Now before the flaming and tolling starts, really think about it what can this ship do better than any other ship in eve can't do in other words what do they add. now I can think of three uses for the tornado at least.

1. Blobing 1 or 2 people from a distance

2. Hit and run in a fleet battle or die

3. the obvious Suicide ganking

but all of those roles can be filled if not better at least equally by other ships

1. Blobing 1 or 2 people from a distance covet Ops but not from such a distance because you have damps

2. Hit and run in a fleet battle or die Covert Ops with bombs

3. Suicide ganking Tier one battleships considering the carebaers have been pacified with the reassurance that they will cost as much as those.

So what do they add? nothing as far as i can see because there speciality can be filled if not better, equally be other ships that are less specialized which means there specialty makes them worse if not = to other ships in eve

Constructive criticism only pleas! or agreement I can abide agreement. :P

So what do they add?

Think of all the smaller entities that will be able to take on a force that is much larger than they are with better tactics and strategy. You my not so much friend are useless tbh. WASTE OF WHITE TEXT!

Heavy fire support to cruiser/BC roams.

As I implied stealth bombers would be able to do that.

Not really, no.
Three torp launchers <<<<< Eight [whatever large weapon system you like].

They could also be used for the corps that want to take over a C1 or to POS bash in a C1. POS bashing is slow with BS guns. It's almost impossible with anything else. That's just another use for them since BS's aren't allowed in C1's.

I was under the impression these were meant to be Cap killers; power of a BS with the sig radius of a BC. Whereas a Stealth Bomber would have the upperhand in alpha damage, these could lay on consistently high damage.

you can get 640 dps because of the massive damage bonus on bomber I think its 15% per level yes you only get 3 launchers, but you get at lvl 5 75% which makes 6 launchers around about.

As far as I can tell, the Naga will be the only one limited to structures, caps and stationary BS. Assuming they go foreward with torps, unbonused torps at that.

then you have to think about tanking which im thinking that the only one that could tank the DPS is the Naga which i think is the only useful one.

GǪwhich is still much less than the Tier 3 BCs can offer (not to mention that even with their weaker tank, the BCs offer a survivability that is more in line with the rest of such a cruiser/BC gang).

So no, bombers can't provide the same support the new BCs can.

Why do you think that? If it's torps (specially unbonused ones) then your mids are needed for painters and your rig slots are needed for rigors and maybe a range rig, also: lol @ 3 low slots.

Edit: Ah, using Rails. With no tracking, rof bonus or damage bonus. This equates to suckage compared to the others methinks.

if your in an SB you have a good fit and can fly it properly if you die your flying it properly.

Why do you think that? If it's torps (specially unbonused ones) then your mids are needed for painters and your rig slots are needed for rigors and maybe a range rig, also: lol @ 3 low slots.

Edit: Ah, using Rails. With no tracking, rof bonus or damage bonus. This equates to suckage compared to the others methinks.

GǪwhich doesn't change the fact that, no, SBs can't provide the same heavy fire support (or a tank to match the capabilities of the rest of the cruiser roam) as the BCs can.

this is the last time I'm going to break this down for you In the tornado you have 20 ish k EHP the others are around about the same apart from the naga now the problem with the naga is it can only use torps and only gets a 10% bonus pers level of battlecruisers for torp speed which only give you around a 30k distance now at this distance it is rather easy for people to shoot at you or burn over to you to tackle you do the rest of the fleet can kill you

now which number is higher 550 or 450?

GǪwhich still doesn't change the fact that no, SBs cannot provide the same heavy fire support (with the same tank backing it) as the Tier 3 BCs. It doesn't matter how much you try to GÇ£break it downGÇ¥ GÇö they just can't.
The ~1000 DPS a Tier 3 BC can provide. You know, since one of its uses is to provide heavy fire support to a cruiser/BC gang.

I donGÇÖt get your rational with SBGÇÖs. Fart to close to these and they pop. The new BCGÇÖs will have a far superior tank and are, frankly, not going to be considered in the roles a SB performs as an alternative and vice versa. The new BCGÇÖs will not negate BS use for some functions, but they will perform some existing ones better, or enable some that they could not do (C1 structure bashing as a prime example)

I would add an important point. You can look at every race and ship class and point out the stand-out best ship, although granted there are some grey areas. So why do we have such a variety of flown ships? Skills are a factor you cannot ignore, but some people want to fly what some would consider an inferior ship because they simply prefer it. It will be the case with these. There may have been a better tool, the SB not being it, but who cares as they wanted to use that one

Yes but to get that dps you have to stay within a limited range which enables people to easily tackle you easily the **** your day,

the stright DPS on eve means nothing you have to think about where your going to be able to survive where you can do your max dps while doing that

Easy answer:

Who cares. I like the way the Naga looks, I like that it is a new ship and I will use it to the best of its ability at what I do. If others want to use a SB or a HAC or a Recon or whatever...let them. You can't single-handedly say that an entire class of ships is useless just because you think one thing or another.

This is about the dumbest debate I've read on these forums, and trust me, I have WAY too much time on my hands.

You fly your SB, I'll fly my Naga and leave it at that...SHEESH!

Ced

this is the last time I'm going to break this down for you In the tornado you have 20 ish k EHP.

GǪand that's why you have the standard support ships in your gang: ewar, logistics, and all that goodness.

logistics wont work as well on them because they have low resists and EHP and a medium to high sig radius, Jamming yeah sure but you can be sure but people can fit and do fit ECCM or signal booster etc so it does not assure you of anything

GǪand that is why SBs can't provide the same heavy fire support that the Tier 3 BCs can: because in order to survive and do max DPS, the SBs have to stick to different situations and different tactics than the BCs (and even when they do, their max DPS is much lower). They are not a viable choice for the role.

I give up