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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:17:00 -
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I dont get it. earlier( like a year ago), obvious problems got fixed rather quickly. I dont mean balancing problems but obvious flaws in the code. Customers have have been raising issues (again not balacing but code flaws) for at least half a year and in many instances longer. We get told (on rare occasions when a dev ventures into a thread) that yah its so simple, we know its a problem, and we are working on it. Yet three months later or six, nothing
Just a couple of examples. Force reson. Not able to fit both cynos field gen and cloack. Advanced drone interfacing, what are you going to with it?.
What about the dev blogs, almost nothing in the last 2-3 months. Yah sure the occasional im sorry for being absent, but what can the players use that for. What i think is that CCP is putting all of their effort into the China cluster, and leaving all the old customers on hold. And i understand that it is important for CCP, but comeon, dont alleinate your true believers.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:19:00 -
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Not in the loop I take it?
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Pika Eadesso
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:20:00 -
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If that was enterly true you would have to pay for Kali and probably would have had to pay for RMR.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:25:00 -
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 Originally by: King Leia
I dont get it. earlier( like a year ago), obvious problems got fixed rather quickly. I dont mean balancing problems but obvious flaws in the code. Customers have have been raising issues (again not balacing but code flaws) for at least half a year and in many instances longer. We get told (on rare occasions when a dev ventures into a thread) that yah its so simple, we know its a problem, and we are working on it. Yet three months later or six, nothing
Just a couple of examples. Force reson. Not able to fit both cynos field gen and cloack. Advanced drone interfacing, what are you going to with it?.
What about the dev blogs, almost nothing in the last 2-3 months. Yah sure the occasional im sorry for being absent, but what can the players use that for. What i think is that CCP is putting all of their effort into the China cluster, and leaving all the old customers on hold. And i understand that it is important for CCP, but comeon, dont alleinate your true believers.
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Total dross imo.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:30:00 -
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Patches dont magic themselves into being, they take time and manpower, the OP seems to have a distinct lack of patience.
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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:31:00 -
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lol, Pika
First of all, having been in this game with two charectes for more than two years, I dont think thats a valid argument. We are paying for updates on a regular basis. Even if I had only one charecter, i could have bought a new game every 3 months.
That said, i would never do that because i think CCP and are the best ever. But i am disappointed in their effort in solving obvious problems
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Dolpheus
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:34:00 -
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Well of COURSE they are in it for the money. They are a company, their job is to make money. That being said, being in it for the money is not a bad thing. In order to make money they need to keep their customer base and preferably attract new customers. Providing a good product and customer servers are essential to making the money.
I wish I knew why it took MMOs so long to fix errors but im not a programer so I give them the benifit of doubt. What i can tell you is that this is not exlusive to EVE. Just about every MMO I played had some long standing issue that seemed so simple yet took forever to fix (Arcane Missles ring a bell for any WOW players out there)
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:34:00 -
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they are a company 
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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:36:00 -
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Even though those two problems i have raised (amd we could go on and on) is just an example, they have been on the forrum for ages (eve time) and NOTHING has happened? Why i ask, tired of that state of mind from CCP. They obviously want this game yo last for many years, to do that listen to the customers
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aggiedog
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:37:00 -
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Does anyone have a job or business in which they aren't trying to make money?
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Pika Eadesso
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:39:00 -
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King: It is a valid argument. Considering these are not passed out as patches but as expansions, they could go the SOE or EA way and make you pay through the nose for little content. Where as CCP are giving away more content than you usually see in most retail expansions for nothing other than a dodgy patch day.
Sure you pay your monthly fee, but you do this with any MMO, wich would probably then demad you pay for their expansions (Look at SWG: Rage of the wookiee, nothing there, cost ú25 if I recall).
You pay to keep their servers going, to pay their wages and pay for the production of the FREE expansions.
CCP are a company, and their goal, as such, is to turn a profit. Playing a game like EVE you should actually know that.
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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:40:00 -
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lol
Of course i know that CCP has to earn dow. But all im saying is that they might putting their eggs in the wrong basket (or least that they should put some more eggs in another). I have noticed for the last half year that nothing of obvious are getting solved. Am i wrong?
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tehyarec on 27/04/2006 19:44:06
Some bugs indeed should be simple to fix yet nothing appears to be happening to them, and in general there's a surprisingly large amount of bugs compared to most games I play - but then again, I haven't played other MMORPGs so don't know the situation in them. But for example Battlefield 2 that I've played a lot wasn't, and isn't, exactly problem-free either... oh, the days when games didn't need patching 
In any case, I don't think they're only in it for the money, but I do hope they can sort their stuff sorted out soon so they can get the backstories and events running and the bugs fixed.
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Pika Eadesso
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:45:00 -
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For an MMO, EVE Online is actually VERY stable and mostly bug free (70% of the problems i'v seen are linked to lag issues rather than the game itself).
Though what are these "Major issues" that have been around forever? Are they gameplay flaws? Bugs? A lagtastic spuot of gankiness? :)
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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:47:00 -
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Pika
You are right in so many ways, but one i think. This is not WWW, this is eve, and i fully believe and hope and will stay in no matter what CCP does. WWW will be gone in a year or two, Eve wont hopefully, and therefore i belive its important for CCP to lten a little, which are not for the moment (they use to)
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:48:00 -
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Problems which are obvious to you are not always obvious to the programmers nor are they usually a priority.
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Nolee Fu
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:48:00 -
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King have you ever thought that maybe they are crunching for Kali, and obviously there will be new bugs when Kali is released (1 to 2 months time i believe). They will most likely take care of such things after Kali is released, and they can see what effect the new expansion has. Stop being a whiny, impatient 12 yr old and grow up.
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Bruce Leeroy
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:49:00 -
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You mean, 'oh the days when games couldn't be patched feasibly'. It was a time that led to better QA and not treating your paying customers as beta testers.
That being said, -if- CCP is spending more time on the China Cluster ... GOOD. If they have their own, we won't have to deal with near as many macro miners, which is something they can't really patch-fix out of existance.
We'll get our fixes soon I'm sure. 
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:49:00 -
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china
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Fortior
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Fortior on 27/04/2006 19:53:21
Originally by: King Leia
I dont get it. earlier( like a year ago), obvious problems got fixed rather quickly. I dont mean balancing problems but obvious flaws in the code. Customers have have been raising issues (again not balacing but code flaws) for at least half a year and in many instances longer. We get told (on rare occasions when a dev ventures into a thread) that yah its so simple, we know its a problem, and we are working on it. Yet three months later or six, nothing
Just a couple of examples. Force reson. Not able to fit both cynos field gen and cloack. Advanced drone interfacing, what are you going to with it?.
What about the dev blogs, almost nothing in the last 2-3 months. Yah sure the occasional im sorry for being absent, but what can the players use that for. What i think is that CCP is putting all of their effort into the China cluster, and leaving all the old customers on hold. And i understand that it is important for CCP, but comeon, dont alleinate your true believers.
Signers are very welcome
I think it's a balancing act between the seriousness of the bugs and the work required to get rid of them. For instance, textures for Amarr ships and stations have been flickering since the dawn of time. I bet they still get multiple bugreports about that every day. The bug has been there forever, people have whined about the bug forever, but it's still there. Why? Appearently the problem is rooted so deeply in the Trinity engine that getting rid of it would require a complete overhaul (yay Kali! ). Perhaps it's the same way with Force Recons?
It all comes down to allocation of resources between the different projects. If the return is too small compared to the work needed and they have bigger, more rewarding things to do, I think I know how things would go.
EDIT: And BTW, IIRC CCP Iceland (our sweet sweet devs) have next to nothing to do with EVE China. It's mostly a company that bought the license to run EVE China that does every thing. And no dev blogs in 2-3 months? WTF?
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Pika Eadesso
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:54:00 -
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Question king: Whats WWW?
You mean the internet? The Web? I.. very much doubt thats going to die in the next year. Or do you mean WoW? Cuase I never once mentioned WoW or Blizzard O.o
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King Leia
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:56:00 -
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Bruce
No i dont mean that. Im a charecter from the beta time where fixes wher quick. Its not like that anymore. It can easily take several months nowadys to fix something CCP gave out in bonuses or whatever, which pod charecters train for. And then it nots there?. Fine, if CCP thinks it will unbalance things, then dont release it. If it is major code prblem, either fix it or dont release it. But dont let the pod pilots hanging in mid air
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:58:00 -
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CCP have always been in it for the money, thats why the company exists...
daaa
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:03:00 -
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King, some of the points in your close, but not entirely on the mark. Dev blogs have not been coming with the same frequency as they have in past months, but that is more due to travel, illness and busy schedules, rather than apathy. Blogs are still being posted at an average of once or twice a week, and Tuxford has a blog in the works.
E3 has been a big time and resource sink. CCP has not had a presence at E3 for the past 2 years, and this year, we are making a splash, touting the forthcoming expansion and the graphics updates to the client. There are a lot of 'behind the scenes' tasks that need to be completed for an endeavor of this sort.
Testing and bugs, this is an area where Serenity has taken up resources. Unfortunately, we have the resources for only 1 large scale test server, and Singularity has been pulling double duty hosting the code for Serenity's initial testing. Serenity's permanent home is coming online and we will be able to resume patch testing in Singularity in the very near future.
Since Serenity is reaching the point of public testing and Optic will be taking up their share of the workload, the resources that were dedicated to getting Serenity off the ground will be returning to Tranquility. A patch is scheduled for deployment within the next few weeks and Kali is under development.
It has been a busy time of year, I think the only time we have been doing more was just before EVE going live for the first time 3 years ago. Things will return to normal in the very near future.
kieron
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Altaree
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:06:00 -
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Don't forget, the eve test cluster has been a bit busy. They can't push anything to TQ without it going through the test cluster. With the test cluster being down, only the most serious bugs will be fixed. i.e. Downtime/exploit producing bugs. It is just to risky to "hotfix" a gameplay bug that doesn't effect 80%+ of the playerbase. Now, the question of why they don't have a test cluster deserves a whole other thread.
--Altaree
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:09:00 -
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so the chinamen are the reason for the delay. props for honesty. how many other game companies are that straightforward?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifae
so the chinamen are the reason for the delay. props for honesty. how many other game companies are that straightforward?
I'm sure there are loads of them! There's.... .. hmm.. Well there's... .. no ... Oh! There's .... hmm.
OK you got me, CCP <3
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Bertram Vetold
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifae
so the chinamen are the reason for the delay. props for honesty. how many other game companies are that straightforward?
Certainly not the Evil Alliance. 
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KaraThrace
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:33:00 -
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Well if things return to normal in a few months im happy, I dont want you devs to let EVE die..........Freelancer
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Brem Watson
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Posted - 2006.04.27 20:40:00 -
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It's good these guys are taking they're time in making sure we can love this game.
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