haha, yea you were totally right in that thread where you were talking about how you want to win an award for all the ****-posting you do.

If there's ever an election for it, I'll vote for you, to help you out.

because actively having to defend themselves is beyond the ability of most high sec residents.

This is sarcasm, yes?

This is sarcasm, yes?

....Again, it is a ******* asinine bullshit concept for gameplay mechanics to suggest 'your best option is not to fight' ....

Especially in a "sandbox".... especially in a sandbox that roughly mimics the Joker's ideal universe.

Then fight.

That is also perfectly valid and possible within the game as it currently stands.

You don't need more tools. You just need to make the decision to use the current ones.

If you don't want to tank in order to survive, then fight. It's really quite simple. There are plenty of ships and modules for those ships that allow you to go on the offence.

There are also the mechanics of wardecs that allow you to engage anyone you want in highsec.

So declare war and fit some pvp ships and go blow stuff up and die.

That's the way many people play the game.

You aren't forced to do one thing or the other. You can do whatever you like and every choice we make has consequences. Accept those and do what you want.

Troll

Sadly I fear even I can't win that. There are others perhaps more deserving and since I'm all for the deserving, they should have it.

But thanks for the vote. That means a lot after the recent discussions we've had. Your support is greatly appreciated.

My point is, EVE is not a sandbox as long as you don't have the utility to do all of that in a mining vessel.

My point is, EVE is not a sandbox as long as you don't have the utility to do all of that in a mining vessel... should it be an offensive powerhouse... probably not, but at the very least it should be able to go toe to toe with a couple of ships the same way any other ship in this dystopian universe can.

We are talking about a society with little or no rules, so artificially making a solo ship weak is ******* stupid....

Because my idea of 'defending myself' includes the idea of killing the bastard shooting at me before the police get there.

then take a ship with guns, instead of whining on the forums.

"it's not a true sandbox unless I can mine with a battleship that's fit to be able to wipe out gankers while getting protection from concord"

CCP should give us a true sandbox, no concord, no sec status, nothing but to judge another with pure reputation
I suppose that's what you want OP? maybe then you'll show dem gankers who's boss!

but maybe if CCP actually changed ganking so it isn't so binary (they would have to remove concord and change the system) but that will never happen, because even if after a gank you somehow got empowered by the space police (+300% dmg, +300% shield recharge etc.) you would still rather whine than do something about it.

Because high sec residents (I know because I "live" there) are out for themselves not each other, they don't care if their "neighbors" lose billions of isk in a gank or w/e, as long as it doesn't happen to them it's alright! but when it does happen to them, well we get people like the OP and all the whining threads.

You are an idiot... the whole premise of this post is to get more real PVP, and less whiney New Order bitches like yourself

Well, since your premise - gank targets being able to fight off gankers and mine at the same time - implies that you be able to shoot first to stop gankers, that means you are in favor of eliminating Concord action, which is tantamount to eliminating highsec.

I agree completely. Highsec delenda est!

@ Kyperion:

I'm confused.

You are saying you think a Venture, for example, should be able to fit for full mining, and still have slots available to perform as a full dedicated combat vessel, simultaneously?

So that this Venture can mine at full capacity, and at the same time kill fully fitted combat vessels?

Yes. That makes sense... it does not make sense to have, build or fly defenseless (IE non-lethal) ships in this kind of Dystopian setting



But perhaps have it function like bastion mode (for a frigate more speed/agility, for a Barge/Exhumer more tank and the capability to use stripminers as weapons or fit weapons), and the act of fighting forces you to win or die.

Yes. That makes sense... it does not make sense to have, build or make defenseless (IE non-lethal) ships in this kind of Dystopian setting

Can you explain to me the sense in a resource/freight ship being able to perform its non-combat role at full capacity, while simultaneously performing a combat role at full capacity?

You don't think that there should be a reciprocal tradeoff in capacity to perform either role?

Except completely dehumanize the people they're stealing from to disable their self-condemnation of their immoral acts.

Actually, we are playing in real life. You might be sending your mind forth into whatever fictional world you're imagining, but your person is still anchored within "real life".

That's the problem with the whole disconnection you have. You think your actions against other people aren't being performed on real people because the setting is in a video game. But those characters are real people just like you, anchored in reality.

The whole point of a video game is to escape from reality for a while, even role players will tell you that the player and the characters are not the same person. This extends to other walks of life too, Patrick Stewart is not the same as Jean Luc Picard.