. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.

flew drake for months while I did a grind for a rokh (guns from whatever I had day 1). . I am a case of grass is greener with instant hit damage. I just got tired of chucking missiles in the primary game. Liked instant hit rokh damage and said well screw it....lets hit minny ships and projectiles since at the time hybrid fixing was a pipe dream.



See where FC is starting called primaries. then shift down 2-4 ships. targets one 1 and 2 will be dead by the time you lock and get the missiles off. Enough gun boats in support fleet and you will never hit a primay or secondary (hic or logi an exception they last a bit fit and flown right) . this is if you actually care to follow primary calls. I did. So I'd shoot 3-4 down on the list so I had a running start for primary calls. Drake was like doing algebra....fc was saying x, you were thinking x+2 or 3 depenidng on if sebo was on and the script it had lol.

canes was target and fire and hit. I liked the change of pace. Also liked actually hitting called primaries. to each their own as always.

See where FC is starting called primaries. then shift down 2-4 ships.

Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.