Now before the flaming and tolling starts, really think about it what can this ship do better than any other ship in eve can't do in other words what do they add. now I can think of three uses for the tornado at least.

1. Blobing 1 or 2 people from a distance

2. Hit and run in a fleet battle or die

3. the obvious Suicide ganking

but all of those roles can be filled if not better at least equally by other ships

1. Blobing 1 or 2 people from a distance covet Ops but not from such a distance because you have damps

2. Hit and run in a fleet battle or die Covert Ops with bombs

3. Suicide ganking Tier one battleships considering the carebaers have been pacified with the reassurance that they will cost as much as those.

So what do they add? nothing as far as i can see because there speciality can be filled if not better, equally be other ships that are less specialized which means there specialty makes them worse if not = to other ships in eve

Constructive criticism only pleas! or agreement I can abide agreement. :P

So what do they add?

Think of all the smaller entities that will be able to take on a force that is much larger than they are with better tactics and strategy. You my not so much friend are useless tbh. WASTE OF WHITE TEXT!

Heavy fire support to cruiser/BC roams.

As I implied stealth bombers would be able to do that.

Not really, no.
Three torp launchers <<<<< Eight [whatever large weapon system you like].

They could also be used for the corps that want to take over a C1 or to POS bash in a C1. POS bashing is slow with BS guns. It's almost impossible with anything else. That's just another use for them since BS's aren't allowed in C1's.

I was under the impression these were meant to be Cap killers; power of a BS with the sig radius of a BC. Whereas a Stealth Bomber would have the upperhand in alpha damage, these could lay on consistently high damage.

you can get 640 dps because of the massive damage bonus on bomber I think its 15% per level yes you only get 3 launchers, but you get at lvl 5 75% which makes 6 launchers around about.

As far as I can tell, the Naga will be the only one limited to structures, caps and stationary BS. Assuming they go foreward with torps, unbonused torps at that.

then you have to think about tanking which im thinking that the only one that could tank the DPS is the Naga which i think is the only useful one.

GǪwhich is still much less than the Tier 3 BCs can offer (not to mention that even with their weaker tank, the BCs offer a survivability that is more in line with the rest of such a cruiser/BC gang).

So no, bombers can't provide the same support the new BCs can.

Why do you think that? If it's torps (specially unbonused ones) then your mids are needed for painters and your rig slots are needed for rigors and maybe a range rig, also: lol @ 3 low slots.

Edit: Ah, using Rails. With no tracking, rof bonus or damage bonus. This equates to suckage compared to the others methinks.

if your in an SB you have a good fit and can fly it properly if you die your flying it properly.

Why do you think that? If it's torps (specially unbonused ones) then your mids are needed for painters and your rig slots are needed for rigors and maybe a range rig, also: lol @ 3 low slots.

Edit: Ah, using Rails. With no tracking, rof bonus or damage bonus. This equates to suckage compared to the others methinks.

GǪwhich doesn't change the fact that, no, SBs can't provide the same heavy fire support (or a tank to match the capabilities of the rest of the cruiser roam) as the BCs can.

this is the last time I'm going to break this down for you In the tornado you have 20 ish k EHP the others are around about the same apart from the naga now the problem with the naga is it can only use torps and only gets a 10% bonus pers level of battlecruisers for torp speed which only give you around a 30k distance now at this distance it is rather easy for people to shoot at you or burn over to you to tackle you do the rest of the fleet can kill you

now which number is higher 550 or 450?

GǪwhich still doesn't change the fact that no, SBs cannot provide the same heavy fire support (with the same tank backing it) as the Tier 3 BCs. It doesn't matter how much you try to GÇ£break it downGÇ¥ GÇö they just can't.
The ~1000 DPS a Tier 3 BC can provide. You know, since one of its uses is to provide heavy fire support to a cruiser/BC gang.

I donGÇÖt get your rational with SBGÇÖs. Fart to close to these and they pop. The new BCGÇÖs will have a far superior tank and are, frankly, not going to be considered in the roles a SB performs as an alternative and vice versa. The new BCGÇÖs will not negate BS use for some functions, but they will perform some existing ones better, or enable some that they could not do (C1 structure bashing as a prime example)

I would add an important point. You can look at every race and ship class and point out the stand-out best ship, although granted there are some grey areas. So why do we have such a variety of flown ships? Skills are a factor you cannot ignore, but some people want to fly what some would consider an inferior ship because they simply prefer it. It will be the case with these. There may have been a better tool, the SB not being it, but who cares as they wanted to use that one

Yes but to get that dps you have to stay within a limited range which enables people to easily tackle you easily the **** your day,

the stright DPS on eve means nothing you have to think about where your going to be able to survive where you can do your max dps while doing that

Easy answer:

Who cares. I like the way the Naga looks, I like that it is a new ship and I will use it to the best of its ability at what I do. If others want to use a SB or a HAC or a Recon or whatever...let them. You can't single-handedly say that an entire class of ships is useless just because you think one thing or another.

This is about the dumbest debate I've read on these forums, and trust me, I have WAY too much time on my hands.

You fly your SB, I'll fly my Naga and leave it at that...SHEESH!

Ced

this is the last time I'm going to break this down for you In the tornado you have 20 ish k EHP.

GǪand that's why you have the standard support ships in your gang: ewar, logistics, and all that goodness.

logistics wont work as well on them because they have low resists and EHP and a medium to high sig radius, Jamming yeah sure but you can be sure but people can fit and do fit ECCM or signal booster etc so it does not assure you of anything

GǪand that is why SBs can't provide the same heavy fire support that the Tier 3 BCs can: because in order to survive and do max DPS, the SBs have to stick to different situations and different tactics than the BCs (and even when they do, their max DPS is much lower). They are not a viable choice for the role.

I give up

That seems like a reasonable thing to do seeing as how you haven't really explained how SBs could be used for the same role (viz. heavy fire support for roaming cruiser/BC gangs).

[quote=Tippia][quote=Etheoma]after writing as much as i have, basically for the benefit of people you don't even know, go figure it out your self i'm going to play eve.

I was going to but I really can't be asked

as i said in an SB if you die your noob and need to talk to someone about how to use an SB there have been SB fleet that have mannaged to take out 100 battle 20 or so battle cruiser etc so basically dont comment on what you have little or no understanding of.

I was going to but I really can't be asked, would you be asked after writing as much as i have, basically for the benefit of people you don't even know, go figure it out your self i'm going to play eve.

I have figured it out! The OP is heavily invested in Covert ops production and is trying to convince us to stay in the market!

But Seriously, the ulitlity of the T3 Battlecruiser platform will be like what everyone else has been saying, it is a quick strike, weak, but powerful platform that can add to the quick roaming fleets. I also think it will have some use as warped in DPS for various traps/gatecamps/fleetfights. While they cannot sit on grid as easily as battleships can, they would be mean if they were warped into the middle of your fleet and started to melt your support/Dps ships. They are also a great way for PVP alliances to leverage their lower Skillpoint players into higher damage ships, especially in supercap fights or times when one is outnumbered.

Hardly neich with some fits.
[Oracle, New Setup 2]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II

Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

still has an 8.1sec slign time and 815dps at normal engagement ranges, 649dps scorch range. W/ same EHP as a vigilant (180m sig / 1080m sig).

Hardly Neich

Putting that Deadspace mod on a Tier 3 BC? srsly? I mean hey if you can afford regular replacement then more power to you, but you might be missing out on say a T2 version of that 1600mm Plate?

Not to mention, that using Mega Pulse your obviously planning up close fighting? But using a MWD kills the Sig Radius advantage of the ship?

I call fantasy fit here.... the ships are cool, and just need a chance to be put through their paces -

I mean would it have made much difference if it was made a BS that had half the tank of other BS's, as opposed to BC class?

I found your problem, you forgot to fit a tank.

I seem to get with current stats.

Oracle 815 DPS at 15km IMF / 649 DPS at 45km Scorch with a tank of 45k EHP

Tornado 782 DPS Falloff 36 km RFPP / 622 DPS Falloff 54 km Barrage with a Tank of 50 EHP

1400mm Tornado 9356 Alpha 30+66 RFPP with a tank of 35k EHP

Must be fitting them wrong since they should be closer to 20k EHP... ish.

Not counting the Naga/Talos OC cause lol Hybrids and lol Naga's Grid.

those numbers mean nothing without a plan on how to use them for example if you go for the tornado with the 782 DPS with 36k fall off if your at the falloff range your not going to get 782 DPS your going to get 3/4 if not 1/2 that and if you get in close your enough to do near your max DPS your tank isnt actually going to be able to handle the DPS as well as the hurricane etc which in those circumstances is a better choice

I have actually thought this out fully where as you can't seem to see behind the numbers, if you can give me a decent explanation on how you would use them other than for suicide ganking i will relent.

Not really, no.
Three torp launchers <<<<< Eight [whatever large weapon system you like].

Haveing tested two of the new tier 3 Oracle and Tornado I can honestly say that saying stealth bombers can fill the same roles are complete hog wash. Like one of the post above mentioned these are going to be used as heavy support in bc and cruser gangs. Im sure there will be havy tackle in these gangs to lock down targets and let these tier 3's deal the damage at a safe distance. With BS size guns 45km is more than enough space to disengage. As far as tank goes a stealt bomber can get one volleyed vs a tier 3 can take a few volleys and still be effective. From what I have fit and used on sisi on the Oracle can put up a decent tank for the intended role and still be verry effective.

It has the same tank as a Nano Cane of course it can.

How I will fly them is small gang support forgoing tackle to maximize Gank and Tank. Oracle will be flown at Scorch ranges when possible and INM at others used as a DPS Pump for small gangs. The Nado will stick to around 20km out of Web Range or between 30-40km where Dmg is quite high. As for the Whelpnado it is pretty obvious how to use those in an Alpha Fleet.

How does exchanging tackle for Battleship DPS and Battlecruiser Tank on a Cruiser sized hull not...

Sure go fly stealth Bombers or whatever...

425mm Naga can do about 600 DPS to 60km (post-buff), Oracle around 730 DPS to 50ish KM, no clue about the Talos (looks worthless to me as it stands) and the Tornado is stupidly fast and still capable of doing decent DPS at range.

Then if you mount torps on the Naga it puts out a whopping 840 DPS while still being able to mount a buffer/TPs and even being reasonably mobile.

With the possible exception of the Talos, they all look pretty good to me.

Edit: Null Naga is another possibility but not looked into the stats on that.

but you have also got to think that for flexibilities sake the medium guns and drones would be helpful and if you try and speed tank with 425 duels your going to lose DPS over 425 singles or 220s

I'm getting bored and lazy again back tommrow or maybe in a few hours

800mm for starters and they can put more Real DPS on a Nano Cane then Barrage in 425mm's and Warriors at similar ranges. Since you are in a gang plenty of other folks will have Drones to pop Ceptors and other Frigs or force them off Grid. Overall it makes a great DPS Platform for popping Battlecruisers which are the most used class of ship currently.

As for speed these things can outrun ships like Nano Canes allowing them to Kite around enemies in gangs the same way.

only problem with that is your still using big guns with low tracking which isn't exactly perfect for speed tanking if you wanna put on a tracking enhancer what are you going to take off a damage mod lower dps there by making that argument pointless a nano well that will lower you speed a tracking computer well all those are used for tank and MWD

so no the hurricane would win because you cant fit the tracking enhancer you would need to speed tank the only way would be to downgrade to 425 duels and reduce dps and range for tracking dunno which one would be worse losing dps by the removal of a gyro or downgrading to 425 duels

well in a 1v1 yeah the torado would win but for groups but then again it would lose to a vaga a ship cant be judged by in its entity in 1v1

Well that would be right if it was not wrong.

800mm can track a hurricane just fine doing more Dmg then a Cane with Warriors can and as for speed you are literally faster then a 2x Nanocane without fitting and Nano's or overdrives.

but then you dont have agility and the cane can just keep changing directions on you faster than you can

It has the same tank as a Nano Cane of course it can.

800mm for starters and they can put more Real DPS on a Nano Cane then Barrage in 425mm's and Warriors at similar ranges.
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Overall it makes a great DPS Platform for popping Battlecruisers which are the most used class of ship currently

Yes you do have the Agility of a Cane /facepalm have you even looked at the Stats =/

The Agility is greater then a Cane, a Single Nano Cane and matches a Duel Nano Cane and does more DPS at range and Close then a Duel TE Cane Trip Gyro with Drones on ships with a BC Sized Sig.

Ummmm ? It's got an extra med slot, true, but it's also got about 50% less EHP to begin with. These are going to be snacks for regular BC's


They'll kill nanocanes (barely!) if the Tornado keeps transversal down. But these ships are absolutely terrible at killing any other BC's. That's part of their design. Even a nanocane manual piloting is going to give you a run for your money, if he's good

It has the same tank as a Nano Cane of course it can.

Ummmm ? It's got an extra med slot, true, but it's also got about 50% less EHP to begin with. These are going to be snacks for regular BC's

errr CCP said they were going to cost maybe a hair less than a tier 1 BS obv with rigs it costs 30 mill more but that's still not half the cost

-30mil on Large Rigs, I foresee an operating cost of close to 85ish Mil which is around the Hull Cost alone of a Tier 2 Hull.

But what I am really paying for is the speed and Agility to keep up with a Nano Gang and Disengage from most enemies. I just happen to be paying 50mil less then a Tier 1, 70mil Less then a Tier 2 and 120 Mil less then a Tier 3 for the privilege.

Anywhere a huge EHP Slug will do better I will use one for the extra cost. But I do have a So - So Geddon fit for 80mil real cheap to fit out if I need a Battleship at the same cost. I am very thrifty.

errr dude if we are going to be fear here lets compare the cost against tier 1 BS which the cost is only 30 mill more and you get like 80k more EHP

and the thing with the battle ships as you have said if your going to be going around with them your going to have support well if you replaced those with tier 1 BS's you could do more damage because you could get your gang to web them and get over there with a MWD and do more damage because you dont have 100k EHP+ so you dont have to lose DPS by traveling fast you dont have to lose dps by staying out at 30+k you can sit there and put 700+ actual damage into them rather than 400dps - 600dps

I'm tired of this again im going to bed

Hardly neich with some fits.
[Oracle, New Setup 2]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II

Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

still has an 8.1sec slign time and 815dps at normal engagement ranges, 649dps scorch range. W/ same EHP as a vigilant (180m sig / 1080m sig).

Hardly Neich

actually now i have actually looked at that one seems a hell of a lot more useful than the tornado i made a judgment off the naga and tornado but with the Optimal being at range its perfect you can hit for max damage out at 30 k + but the only thing with amarr is cap how long does that thing last for with the MWD and guns going? i would say you need to fit a cap booster to that kinda standard for amarr and PVP because if you run out of cap you can shoot and from 30k a curse can easily f your day

yeah i would scrap the web and go for a cap booster your not going to be getting in close anyways so why not put in the cap booster

You can keep the tank with one Small Cap Booster II running Navy 400 Charges and have room for a Sebo for fast lock. She is Stable with the Micro and the 500m3 Cargohold will keep Cap in Supply. With the MWD off you can keep the guns running under Neuts pretty well but a Curse will still suck you dry.

[Oracle, DPS Support Platform]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Overall I am pretty excited about these things. Good Morning BTW.

It does not have 50% less HP.

Devils advocate speaking here yeah but the mach does well enough against BC's so and apart from less tank and a less speed and dps but lower sig errr yeah there are a lot of differences but you can draw a parallel

So yes, it begins with 50% (less!) of the EHP of a cane. Yes it's got one med slot, but to say it's got the same tank as a nanocane is so idiotic I have trouble figuring out how that even got said let alone defended?

so idiotic I have trouble figuring out how that even got said let alone defended?

Well I have a fit up there that has the same amount of tank as the Standard Nano Cane acting as Fire Support for a Gang so I would guess It is because you can get it to have the same amount of EHP as a Standard Nano Cane by using all Mids 4 slots for Tank. The Tornado can get 48000 EHP in the DPS Support Role.

But if you want to remove Tackle from the Nano Cane and use 3 mids for tank it will go from equal to 16 % more.

To say it has 50% less HP because of the Base stats is:

The problem i can see is when you try and fit its short on CPU for

Without the Nano you are faster then a 2x Nano Cane with the same Agility. So you can through a CPU Enhancer in if your Skills are not near maxed.

Ok i have had a day to recuperate so now i can come back and further explain why the tier 3 BC's and the specialization is useless because other ships can fill there roles better

and the thing with the battle ships as you have said if your going to be going around with them your going to have support well if you replaced those with tier 1 BS's you could do more damage because you could get your gang to web them and get over there with a MWD and do more damage because you dont have 100k EHP+ so you dont have to lose DPS by traveling fast you dont have to lose dps by staying out at 30+k you can sit there and put 700+ actual damage into them rather than 400dps - 600dps and don't bleat numbers again i'm talking about real situational DPS not the highest you can get

Well I have a fit up there that has the same amount of tank as the Standard Nano Cane acting as Fire Support for a Gang so I would guess It is because you can get it to have the same amount of EHP as a Standard Nano Cane by using all Mids 4 slots for Tank. The Tornado can get 48000 EHP in the DPS Support Role.

Anyway, everything you said here holds true for the BCs as well. They are meant to be used with a gang, so it is a thoroughly trivial matter to get the full DPS out of them, and no, you don't need to buzz around like your hair is on fire because your gang has already taken care of that problem. Yes, even the torp Naga will do full damage against most targets, if you use it correctlyGǪ

gotta agree with whats his face, you cant just look at hit point and say ah that has a worse tank you have to look at the base resistances and if the ship has any resistance bonuses the tier 3s don't but eh you need to fit it up before saying anything dude

Yes, let's fit the Tornado for "gang support" but not fit the nano cane the same way so we can skew the numbers! That sounds completely reasonable

Now before the flaming and tolling starts, really think about it what can this ship do better than any other ship in eve can't do in other words what do they add. now I can think of three uses for the tornado at least.

1. Blobing 1 or 2 people from a distance

2. Hit and run in a fleet battle or die

3. the obvious Suicide ganking

but all of those roles can be filled if not better at least equally by other ships

1. Blobing 1 or 2 people from a distance covet Ops but not from such a distance because you have damps

2. Hit and run in a fleet battle or die Covert Ops with bombs

3. Suicide ganking Tier one battleships considering the carebaers have been pacified with the reassurance that they will cost as much as those.

So what do they add? nothing as far as i can see because there speciality can be filled if not better, equally be other ships that are less specialized which means there specialty makes them worse if not = to other ships in eve

Constructive criticism only pleas! or agreement I can abide agreement. :P

Im going to edit this considering people keep on saying the same thing, if you dont want to get near insta poped in a BC gang for support or what ever your going to have to be out at range which even then it doesn't assure you of safety considering battleships can reach even further and being out at range means that you have to reduce your dps to around 350 to 450 which the SB with all skills to 5 can do 550 with other modules like cloak etc or 640 straight damage.

ALSO because some people seem to not know anything about SB's if your in an SB and you die you ****** up or someone ****** up or your ******* unlucky, because those things with a good pilot are near impossible to kill.

And yes if what i heard about the Naga is ture and it actually has a semi decent tank Yes it could tank a POS in a C1 but how many people actually want to take a C1 those things are like common as hell and near empty to boot so why, yes i suppose you could get the into C3s etc with large numbers so yeah they could be useful there but really is there only saving grease the fact that they can take POS's down in WH space... wow there a niche if i had ever heard it.

*head in hand* *sighs* now just dont comment if you have never been in an SB gang and not lost all of your ships because im not going to explain how to use an SB and how hard they are to kill with a good pilot. So just believe me on the fact that there hard to kill if the pilot knows what they are doing. its not about tank with the SB just as its not about the tank with the falcon

[quote=Etheoma]

You have to fly each one differently or as a combined arms team. Don't be afraid to mix em with recons and some logistics.

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Recons.... and large turrets are always a good mix.

Since your own speed can counter your own dps even against battleships, it's also a thoroughly trivial matter for the enemy to apply full DPS to you, too (if you're not 'buzzing around'). And they don't need to tackle you for that.

They're a questionable niche.



Well done wasting great models and art on a ****** useless as **** role.

While the new BCs are decent gank platforms, that is all they are.

If they get into a genuine fight, they are going to just die horribly.

And like I've said in a few other threads, if you aren't going to get shot at back, then ibis do the job just as well. You just cannot ignore how bad they will perform under fire. With their ehp, you probably won't even get reps to them before they die. And moar dps is almost never the answer to winning a fight. Yes, they will kill things. But they will die fast.

They cannot fight things with more tank the same dps (battleships) nor can they fight things who us speed and sig to mitigate damage (anything cruiser sized or below), so what the hell are they going to fight ?

Its not simple as the target can't shoot back, its being able to keep the target from shooting back.

Against a T1 battleship (or gang) you are absolutely correct, as long as number favor the T3s the BS's are going to be forced off the field or die to plinking from battle cruisers that are simply unmatched in speed without doing something...extravagant.

Any sort of even odds the BS force the BS out, with the exception of an alpha gang, and the BS's stand to lose a ship or two aligning.

Its a total rock paper scissors thing, I'm rather fond of the idea.

I hope it will end the parade of tier II BCs that is basically all you see in low, because the best counter for all four hulls is a battleship, if you don't have the battleship and/or a lot of tackle......well you are going to get slammed.

I hope it will end the parade of tier II BCs that is basically all you see in low,

This first setup is better than the Talos @ being a blaster ship...Ship has around 40,000 ehp, 1,400m/sec, 900 damage per second.

This set-up is pretty nasty @ range. 500 damage per second @ 100km.


[Naga, ****** On The RooF!]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I"

derp

herp

Wrote this in another thread.


"Had sometime to spend on some things. I'm really starting to think all tier 3 battle-cruisers are overpowered. Why would I ever use a Eagle (not that I do now) over a Naga or Talos. Both are incredible long range hybrid platforms. Same with the other tier 3 battle-cruisers (Zealot, Muninn, Eagle, Deimos NERF). CCP should limit these bonuses to auto-cannons, siege missiles, blasters, and pulse lasers. Also, CCP should get rid of siege missiles bonuses and hard-points on the Naga. Stick with hybrids...

This first setup is better than the Talos @ being a blaster ship...Ship has around 40,000 ehp, 1,400m/sec, 900 damage per second.

This set-up is pretty nasty @ range. 500 damage per second @ 100km.