Is it fair the weapon system with the least dps to frigs has no drones or neut to remove a malediction scram?

@batelle
And about the malediction being in neut or web range a webbed malediction will take about 100 dps to 120 dps from drones and hams depending on fit. The malediction successfully tanks 150 dps until SAAR reload.

Whereas quality posts about the best (even after the nerf) T1 anti-frig cruiser being unable to kill an intie are acceptable?

RLML are best for that definitely. But if you want to do pvp that involves more than one target hams are the better choice.

RLML are best for that definitely. But if you want to do pvp that involves more than one target hams are the better choice. All of stats in this thread will be with hams and won't be about changing hams application or reverting RLML to old style play. What this is about is the shrinking engagement profile in relation to balance. The ham caracals engagement profile is simply other cruisers. But nothing with equivalent range. Don't even try fighting a frig or two. 5 warriors on caracal is not a revolutionary change hell the bellicose has plenty of drone room!

An argument against this idea isn't use RLML. Heretic does more dps than RLML caracal but it's not even about that. It's about the race with the smallest drone bay.

Gallente have room in mids for dual web scram plus tank in lows. And full flights of drones. I mean 4 miss is plenty when you've got a nice base speed and low slot tank layout

@guywhothinks2ec300sisgoodidea
First off 2 ec 300s is not an effective strategy. Web scram on solo caracal puts you in web scram range of every cruiser that already has a better tank. In sort it's death. Long Point web takes better advantage of ham range.

In my opinion the problem with Caldari is the poor damage application for heavy missiles. Firgate and Battleship sized launchers are in a good place. Cruiser sized launchers though ...

Some drones would be nice too, but I can live without.

There's a huge difference in damage application of heavy missiles vs a ABing or a MWDing target. The increase in speed is directly proportional to the amount of applied damage.

People getting mad over not having an I win button.

Caracal is a great ship.

I fail to see whats the whining on about, an internet fitted caracal with RLML II's and precision missiles loaded does 180 dps versus an ab malediction with speed of 1.9k and 150 dps to a mwd malediction with speed of 5.2k. But we are talking about a t1 cruiser taking on a t2 frig, when we go for example to usage of a t2 cruiser variation of caracal named cerberus numbers rise to 215 dps to a mwd malediction and 247 dps to an ab malediction which is quite a lot. We are talking about applicable dps. Not to mention the 31km range of caracal and 47.5km range of cerberus with precision missiles loaded. Would really love to hear your opinion on ability to hit an interceptor with scorch lasers or railgun thorax. With fury missiles they apply full damage to cruiser sized ships 409 caracal to a 614 cerberus, with reloads that falls to 240 and 358 with 30 and 40km range.

Again I fail to see why people are comparing and boasting around killing a t1 cruiser with a t2 ship, this one not even being a frig but a t2 dessy. Maybe you are just a better pilot than the counter player, you had a fit designed to take on such a target while he might have not, lots of factors could sway in every way but I would like to ask you to go up against a cerberus and tell us how it goes for you. Not to mention that you took down a ship that is 5x cheaper hull than yours. Not to mention the differences in skill, implants and other factors that also are a huge impact in fights.

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Please go and fight in a t1 frig vs a RLML caracal of apropriate skills and tell us how it goes for you.

I fail to see whats the whining on about, an internet fitted caracal with RLML II's and precision missiles loaded does 180 dps versus an ab malediction with speed of 1.9k and 150 dps to a mwd malediction with speed of 5.2k. But we are talking about a t1 cruiser taking on a t2 frig, when we go for example to usage of a t2 cruiser variation of caracal named cerberus numbers rise to 215 dps to a mwd malediction and 247 dps to an ab malediction which is quite a lot. We are talking about applicable dps. Not to mention the 31km range of caracal and 47.5km range of cerberus with precision missiles loaded. Would really love to hear your opinion on ability to hit an interceptor with scorch lasers or railgun thorax. With fury missiles they apply full damage to cruiser sized ships 409 caracal to a 614 cerberus, with reloads that falls to 240 and 358 with 30 and 40km range.

As said please go fight a well fitted cerberus with the same amount of flying skills in it as you have in your heretic and tell us the result.

As said please go fight a well fitted cerberus with the same amount of flying skills in it as you have in your heretic and tell us the result.

Concerning the other part of your argument it is all true, the reload times, not having precision fitted and the rest are all valid points. However you are forgetting some other issues that are valid and should be considered, you do not require cap to shoot, traversal and sig doesn't matter at all cause you will be hit for full damage when it comes to cruiser size, ability to chose the right ammo against the ships weakest rez and also the 30km range of your weapons.

While omen and thorax both require cap to shoot, omen does that damage up to 10km and with scorch up to 20km, if omen is active tank fitted then it will burn trough its cap even sooner if it is a buffer tank then you can be kited, your guns are affected by sig and traversal. Same thing goes for thorax but he has that much dps up to 3k km and cant even shoot past 10km and also requires cap for its active tank which will result in faster cap burning and if you are an active tank you can be kited and freely disengaged.

They all have their pro's and con's caracal is good at its own thing and RLML's are also good for their own role and they are not at all underpowered if used properly and with a right tactic.

And there we have it ladies and gentleman, the cop out, a TKO- the surrender. You have nothing, stop wasting forum space with your uninformed musings.