Take your medication. No, EVE pirates don't do bad things against real people.

Except completely dehumanize the people they're stealing from to disable their self-condemnation of their immoral acts.

Except completely dehumanize the people they're stealing from to disable their self-condemnation of their immoral acts.

Even a logi frigate appearing to be repping you will probably make them choose someone else.

I know that no one will ever be able to convince you that you are wrong. That doesn't relieve those of us who believe in the truth for posting the truth however.

Tell that to the Spanish Galleons of yesteryear. There was a time, when pirates actually had balls.

Actually, I don't think he believes any of this either. If you look at his posting history, he goes all the way back to day 1 on this char whining like a butthurt bittervet, trying to stir up a ****-storm in whatever forum thread interests him du jour.

Meanwhile, when you look at his killboard, from day 1 up until the last week or so he has an unbroken chain of dozens of unfit ship kills in FW plexing systems.

He's pretty clearly the FW plexing alt of a bittervet that is also being used to troll the forums, pretending to be a noob. I'm only bothering to reply because I am bored.

Except completely dehumanize the people they're stealing from to disable their self-condemnation of their immoral acts.

This is incorrect and I explained it already.

Hmm, a barge with 8 turrets and a full compliment of sentry drones.
Sounds like a pretty solid gankship to me.

No, playing a game does not dehumanise anyone, and being able to adjust your morality to fit the context is a sign of health.

I know that no one will ever be able to convince you that you are wrong. That doesn't relieve those of us who believe in the truth for posting the truth however.

The truth is that anyone who believes that a video game player roleplaying a pirate (in a game that celebrates in-game piracy) is in anyway equal to a real life murderer and theif (pirate) is, by definition, a Bad person IRL.

I deal with real bad people IRL and they all have one thing in common: They think they are in someway superior to others despite the fact that they aren't. It's probably why i find your (unreasonable) thinking so....familiar.

I just want to highlight this little bit of butt hurt.

You can tell 2 things from looking into the history of my 'pvp main'. One is I pretty much suck at PVP and two is that I don't pvp much now adays (though roaming with EVe-Radio guys and Sir Squeebles is a lot of fun lol I contribute to my alliance in other ways).

What I HAVE been doing is ungodly loads of PVE since day one (June 21, 2007). I mean a LOT of PVE. If serps, sanshas, Blood Raiders, Guristas, Angels, Rogue Drones and Sleepers were real people, the U.N. would be looking for me to try me for War Crimes in The Hague.

No one ever called what I was doing "sub-human" nor have I ever been ganked, mainly because while I was enjoying my pve I remembered at all times I was still playing a pvp game and didn't complain about people trying to do pvp in a pvp game. I've earned the respect of many a failed ganker/pirate by being a mature adult about things.



That's right. Because they are pirates. You can't expect video game pirates to fight fair any more than you can expect Somali Pirates IRL to attack a United States Carrier Battle Group. Trying to call them video game cowards for role-playing pirates correctly is the only subhuman thing I see here.

Playing a game does not dehumanize anyone, correct. But dehumanizing people with your actions

GǪisn't what happening. Instead, it's people playing against other people in a game GÇö being able to separate game from reality is a very healthy characteristic and is exactly what keeps anyone from dehumanising the other players. Your inability to do so is yet another of your pathologies.

A game where you can make the choice how you wish to play and interact with others.

Eve is all about balance, if you beef up mining ships to have thicker armour, hulls and more offensive slots there will come a point when they stop being mining barges and turn into warships. I don't mind this as such as long as battle barges have progressively smaller ore and cargo bays.

Battleships have small cargo bays compared to their actual sizes as the machinery of war is bulky and requires relatively easy access to repair putting internal space on a premium.

So go ahead put 8 high slots on a barge provided you are happy to accept a 500m3 ore bay and 125m3 cargo bay I won't mind. Performance has to be paid for somewhere.

Finally if miners could fight back against gankers they wouldn't get ganked. This tells you more about gankers than it does about miners.

A game where you can make the choice how you wish to play and interact with others.

Before the DErailment goes too far, to the OP, I couldn't agree more, give the gankers exactly what they want.

Band together with other miners, get in some combat ships and declare war.

Go and fight them. You'll lose a lot of ships (because of experience and skill focus), but you might have a lot of fun.

Gankers are already going to lose their ship, so ship loss isn't important to them. If you can take the attitude that ship loss isn't important to you either, then you might just be the next RvB in the form of GvM.

Tanking ships is the common advice and I totally agree with it. For the solo highsec player, tanking is the best way to beat the gankers. If everyone did it, then the gankers would just figure out a new way to gank, but even that would be good.

Don't complain about needing more tools as you already have access to exactly the same tools used to gank you. More tools isn't what's needed.

A greater tolerance for risk and acceptance that every time you lose a ship it is 100% your own fault are the two things that will better prepare you to avoid being ganked.

Edit: Of course, declaring war on gankers means you have to adjust you play style, which you may not like, especially as everyone can choose what they like in the game and PvE is just a valid form of play as PvP. The above is just a suggestion. You don't need to go declare war and start pvping. However you do need to accept responsibility for the choice and plan accordingly.

It's a discussion about mechanics to beat gankers by beefing up industrials/mining barges (which would then perhaps become the ganking ship of choice).

Ok. We're going down this route again. Any hesitation or evasion on your part will mean that you agree with me in every way and there is no way for you to later lie and try to change your mind. Ok? Ok. Let's go.

When you bluff in poker, does this make you a bad person and a consummate liar in real life? Yes or no.

Lets be honest Tippia and not self delusional.

Lets be honest Tippia and not self delusional.

Some people who gank do attempt to dehumanise the player of their target as a whiner, looser, botter, afk'er, n00b or other such justification which makes it 'fair' for them to gank that particular person rather than other people. Those sort of excuses are dehumanisation.

The ganker who just says 'Yea, you looked handy, it's part of the game, and I enjoy the lols'. Sure, he doesn't dehumanise people. (& some of his targets may turn around and try and dehumanise him back also, that I acknowledge).

But we can't pretend it doesn't happen at all.

Lets be honest Tippia and not self delusional.

Some people who gank do attempt to dehumanise the player of their target as a whiner, looser, botter, afk'er, n00b or other such justification which makes it 'fair' for them to gank that particular person rather than other people. Those sort of excuses are dehumanisation.

The ganker who just says 'Yea, you looked handy, it's part of the game, and I enjoy the lols'. Sure, he doesn't dehumanise people. (& some of his targets may turn around and try and dehumanise him back also, that I acknowledge).

But we can't pretend it doesn't happen at all.

Meh, just let him ramble on. Ever since I completely smashed him in a thread that got deleted he's been super butthurt.

I was just proving him wrong because he was wrong.

The solution to that is not to feed them after the gank.

Just reship and start again.

All too often, the player who has been ganked has an emotional response that results in some truly vile rants in local and by evemail.

Some of those people show that they may have some real issues for the things they respond with.

But, by not feeding the ganker with a response after the gank, for those disturbed gankers (only a small percentage, just the same as there are some disturbed non-gankers in the community), that will remove a large part of the satisfaction they get.

Ok. We're going down this route again. Any hesitation or evasion on your part will mean that you agree with me in every way and there is no way for you to later lie and try to change your mind. Ok? Ok. Let's go.

When you bluff in poker, does this make you a bad person and a consummate liar in real life? Yes or no.