Have you tried reading?

Good thing, then, that I haven't said that. You're confusing me with you.

Now, would you like to try your hand at this new invention called reading (it's quite spectacular fun, trust me) and actually address the points being made? And don't worry about your comment, it'll be withdrawn for you and yet saved for prosperity as proof that you've accepted that your idea was horrible from the very start.

It is too bad that people cannot withdraw "likes"

and oh noes, I am being petitioned.

That's only possible because (1) you have the ability to drop dreads all over EVE with trivial logistics and almost no risk (2) a ridiculously large coalition.

Trivial logistics?

You have never moved a large capital fleet.

It is too bad that people cannot withdraw "likes" if that was the case there would be a herd of people trying to take back they gift of a like they wasted on you.

Thanks for bringing this topic back on the rails.

Who said I hate tidi?
Who said grr goons?
What personal rant? afaik tippia is the name of a pretend person made of pixels,

If I insulted a real person named tippia or whatever then I am truely sorry.

LOL

Besides you are the pubbie, by grr goons own defination of a pubbie. If you were a SA goon you would not be in Bat Country corp but rather goonwaffe.

So your comment = meh.

Basically regarding Tippia, its best to just ignore. It makes statements of fact based on fantasy and likes to redefine words at will.

The above argument is basically, "why fix a broken system when we're so big we'd just continue to steamroll over the rest of EVE with impunity just like we're doing now".

As I said in another thread, removing AUTOMATED EMAILS, not necessarily timers, exposes the large bloated easymode coalitions who hold thousands of systems without actually inhabiting or using. It exposes them to attacks, many of which won't be noticed until too late, and sudden loss of sovereignty.

The above should not happen, intel should be a responsibility of the player, not the server.

You're confusing me with you. Especially the GÇ£itGÇ¥ part. Do you have anything to support this or is it just a pathetic attempt at dehumanising someone because you can't actually address the facts and arguments being presented to you?

No, the argument is GÇ£why break the system even more, especially since we already know how poorly it would work?GÇ¥ No-one is arguing against a fix, only against your notion that going back to a system that was no-one really missed when they removed it.

Large easymode coalitions will be pretty much untouched by such a change GÇö in fact, it would probably be the preferred setup to cope with the mechanic.

So you're saying that they should remove local?

well thought through. Jumping through a gate into a TiDi system is the same as jumping back into time.

That should not be possible. So yes if you want to join a fight in a TiDi sysme get there when it starts or wait till time catches up and join in.

There is no way pilots from the future should be able to effect a fight that technically occured in the past.

And if you cannot understand that then you are the lolz.

Did you just redefine the meanings of "confusing"?

No one, especially me, is arguing for going back to the previous broken incarnation of sov. As I have repeatedly stated, a fix would involve a number of changes, not simply the removal of timers.

Large ezymode coalitions benefit directly from the mails

Removal of local is not a removal of intel.

Nope.

GǪand yet, the fact remains that the timers serve a purpose and that anything that removes them will have to be replaced with something that serves pretty much the exact same purpose or we're back to the old system. If you're going to have a delaying mechanic, why not have it beGǪ ohGǪ a simple delay?

GǪbut that's because everyone does. The difference is that large coalitions could trivially compensate for their removal whereas smaller ones could not GÇö that's just the simple advantage of having more people compared to having fewer. The notion that large coalitions would somehow miss out on information seems to be plucked wholly out of thin air with nothing to support it.

EhmGǪ how should I explain this is the simplest way possible: yes, removing intel on who's in a system is a removal of intel. Specifically, it's the removal of the intel on who's in a system. Mails, on the other hand, provide next to no intel whatsoever GÇö just a simple alarm that you have to go and observe (through local among other things) if you want to get any value out of it. At most, it's a communication of a state change, but the nature of that change is left for the recipient to discover through other means.

lol. removal of local in the sense of mails is not a removal of intel since it would only directly affect those systems that are unoccupied. No local in a system with no one in it is not a removal of intel. Try again.

removal of local in the sense of mails is not a removal of intel since it would only directly affect those systems that are unoccupied.

Are you seriously arguing "if a tree falls in a forest and there is no one to hear it?"

Really? I mean really.

Are you seriously arguing "if a tree falls in a forest and there is no one to hear it?"

Really? I mean really.

GÇ£In the sense of mailsGÇ¥ nothing. I'm talking about the removal of local in the sense of removal of local, and no matter what, the removal of local is still a removal of intel. You no longer have any information on who's in the system with you. Mails on the other hand, provide almost zero intel GÇö it's just a structure reporting its own state and nothing about its environment.

He kind of is, yes. But it's more a case of GÇ£hearing is not a source of information because I might not be around to use itGÇ¥.

No I'm arguing that if a tree falls in the forest and there's no one to hear it it shouldn't send a mail to advise its fallen over. All intel should be player gathered disregarding map statistics.

No, you're arguing because a few months ago you failed to take down a Goon poco while solo. Oh, and that you have claimed that pocos are sov assets.

Your argument is nothing but butthurt, plain and simple. Your post history shows quite clearly that every time you encounter something that doesn't explicitly favor teh soloh playerz, you ***** and whine about it on the forums.

No, you're arguing because a few months ago you failed to take down a Goon poco while solo. Oh, and that you have claimed that pocos are sov assets.

Your argument is nothing but butthurt, plain and simple. Your post history shows quite clearly that every time you encounter something that doesn't explicitly favor teh soloh playerz, you ***** and whine about it on the forums.

Yawn... untwist those knickers already. I"m not interested in your personal attacks, derails or non-topic specific opinions. Next.

There was no mention of removing local so the point your attempting to stitch together is irrelevant.

If a tree falls in the forest, will it have a reinforcement timer?

As a rule, the purpose of automation is to let fewer people do more with less. If you remove the automation, who do you think will be affected more: the ones with manpower to spare or those without?

Only if its on a nullsec planet, other planets we have to actually deal with tree v tree when it happens.

Uh no, starbases and player-owned customs offices have reinforcement timers everywhere. The only reason nothing else does outside of nullsec is because nothing outside of nullsec is conquerable to any meaningful degree.

Already explained it.

They do which is a very poor non-sandbox mechanic implemented by a null sec player turned dev turned PL member.

They do which is a very poor non-sandbox mechanic implemented by a null sec player turned dev turned PL member. Its no wonder its such a one sided alliance protective system eh.

I have said in the past and say again and contiue to say that the best fix for tidi dogpiles is to hold pilots from jumping into a tidi effected system until the systems time has caught up with the out of system time.