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Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:38:00 -
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If the point of EVE is only PVP and all other activities are boring subhuman tasks.... give The Barges Turrets, Missiles, and a dominix drone bay.
Give the Freighters, and industrials a means to shoot back...
Your telling me that in a future where we can go damn near anywhere in the universe the merchant ships wouldn't have more guns than the Spanish Gold fleets?
..... So yeah, if the gankers are all about 'emergent' gameplay .... they should be campaigning to put a full rack of 8 turrets/missiles on every mining barge and freighter, up the mid slots to allow for EWAR... and deployable point defense systems in the belts.... after all, if we can have a mobile depot... why the hell wouldn't we deploy big ass sentry stations?
..... Oh wait, they only want to shoot targets, not hunt prey capable of being predators. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith
Against ALL Anomalies
165
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:42:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:If the point of EVE is only PVP and all other activities are boring subhuman tasks.... give The Barges Turrets, Missiles, and a dominix drone bay.
Give the Freighters, and industrials a means to shoot back...
Your telling me that in a future where we can go damn near anywhere in the universe the merchant ships wouldn't have more guns than the Spanish Gold fleets?
..... So yeah, if the gankers are all about 'emergent' gameplay .... they should be campaigning to put a full rack of 8 turrets/missiles on every mining barge and freighter, up the mid slots to allow for EWAR... and deployable point defense systems in the belts.... after all, if we can have a mobile depot... why the hell wouldn't we deploy big ass sentry stations?
..... Oh wait, they only want to shoot targets, not hunt prey capable of being predators.
Are you saying that since gankers justify killing miners and haulers because it's PvP, that the miners and haulers should have guns to make what the gankers claim is "PvP" actually become "PvP"?
Sounds win win. They say they do it for the "PvP", so obviously it's what they want. I think everyone wants it.
Lets make it happen. |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1579
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:44:00 -
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The idea of a "Q-Ship", an armed merchant cruiser designed to look like it's a "helpless" hauler, has always been a dream of mine for EVE.
Fortunately, we're having a turnover in "producers" so maybe some bright spark over there in CCP-land will finally seize on the notion.
Until if and when, "Stay Calm, Get a Frig, and Shoot Back".
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3111
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:46:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:If the point of EVE is only PVP and all other activities are boring subhuman tasks.... give The Barges Turrets, Missiles, and a dominix drone bay.
Give the Freighters, and industrials a means to shoot back...
Your telling me that in a future where we can go damn near anywhere in the universe the merchant ships wouldn't have more guns than the Spanish Gold fleets?
..... So yeah, if the gankers are all about 'emergent' gameplay .... they should be campaigning to put a full rack of 8 turrets/missiles on every mining barge and freighter, up the mid slots to allow for EWAR... and deployable point defense systems in the belts.... after all, if we can have a mobile depot... why the hell wouldn't we deploy big ass sentry stations?
..... Oh wait, they only want to shoot targets, not hunt prey capable of being predators.
You need to take that up with the ORE corporation.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Don Purple
Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:51:00 -
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They are prey, a creature that is hunted and killed by another for food, or in this case tasty tears.
I am just here to snuggle. |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
45
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:53:00 -
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Don Purple wrote:They are prey, a creature that is hunted and killed by another for food, or in this case tasty tears.
Tell that to the Spanish Galleons of yesteryear. There was a time, when pirates actually had balls. |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
110
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:54:00 -
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I don't gank, I almost never even go to highsec in the first place, but I would love this. The single biggest frustration with lowsec PvP for me are the farmer twits that don't bring the pew.
Of course, to stop a gank you'll have to shoot first, which is definitely the best possible thing that can happen to a ganker; they will still kill you, but with help from Concord. Unless you are talking about eliminating highsec, which of course is 100% win as far as I am concerned. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith
Against ALL Anomalies
166
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:55:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Don Purple wrote:They are prey, a creature that is hunted and killed by another for food, or in this case tasty tears.
Tell that to the Spanish Galleons of yesteryear. There was a time, when pirates actually had balls.
But challenge is hard |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3111
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:55:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Don Purple wrote:They are prey, a creature that is hunted and killed by another for food, or in this case tasty tears.
Tell that to the Spanish Galleons of yesteryear. There was a time, when pirates actually had balls.
So, you're telling me that you need a ridiculously overpowered ship to fight these people... and they're the ones without any balls?
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
45
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:56:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote:Don Purple wrote:They are prey, a creature that is hunted and killed by another for food, or in this case tasty tears.
Tell that to the Spanish Galleons of yesteryear. There was a time, when pirates actually had balls. So, you're telling me that you need a ridiculously overpowered ship to fight these people... and they're the ones without any balls?
Because your scared of people shooting back at you? |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith
Against ALL Anomalies
168
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:57:00 -
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inb4 1v1 500mil |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3111
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Posted - 2014.03.15 05:58:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote:Don Purple wrote:They are prey, a creature that is hunted and killed by another for food, or in this case tasty tears.
Tell that to the Spanish Galleons of yesteryear. There was a time, when pirates actually had balls. So, you're telling me that you need a ridiculously overpowered ship to fight these people... and they're the ones without any balls? Because your scared of people shooting back at you?
My ship already gets blown up during a gank.
Oh, wait, I get it now. You're asking for the removal of CONCORD, gotcha.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith
Against ALL Anomalies
168
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:02:00 -
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I should be able to pay concord to escort me. So incase I'm attacked the response will be immediate.
Money is suppose to be the primary motivator of everyone, so lets have that same principle apply to the NPCs.
Concord letting itself be given financial incentives to place a higher priority on people resulting in faster response times. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3111
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:03:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I should be able to pay concord to escort me. So incase I'm attacked the response will be immediate.
Money is suppose to be the primary motivator of everyone, so lets have that same principle apply to the NPCs.
Concord letting itself be given financial incentives to place a higher priority on people resulting in faster response times.
Sure, if I can pay them to not show up at all. Fair is fair, right?
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
110
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:04:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I should be able to pay concord to escort me. So incase I'm attacked the response will be immediate.
Money is suppose to be the primary motivator of everyone, so lets have that same principle apply to the NPCs.
Concord letting itself be given financial incentives to place a higher priority on people resulting in faster response times.
Why? You don't even fit your ships. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith
Against ALL Anomalies
168
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:05:00 -
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Miriya Zakalwe wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:I should be able to pay concord to escort me. So incase I'm attacked the response will be immediate.
Money is suppose to be the primary motivator of everyone, so lets have that same principle apply to the NPCs.
Concord letting itself be given financial incentives to place a higher priority on people resulting in faster response times. Why? You don't even fit your ships.
Ships cost money regardless of fittings. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20060
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:05:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:If the point of EVE is only PVP and all other activities are boring subhuman tasks.... give The Barges Turrets, Missiles, and a dominix drone bay. PvP Gëá combat.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
47
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:05:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote:Don Purple wrote:They are prey, a creature that is hunted and killed by another for food, or in this case tasty tears.
Tell that to the Spanish Galleons of yesteryear. There was a time, when pirates actually had balls. So, you're telling me that you need a ridiculously overpowered ship to fight these people... and they're the ones without any balls? Because your scared of people shooting back at you? My ship already gets blown up during a gank. Oh, wait, I get it now. You're asking for the removal of CONCORD, gotcha.
If I could hunt characters with a reputation as Gankers down freely in highsec I would be willing to give up a lot of the effectiveness of concord... because really, the gankers just game that system anyway.
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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith
Against ALL Anomalies
168
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:06:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:I should be able to pay concord to escort me. So incase I'm attacked the response will be immediate.
Money is suppose to be the primary motivator of everyone, so lets have that same principle apply to the NPCs.
Concord letting itself be given financial incentives to place a higher priority on people resulting in faster response times. Sure, if I can pay them to not show up at all. Fair is fair, right?
If I can pay more for them to show up. Sure. It sounds fun. |
Mara Denais
Shadow Runners.
29
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:06:00 -
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Battle badgers
/thread.
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Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
47
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kyperion wrote:If the point of EVE is only PVP and all other activities are boring subhuman tasks.... give The Barges Turrets, Missiles, and a dominix drone bay. PvP Gëá combat.
Tell that to the New Order....
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3113
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:07:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
My ship already gets blown up during a gank.
Oh, wait, I get it now. You're asking for the removal of CONCORD, gotcha.
If I could hunt characters with a reputation as Gankers down freely in highsec I would be willing to give up a lot of the effectiveness of concord... because really, the gankers just game that system anyway.
You already can do that. You can fire on low sec status characters freely.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20062
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:08:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Tell that to the New Order.... No need. Their very existence proves that the two are not the same.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters
3781
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:18:00 -
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Tank your barge or Indy. 90% of people don't bother to.
Put an alt (or friend) in an actual combat ship, close by and ready to either rep or pew the gankers when they go suspect.
It's really not that hard and the mechanics are quite straight forward. It just takes a little effort, planning and friends (or alts). You know, the same three things gankers often employ.
These threads are becoming kinda sad and hard to watch lol Seems a lot of people are just too useless/lazy to go to any effort at all to defend themselves and instead want mechanics changed so they don't need to.
GÖí -á-á Major (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia
Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä
-áHerrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Kaerf Arkanghel
Lusitan Initiative
11
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:27:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:If the point of EVE is only PVP and all other activities are boring subhuman tasks.... give The Barges Turrets, Missiles, and a dominix drone bay.
Give the Freighters, and industrials a means to shoot back...
Your telling me that in a future where we can go damn near anywhere in the universe the merchant ships wouldn't have more guns than the Spanish Gold fleets?
..... So yeah, if the gankers are all about 'emergent' gameplay .... they should be campaigning to put a full rack of 8 turrets/missiles on every mining barge and freighter, up the mid slots to allow for EWAR... and deployable point defense systems in the belts.... after all, if we can have a mobile depot... why the hell wouldn't we deploy big ass sentry stations?
..... Oh wait, they only want to shoot targets, not hunt prey capable of being predators.
new gameplay, gankers will now use the "buffed" Freighters and Industrials to gank you.
Just Add Water |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
110
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:43:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Tank your barge or Indy. 90% of people don't bother to.
Put an alt (or friend) in an actual combat ship, close by and ready to either rep or pew the gankers when they go suspect.
Best advice ever, especially the part I emphasized. You're not going to stop a gank by shooting. You're going to stop it by making them gank someone else.
Even a logi frigate appearing to be repping you will probably make them choose someone else. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
5055
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:51:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:If the point of EVE is only PVP and all other activities are boring subhuman tasks....
I just want to highlight this little bit of butt hurt.
You can tell 2 things from looking into the history of my 'pvp main'. One is I pretty much suck at PVP and two is that I don't pvp much now adays (though roaming with EVe-Radio guys and Sir Squeebles is a lot of fun lol I contribute to my alliance in other ways).
What I HAVE been doing is ungodly loads of PVE since day one (June 21, 2007). I mean a LOT of PVE. If serps, sanshas, Blood Raiders, Guristas, Angels, Rogue Drones and Sleepers were real people, the U.N. would be looking for me to try me for War Crimes in The Hague.
No one ever called what I was doing "sub-human" nor have I ever been ganked, mainly because while I was enjoying my pve I remembered at all times I was still playing a pvp game and didn't complain about people trying to do pvp in a pvp game. I've earned the respect of many a failed ganker/pirate by being a mature adult about things.
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..... Oh wait, they only want to shoot targets, not hunt prey capable of being predators.
That's right. Because they are pirates. You can't expect video game pirates to fight fair any more than you can expect Somali Pirates IRL to attack a United States Carrier Battle Group. Trying to call them video game cowards for role-playing pirates correctly is the only subhuman thing I see here. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith
Against ALL Anomalies
176
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:55:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
That's right. Because they are pirates. You can't expect video game pirates to fight fair any more than you can expect Somali Pirates IRL to attack a United States Carrier Battle Group. Trying to call them video game cowards for role-playing pirates correctly is the only subhuman thing I see here.
This is true, because both types of pirates, EvE and somali ship pirates, are bad people who do bad things against other real people. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20065
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:00:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:This is true, because both types of pirates, EvE and somali ship pirates, are bad people who do bad things against other real people.
Take your medication. No, EVE pirates don't do bad things against real people.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.03.15 07:03:00 -
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Give Gankers what the want!
OK!
Give them NPC Miners!
No-Shootback-garantee!
As long as ganker is in the system automated Message will send "all hail to my ganker" and "i am unworthy!" |
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