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Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:26:00 - [1] Edited by: Irwin on 24/04/2006 19:29:41 Ok heres the deal... I buy a BPO for 1.1billion, am happy and when i come to collect i find out the num-nut has put it on escrow for 110mill (right plonker :P) so i collect quickly before my net crashes again. I log back on after food and was about to transfer the difference in isk when i noticed the guy has a sec status of -7.5! Now i have a problem.. i want to keep the cash (doesn't everyone) though my conscience said pay up! Yet when noticeing the sec status and guessing what he has done to others i have second thoughts... Am i being naive in thinking i should pay up and not lower myself to the pirates level.... or should i keep the money knowing he would prob do the same thing in the tides where reversed? HELP! Irwin P.s I am posting with my main and welcome the guy to defend himself, this is a genuine plea for help and honestly believe if the tides where turned he would keep the cash (have sterotyped him as a pirate). edit: have not been able to log in a speak with him as my net is ammazingly unstable atm.. thought a new router would have fixed it
Vurg	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:29:00 - [2] I'd keep it. It's purely his fault for making such a mistake, and mistakes like that don't happen often.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:32:00 - [3] Edited by: Kel Shek on 24/04/2006 19:33:50 personally I'd quadruple check that it indeed was a original not a copy and such, get the print into high sec... and assuming all was kosher, (the BP was as expected) once back in high sec,(of course, that only applies if the transfer wasnt' already in high sec) I'd pay the rest. might jerk their chain a little, but the intent would always be ultimately to give the proper amount. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
xeom	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:32:00 - [4] If you're gana do it do it becuase you want to.Not becuase hes pirate.You're just trying to find a crutch to stand-on,and the fact that hes a pirate is not one.If you want to go ahead and be 'ebil' and take it then go ahead.But don't use the 'he was a pirate defence' if you would have given a carebear the rest of the money. _____________________ CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:35:00 - [5] Yes in a way i am trying to justify keeping teh cash.. your right. In situations like this thats always the prob. Thought i honestly would have given him the cash had he not been a pirate, i've always tried to keep myself above board on the conscience side of things.
Tatiana JInMei	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:35:00 - [6] Well I probably would not to a unstable client but would for a stable one. Do you plan on long term with the guy? no screw him or get something in exchange for it. a 2nd copy maybe?
Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:37:00 - [7] Edited by: Irwin on 24/04/2006 19:37:48 It is a BPO.. check that before i claim any escrow This is just a 1 off trade... not met the guy before and prob wont meet him again (unless i fall asleep while on autopilot :D)
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Vurg I'd keep it. It's purely his fault for making such a mistake, and mistakes like that don't happen often. His mistake opened an interesting opportunity, keep it. Sell your conscience on escrow . ________________________________________________ Originally by: Kadrush I want a Death Star to mine Veldspar Yes I made the pic before I saw this
Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Arkanor Originally by: Vurg I'd keep it. It's purely his fault for making such a mistake, and mistakes like that don't happen often. His mistake opened an interesting opportunity, keep it. Sell your conscience on escrow . LoL.. could prob get a fair bit for my conscience... though considering you can sell your friendship on ebay i proberbly could do it!
Dimitri Chandler	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:50:00 - [10] I admire the honesty, and have been in this situation myself. Treble check It is likely to be a tech1 missile / ammo bpo masquerading as a tech 2 one. And if it is real, you got lucky - keep it and don't pay it back. Justification: - There are 900 other people just waiting for this type of mistake to occur and if it was you who made the mistake you would never get the isk. There are plenty of mechanisms in the escrow system that make it almost impossible to make this kind of mistake. Sadly, people still do. Exiles recruiting Nope :) -Capsicum
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:55:00 - [11] It has nothing to do with whether he's a pirate or not. You either do the right thing, or you do the wrong thing. However, the "wrong" thing can be very profitable in this case. Decide your morals for yourself. Him "being a pirate" is not a justification. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:58:00 - [12] If it's someone I'd know, I'd pay up. After telling everyone about it. If it is someone random on escrow who's made a mistake? Their problem, not mine. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Idara	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:00:00 - [13] Frack 'em! Keep that cash! I would...
Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Irwin on 24/04/2006 20:01:59 umm "him being a pirate" is a justification.. I work in a local scout troop, if one of my fellow leaders dropped his wallet i would give it back.. i know they are kind people and it isn't fair on them... however i have never encountered the problem in real life where a know repetitive burglar drops his wallet.. edit: btw like the sig, ghost in the shell was great :D
pyr8t	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:11:00 - [15] Irwin, you're the typical carebear. "I feel guilty" whaaa! I'll defend this supposed pirate. I think you should give him his ISK back, not doing so makes YOU a bad person. God forbid you become a bad person... In fact, i'll go one step further... you become a griefer by not giving him his money back! hahah! That's right, a Griefer! Irwin = Griefer. Everyone will know to avoid you and your reputation will be ruined. Give the pirate his ISK back so he can, in turn, use it to buy battleships to gate snipe you with. Not doing so would be griefing on your part. You don't want to be known a griefer now do you? Once you start down that path... there's no telling how far you'll fall Irwin. (LOL)
Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:15:00 - [16] Originally by: pyr8t Irwin, you're the typical carebear. "I feel guilty" whaaa! I'll defend this supposed pirate. I think you should give him his ISK back, not doing so makes YOU a bad person. God forbid you become a bad person... In fact, i'll go one step further... you become a griefer by not giving him his money back! hahah! That's right, a Griefer! Irwin = Griefer. Everyone will know to avoid you and your reputation will be ruined. Give the pirate his ISK back so he can, in turn, use it to buy battleships to gate snipe you with. Not doing so would be griefing on your part. You don't want to be known a griefer now do you? Once you start down that path... there's no telling how far you'll fall Irwin. (LOL) Lol!
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:21:00 - [17] If you make a deal, you should honor your word. Live above the board and don't look back.
GLi7ch	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:21:00 - [18] which would u rather walk away with, your integrety or 900mil? Personally i say his loss but then again im also a vile murderer If he has been around eve for any significant amount of time he's prolly already written if off as a big fat stupid expensive mistake and if he hasnt then hes tha one beeing naive you hear stories liek this every once and a while and typically the general feeling is not one of sympathy for tha guy who didnt double triple and quadruple check his escrow its been said many times before eve is a highly competative game and you got a decent break Originally by: Eximius Josari Originally by: Farquoo Too Hey Wrangler i seem to be having problems satisfying my girlfriend in bed,any ideas what i'm doing wrong? Participating.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:25:00 - [19] If you keep it, it's entire;ly up to you but you must accept the consequences. -7.5 sec status means he'll hunt you down any time you're in low sec for at least a few months. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Toksin	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:31:00 - [20] If you want to keep the money, then keep it. If not, give him his ISK. But don't **** around by justifying that you're keeping it because he's a pirate. I don't have a problem with escrow scammers, besides the fact that they spam escrow, but in all aspects, if you don't give him your ISK, you are now a bad guy. A villian. But don't try to justify it with false pretenses we all know aren't true. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Valium Summer	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Dimitri Chandler And if it is real, you got lucky - keep it and don't pay it back. Justification: - There are 900 other people just waiting for this type of mistake to occur and if it was you who made the mistake you would never get the isk. There are plenty of mechanisms in the escrow system that make it almost impossible to make this kind of mistake. Sadly, people still do. I personally would not make my decision based on what I thought other people would do. I always feel a person is lucky to have me find his stuff because he will get everything I find. EXCEPT FOR PIRATE SCUM. Keep the loot, make a bed of it and roll around and frollick in it knowing this guy has made a living of taking from others. I have seen the Arctic Circle... And it is round.
ArtemisEntreri	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:47:00 - [22] Edited by: ArtemisEntreri on 24/04/2006 20:47:09 I have to say that you should give him the money, because when I was 5.0 I was doing exactly the same things as when I was -10.0 but in low-sec, griefing innocent little carebears mining / npc hunting. edit : my point being sec status doesn't matter
Brem Watson	Posted - 2006.04.24 20:53:00 - [23] Well talking about it on an open forum didn't help the situation. Just pay it back now.
Sensor Error	Posted - 2006.04.24 21:01:00 - [24] Something else to consider: Where did he get this? It is possible to be -7.5 and NOT be a griefing pirate scumbag (anti-pirate etc). It is POSSIBLE that he is simply selling off a corp asset that isn't needed anymore (change in direction, can get production done cheaper/ less hastle etc etc) it is also POSSIBLE that the guy picked it up from someone that he popped... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------
MrTripps	Posted - 2006.04.24 21:06:00 - [25] Everything in EVE, even trade, is PVP. A player who doesn't take advantage of another player's mistakes isn't playing to win. The real question is weather or not your relationship with the other character is worth the ISK. The movie where John Cusack is chased relentlessly by a paperboy for $2 comes to mind.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.24 21:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Sensor Error Something else to consider: Where did he get this? It is possible to be -7.5 and NOT be a griefing pirate scumbag (anti-pirate etc). It is POSSIBLE that he is simply selling off a corp asset that isn't needed anymore (change in direction, can get production done cheaper/ less hastle etc etc) it is also POSSIBLE that the guy picked it up from someone that he popped... Piracy is just as valid a profession as mining. It is not an excuse to violate your honor. Thus, you either keep your honor and lose 900 million, or lose some honor but keep 900 million. Its a choice. There's no justification. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
James Don	Posted - 2006.04.24 21:12:00 - [27] Edited by: James Don on 24/04/2006 21:13:39 Originally by: Irwin Edited by: Irwin on 24/04/2006 19:29:41 Ok heres the deal... I buy a BPO for 1.1billion, am happy and when i come to collect i find out the num-nut has put it on escrow for 110mill (right plonker :P) so i collect quickly before my net crashes again. I did a deal for x2 Deimos's a while back for 123mil ea the bloke escrowed them for 0 Isk to me only by mistake, it didnt even cross my mind not to send him the cash but thats just me! Lots of ppl since said flip no I'd have taken them and not paid but my honor means more ot me than that. -------------------------------------------- notify : Your cloaking systems are unable to activate due to your ship being within 2000 meters of the nearby Snowballs.

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.04.24 21:12:00 - [28] Money can't buy happiness, but it can make you awfully comfortable while you're being miserable. [Read the Rules!] - [Contact us]

Nimie	Posted - 2006.04.24 21:17:00 - [29] just whatever you feel like doing. no point asking anyone other than yourself what you should do. not sure if i can advertise this but i like it. http://www.eve-bay.biz/
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.04.24 21:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Arkanor Originally by: Vurg I'd keep it. It's purely his fault for making such a mistake, and mistakes like that don't happen often. His mistake opened an interesting opportunity, keep it. Sell your conscience on escrow . people PAY for them?!?!?! Damn, and I threw mine out with the trash... ............................................. ------------------- English only, please.-Capsicum-[red]ol
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.04.24 21:30:00 - [31] Simple. Give me the isk instead. Problem solved
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:04:00 - [32] Originally by: GLi7ch which would u rather walk away with, your integrety or 900mil? Personally i say his loss but then again im also a vile murderer That's not all you get though, if you choose option A you get: 1. Your "integrity" Whereas choosing option B will result in: 1. 900 million ISK. (That's 900,000,000 for those of you who like large numbers) 2. The knowledge that you got 900m ISK for free. 3. Bragging rights about getting 900m ISK for free. 4. Anything else you can do with 900m ISK without spending it. I like option B ________________________________________________ Originally by: Kadrush I want a Death Star to mine Veldspar Yes I made the pic before I saw this
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:07:00 - [33] I'd probably give the money to the pirate. I am too nice of a guy to screw somebody like that. Although you should message him about it regardless what you are going to do. Who knows, maybe he figured he screwed up and written off the amount. Then you can have a clear conscience and 900,000,000 ISK. ------------- Rules for ship combat. 1) Bring a ship. 2) Bring all your friends in ships. 3) Bring ammo. Bring the right ammo. Bring lots of it.
Kalavoz	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:23:00 - [34] Irwin, have you ever thought that you might worry too much what others think of you? If you are concerned with strangers opinions of you, you might want to consider that if you give back that 900 million, maybe more people will think of you as 'dumb' as opposed to 'Honorable' Also, consider the longterm... are you going to be playing Eve a long time? With 900 mill in your back pocket, you'll have an easier life than most, a smart player can make 900 mill last a long time... Or, you can give the money back (probably causing bemused amazement to the pirate) and feel good at least for a little while, until you become short on isk - ironically probably after losing a nice ship to a pirate. Like other podpilots have said, cut the cr*p, keep the money, and smile at a lucky break - and while some people might claim you lack honour, at least no-one will be thinking of you as a fool.
Karunel	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:27:00 - [35] Give him 500 mill, keep the rest. ^^
ArtemisEntreri	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:28:00 - [36] Edited by: ArtemisEntreri on 24/04/2006 22:28:40 I usually don't do this but at the person above me, he has a HAC bpo, 900 mill = pennies edit: was at kalavoz

wystler	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:28:00 - [37] I'd say how much you want to keep the difference would have to outweight how much you and your corp feel like going to war if the other guy gets angry is what should guide your decision forum rules \| [email protected]

Ninsoku	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:37:00 - [38] Edited by: Ninsoku on 24/04/2006 22:37:37 That money he probably made off killing other players and selling thier loot, i doubt he earned it anymore than you did. Keep it, its the circle of life baby, what goes around comes around.. ..besides, if you give it back, he'll only go and buy more battleships and i bet he wont use them for mining either.
Kalavoz	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:38:00 - [39] Originally by: ArtemisEntreri Edited by: ArtemisEntreri on 24/04/2006 22:28:40 I usually don't do this but at the person above me, he has a HAC bpo, 900 mill = pennies edit: was at kalavoz Oh, okay then, thanks AE. Under light of new information, a new opinion is warrented. Since both parties are involved in the mass circle-jerk that is T2 production, under the circumstances, it would be best if 'those pennies' get tossed into my isk-wallet instead of the pirates. It can be said with a straight face that this course of action would indeed be the honourable course to take.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:40:00 - [40] I think you are looking for an "easy out" to salve your shattered concsience.
Nukeitall	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:47:00 - [41] Edited by: Nukeitall on 24/04/2006 22:48:34 Edited by: Nukeitall on 24/04/2006 22:48:03 People with no morals do not recieve pity in my book. That's just me, though. As another poster mentioned, he'll probably go buy more weaponry and ships to kill more people if you refund it to him. Does that make you feel better?
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:59:00 - [42] "He's a pirate" Is a perfectly fine excuse. Pirates in eve are the Murderers and Thieves of real life, even when you are not a roleplayer, but just a carebear, it doesnt make much sense to give "your enemy" or "criminals" more money then you need to, just so he can be even more aggressive against you and your law abiding kind. Keep the money, he's just a pirate. ________________________________________________ I survived Veto and all i got was this lame sig.
Wizerud	Posted - 2006.04.24 23:08:00 - [43] There is a chance that he didn't even notice and still hasn't noticed. Maybe 900 mill is nothing to him. Maybe he thinks that you didn't notice because 900 mill is nothing to you. I'd wait and see if he contacts you about it or not. If he doesn't either he wrote it off as his own dumb mistake or he didn't notice. If he does notice and he contacts you then I'd claim total innocence and then, maybe, pay him back
John Bishop	Posted - 2006.04.24 23:28:00 - [44] id give the money back as a point of honer reason being there are some pirates that are honerable and he could be one you could find that his entire pirate circle gives you the no kill treatment be able to go into areas and not get podded by there snipers and gate camps. then again you could give the money back and he could just pod you next time he sees you. but you will still have kept your honer _______________________________________________ sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.24 23:50:00 - [45] thanx for the posts guys... if i can get a stable net connection i'll try to convo him tomorrow.. just logged on for long enough to read a mail asking if i was going to pay him. wondering if life would have been better if he never made the mistake :D Gonna go sleep and think it over (saves having to make a descission for 15hours!) Irwin P.s a war is one thing i dont have to worry about thankfully.. too involved in uni work atm and rarly if ever leave the station, hopefully that will change come september though.
Misspelled	Posted - 2006.04.25 00:10:00 - [46] Edited by: Misspelled on 25/04/2006 00:10:46 yup you're lowering yourself by not respecting your word he chose a dangerous path, which i dont understand but whatever floats his boat eh. you chose another, stick to it if you keep it, he may be a pirate but you're not trustable
Splagada	Posted - 2006.04.25 00:12:00 - [47] bleh damn alts. that was me above(misspelled) - Member of [AAST]
Galifardeua	Posted - 2006.04.25 00:50:00 - [48] I would give back the cash, because I'm stupidly honest. My evil twin would keep the cash, because it's nice to have it. My really-damned-evil twin would use the 900 million to pay a mercenary corp to attack that other person. After all, it's his money, what's better than to give it back to him?

Santiago Cortes	Posted - 2006.04.25 03:03:00 - [49] I'd sell the bpo then convo him and say you want to buy something else off him. If he agreed I'd hope that the default maximum amount of isk in your wallet appeared in the trade box whenever you tried to buy the item. Then I'd constantly flash the 990 million profit you made in the trade window until he got sick and logged off/local reaches triple figures. For additional amusement I'd click on the yes/no button to complete a trade too. See how many times you can do this before he tries to catch you out by putting an item in the window and clicking yes himself. forum rules \| mailto:[email protected] Property Of Ductoris, if found please return to CCP Games Grandagar=ur 8, 101 Reykjavik, Iceland It's a sad state of affairs when you have to vandalise your own sig - Cortes Maximum dimensions for a signature are 400 width by 120 height, for a total size of 24000 kbs or under

General Meridus	Posted - 2006.04.25 04:03:00 - [50] Interesting problem. I suppose it comes down to what one of the other posters said, what will make you happy or comfortable. It is just a game, but you also struck a deal. You've already gone past the momentary glee of such a stroke of luck. Now is the realization that you haven't really kept your word, have you? The solution is simple. Be true to your own character and beliefs whatever they may be. How the seller obtained the item, makes little difference to the deal you struck. I really don't think scammers and such are a happy bunch. A real pirate in the game is roleplay.
Aziza	Posted - 2006.04.25 04:37:00 - [51] Originally by: Irwin thanx for the posts guys... if i can get a stable net connection i'll try to convo him tomorrow.. just logged on for long enough to read a mail asking if i was going to pay him. wondering if life would have been better if he never made the mistake :D Gonna go sleep and think it over (saves having to make a descission for 15hours!) Irwin Think about what? Just pay what you agreed on. ------------------------- Thank you
Toksin	Posted - 2006.04.25 06:03:00 - [52] Jeez. The people here who say that keeping it is justifable because he's a pirate make me sad. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Wrench Head	Posted - 2006.04.25 06:09:00 - [53] Lets analyze what has transpired here: You thought you were buying a BPO for 'X' isk Instead, somebody made a mistake and so you bought said BPO for 'Y' isk Hence you realized your mistake and then your concience forced you to publicly disclose this OBVIOUS Mistake of GIGANTIC PROPORTIONS to the rest of the universe. Then you received many replies about what to do... Pretty much sums it up, eh? The answer is quite obvious really...GIVE ME THE BPO Kidding! Do the right thing and give the man his isk and then get back to your life already. "If it aint broke, I cant fix it"
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.04.25 08:45:00 - [54] Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 25/04/2006 08:46:00 i don't get you pirate guys referring to "honor" while saying the guy to give the money. pirates are the scum without honor, hitting people when they are weak, taking advantage of people's mistakes. why then should this person not take advantage of the pirate's mistake? why do you think that the backstabbing griefer pirate has more honour than this guy if he doesn't give the money? so yes, by your own words, this is the pvp game where sec status doesn't matter, and this is the exact reason why the guy should NOT give the rest of money.
Valium Summer	Posted - 2006.04.25 09:58:00 - [55] All Joking aside, I think you should give the man his loot. By what you have said and the amount of anquish you have put yourself through over the issue I think you would not enjoy spending the ill gotten gains of this man's folley. Be honest with him. Tell him that you were tempted to keep it becuase you percieve him as a pirate but that your concience won't allow it. Don't make any conditions for the return of his money. Take the high ground and simply send it back. The relief this guy is going to feel once he gets his loot back will make him and his friends your allies for life. I have seen the Arctic Circle... And it is round.
Sir Juri	Posted - 2006.04.25 10:24:00 - [56] faxes a picture of "Irwin Grey Fox" to the Concord police Man I hope they catch this ebil, ebil man soon... damn need to make a new sig...
Logi3	Posted - 2006.04.25 11:09:00 - [57] Something similar happened with me, but i was the one buying. I got something for 20 Mil instead of 200 Mil. To me this is a different type of ruining someones gameplay to killing there ship. So, we agreed on a settlement figure. which suited both parties. Its not my fault he messed the Escrow up, yet i know these things can happen. So i ended up paying 165 Mil for something that was supposed to be 200 Mil. Personally this is what i think you should do Irwin. Your still taking advantage of his mistake, yet not leaving him with nothing -----------------------------------------------
Severe McCald	Posted - 2006.04.25 11:26:00 - [58] Did you agree a price? Then pay it. The man's sec status could have been caused by pod killing enemy's in low sec (negative standings but no war) but is not relevant to how you choose to behave. The question is not whether he is a pirate or not. The question is, are you? Sev I saw a squirrel today jumping from one tree to another, the branch it landed on snapped. So the squirrel was on this falling branch, clambering like mad, thinking it was doing something about it.'
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:11:00 - [59] To the OP: Ask yourself: Taking his sec status in account with his style of play, would he reimburse you if such a mistake was made on your part? Probably not, he'd be on the forums bragging about how he scammed some carebear. I'd keep the ISK. Maybe he looted this BPO through his pirating actions, so he definitely does not deserve the ISK in that case... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Eraza	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:13:00 - [60] well, i for one wouldnt even think about it.., if it¦s not mine, i give it back.. playing to win? bah, the point of a game is to have fun, winning is just a bonus --- return the mines! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=190321&page=1
Dri Kulsane	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:21:00 - [61] Listening to all of us will not justify your decision to keep the isks.
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:31:00 - [62] Edited by: Jacinto Naysmith on 25/04/2006 12:32:26 Using his sec status as an excuse to keep the money is just a rationalization to convince your self that you can take the money and keep a clear conscience. 900m isk or taking the moral high ground, they're mutually exclusive. Personally I don't know what I'd choose.
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:32:00 - [63] pirates are ppl too
Quonos	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:34:00 - [64] If I make the "mistake" of jumping into a system with a pirate in it I'm not usually given a second chance and have quite often been podded for my troubles. By the same token if he made a mistake in escrow I wouldn't pay him a penny. The fact that he is a pirate makes a difference. If a drug dealer dropped $10,000 in real life I'm quite certain that very few people would be rushing to get it back to him.
Tedeski	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:51:00 - [65] I assume it's a ship BPO? If so, build one and pod the pirate in it. I'd laugh so hard.
Toksin	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:59:00 - [66] Originally by: Quonos If I make the "mistake" of jumping into a system with a pirate in it I'm not usually given a second chance and have quite often been podded for my troubles. By the same token if he made a mistake in escrow I wouldn't pay him a penny. The fact that he is a pirate makes a difference. If the pope dropped $10,000 in real life I'm quite certain that very few people would be rushing to get it back to him. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Rthor	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:04:00 - [67] Actually the moral high ground is still with Irwin if he keeps the money. By keeping it he is dealing a financial setback to piracy and if he gives it back then he is in fact supporting piracy and directly sponsoring future deaths of many. Keep it because of his security rating. Because of his security rating you know for sure that if you were in a reversed situation with you in a faction battleship he would have no qualms trying to take you out and causing you a loss of 900M. But on the other hand if you have easily identifiable friends whom he may attack to get back at you then I would give it back if you want to keep these friends. But if your corp does not care about threats then I would keep it.
Toksin	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:08:00 - [68] Originally by: Rthor Actually the moral high ground is still with Irwin if he keeps the money. By keeping it he is dealing a financial setback to piracy and if he gives it back then he is in fact supporting piracy and directly sponsoring future deaths of many. Keep it because of his security rating. Because of his security rating you know for sure that if you were in a reversed situation with you in a faction battleship he would have no qualms trying to take you out and causing you a loss of 900M. But on the other hand if you have easily identifiable friends whom he may attack to get back at you then I would give it back if you want to keep these friends. But if your corp does not care about threats then I would keep it. Despite what some people here think, keeping the money, whether the guy's a pirate or not, keeping the money would make you a bad guy, which I have no problems with. But do NOT try and justify this with "He's a pirate" because that's a load of BS, and maybe he bought the character who was a pirate, and is trying to raise his sec up, or he was fighting an unoffical war in low-sec(Happens), or maybe other things. So either you're a rich bad guy, or a poor good guy. But not a rich good guy. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Crumplecorn	Posted - 2006.04.25 13:22:00 - [69] Originally by: Tedeski I assume it's a ship BPO? If so, build one and pod the pirate in it. I'd laugh so hard. We don't know that he is a pirate, only that he is low-sec (unless I missed something). If he can be confirmed to be a noob-killing nutcase, keep it. And stay out of low-sec. However, if there is any doubt, you must give it back, even if you think he wouldn't if your positions were reversed. Do unto others and all that.... ---------- Go here: http://www.student.ru.nl/martindevillers/tk8_outgame.html
Rthor	Posted - 2006.04.25 22:00:00 - [70] Originally by: Toksin Originally by: Rthor Actually the moral high ground is still with Irwin if he keeps the money. By keeping it he is dealing a financial setback to piracy and if he gives it back then he is in fact supporting piracy and directly sponsoring future deaths of many. Keep it because of his security rating. Because of his security rating you know for sure that if you were in a reversed situation with you in a faction battleship he would have no qualms trying to take you out and causing you a loss of 900M. But on the other hand if you have easily identifiable friends whom he may attack to get back at you then I would give it back if you want to keep these friends. But if your corp does not care about threats then I would keep it. Despite what some people here think, keeping the money, whether the guy's a pirate or not, keeping the money would make you a bad guy, which I have no problems with. But do NOT try and justify this with "He's a pirate" because that's a load of BS, and maybe he bought the character who was a pirate, and is trying to raise his sec up, or he was fighting an unoffical war in low-sec(Happens), or maybe other things. So either you're a rich bad guy, or a poor good guy. But not a rich good guy. Unless he asks very nicely I would keep it. Why should you do all this work going through moral dillemas when it was his mistake. I think that since you posted this here you should at least require him to play his part and post here his thank you and say what a swell guy you are. He will still try harder than normal to kill you if he gets a chance anyhow.

Imaran	Posted - 2006.04.25 22:08:00 - [71] I'd keep it and send him an Eve-Mail that read : "olLLoloOLOlolOLolOLlLLll!!11!1! Al1 uR 1SK R B3l0ng to mEh!1!1!11!" Then again, I'm bald, so I'm not to be trusted with Isk and shiny, expensive things... Sexeh CRC Website Public Service Announcement : Contrary To Popular Belief, Potatoes Cannot Talk Click / Rank 999 / SP: 1,000,000 of 1,000,000

Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.26 17:09:00 - [72] Well just had a convo... he had 2 ways to get his cash back tell me he was involved in bounty hunting or something, or just not use the words "Give me my money back you noob or i'll come and wtfpwn your ass" He seemed a fair guy so he got the money back. I dont feel like joining that side of eve just yet. Irwin
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.26 17:12:00 - [73] Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww... that is soooo sweet. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Roupeh Natanoj	Posted - 2006.04.26 17:18:00 - [74] Edited by: Roupeh Natanoj on 26/04/2006 17:19:10 I would take the BPO and not pay the rest, no questions asked. I mean, it's not like you scammed him or anything. <><><>
Severe McCald	Posted - 2006.04.26 17:27:00 - [75] Originally by: Irwin Well just had a convo... he had 2 ways to get his cash back tell me he was involved in bounty hunting or something, or just not use the words "Give me my money back you noob or i'll come and wtfpwn your ass" He seemed a fair guy so he got the money back. I dont feel like joining that side of eve just yet. Irwin Sev I saw a squirrel today jumping from one tree to another, the branch it landed on snapped. So the squirrel was on this falling branch, clambering like mad, thinking it was doing something about it.'
albert camus	Posted - 2006.04.26 17:38:00 - [76] You could of given the isk away in jita or atleast 50% of it... this way you make lots of people happy for 1 person misery
Wrench Head	Posted - 2006.04.26 18:00:00 - [77] Congrats on your wise decision. Your good karma level just went up 1000% "Yes, I am the biggest Tool in the Galaxy" "If it aint broke, I cant fix it"
Irwin	Posted - 2006.04.26 18:49:00 - [78] My good karma level just went down 1billion isk m8 haha. It's a game, just a game and i dont really care... though the moral dilema was interesting. Irwin

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