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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:36:00 -
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i know that caldari are not only missiles and that i have to accept im totaly screwed not having railgun skilz.
BUT the tier 3 caldari battle ship should not be a railgun boat.
neather should it be a missile boat becouse we olrady have one.
it should be a shield tanking boat! yes!
give it very big shield hitpoints
give it a fat shield tanking ship bonus
give it alot of med slots.
give it few low slot
give it very few armour hitpoints
maybe it should have like 5missile launcher 5 railgun or 6 railgun 5 missile launcher? a mix of it.
becouse we orlady got enough caldari pilots flying caldari ships if u make it a railgun boat with the slots balanced like the moa has u will be able to fit a full rack of EW in med slots and armour tank in low and railguns on high, the perfect ship for the gallante? good pvp ship for the amarr?
the moa also has shield tanking bonus so does the tier frigate, if u look at the roles it just needs to be a shield tanker.
the raven is high damage dealing
the scorpion is EW
the *new one* is tanking
so from now on where not going to call it the railgun boat but the shield-tanking boat 
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:41:00 -
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Your race uses both missiles and rails.
You have a rail frig.
You have a rail cruiser.
You have a T2 rail frig.
You have a T2 rail cruiser.
You have a BC that uses missiles OR rails.
See the pattern?
You have no BS that uses rails. But soon you will.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:44:00 -
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TBH I have no doubt it will have missile slots, and all the missile-only Caldari will use them.
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:46:00 -
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rails rails rails rails
bah still i wil be using blasters on it .... :))
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:52:00 -
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What we probably will see is a ship a la the Ferox that can fit either rails or missiles and has enough grid and cpu to do either, meaning it will be as easy to fit as a Ferox and most likely people will use it as an armor tanked EW railboat with huge cap issues...
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HypnotiX
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:55:00 -
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can you say overpowered?
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:56:00 -
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Whoa ... a lot of the complaints I see on this board about the Raven are whines about its "too strong tank that can have a full gank on top" ... and you want a better tanker than that ?.?
Both the current Caldari BSes are good tankers, and with a nice fitting they can be tremendous tankers ... no need for another one ... but the Caldari arsenal lacks a BS-sized railboat, that we have in all the other ship sizes.
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Dawson
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:06:00 -
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Yeah the great thing about caldari at the moment is there ability to "tank n gank" problem is all the Caldari BS sized ships dont do insta damage, which everyone wants.
I donno about you lot but when I first played this game I trained alot of gunnery skills. I remember when I used to use lasers on my raven. Now over time thats been pushed out with nerfs & missle changes etc.
This ment I was forced to train the missle skills with all my gunery doing jack. Atlast I will be able to use them proply once again!
And all your guys moaning about not having any gunnery skills, alot of people had to train both, count your self lucky you can jump into a raven with next to no skills and use missles. Its about time they made you train other things like the rest of us.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:17:00 -
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a ferox it is then
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bumcheekcity
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Dawson
And all your guys moaning about not having any gunnery skills, alot of people had to train both, count your self lucky you can jump into a raven with next to no skills and use missles. Its about time they made you train other things like the rest of us.
Wait, this is just a lie. To get Cruise Missiles, you need Missile Launcher Operation 5, of course. You'll need Cruise Missiles to 3 to be doing major damage, and you'll need the 4 or 5 support skills up to 3 at least to be doing damage.
with large guns, you need Gunnery 5, of course. Large Gun to 3 will be necessary, and the 5 or 6 support skills to 3 to be doing major damage...
See? Same amount of skills, in my view.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: The Wizz117 on 28/04/2006 13:29:27
Originally by: bumcheekcity
Originally by: Dawson
And all your guys moaning about not having any gunnery skills, alot of people had to train both, count your self lucky you can jump into a raven with next to no skills and use missles. Its about time they made you train other things like the rest of us.
Wait, this is just a lie. To get Cruise Missiles, you need Missile Launcher Operation 5, of course. You'll need Cruise Missiles to 3 to be doing major damage, and you'll need the 4 or 5 support skills up to 3 at least to be doing damage.
with large guns, you need Gunnery 5, of course. Large Gun to 3 will be necessary, and the 5 or 6 support skills to 3 to be doing major damage...
See? Same amount of skills, in my view.
no it is not becouse if u have gunnery 5 that can also be used for pulse beam hybrid blaster and railgun autocannon.
same goes for the support skilz
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2006.04.28 13:32:00 -
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U think missiles and guns require the same amount of skils? Why dont u compare the skill requirements of tech2 large guns to tech2 siege. Not so similar now are they?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:16:00 -
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"it should be a shield tanking boat! yes!"
She's likely getting 7 mids.
You could tank a team of drunken Amarr cricket players looking for a *****house, with that...
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Niques Leutre
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:17:00 -
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Too many people whining... missile *****s already have their ships, and good ones too. Plus you're getting the new BC. Don't forget that people have been mounting missiles on railboats (Moa, Ferox) with a high degree of success.
Accept that you can't have everything in the universe and move along.
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Posted - 2006.04.28 14:52:00 -
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It seems to me that if the Caldari get a rail BS they will be the uber-race. They will have essentially no weak points and no downside. Sure there will be a lot of training involved, but eventually most people will have the skills. Train missiles to dominate at first, then move to guns as time permits. Also, us poor Matari pilots have to train like crazy too, and thatÆs just to use one BS well; I have little sympathy for those who are moaning about having to train a long time to use two.
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:18:00 -
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Rails? Pfft blasters it is. Caldari are yet to have a true close range ship. 6 ot blasters adn some nos with a mega like setup and caldari will be pimpin.
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J'val Iktar
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Your race uses both missiles and rails.
You have a rail frig.
You have a rail cruiser.
You have a T2 rail frig.
You have a T2 rail cruiser.
You have a BC that uses missiles OR rails.
See the pattern?
You have no BS that uses rails. But soon you will.
I see the pattern and it is ships with near split hardpoints between rails and missles.
Merlin => 2r/2m
Moa => 4r/2m
Ferox => 5r/5m
Scorpian => 4r/4m
Raven => 4r/6m
The tier3 rail battleship should have 6r/4m. Anything else would be going against the Caldari pattern of split rail/missle slots.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: J'val Iktar
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Your race uses both missiles and rails.
You have a rail frig.
You have a rail cruiser.
You have a T2 rail frig.
You have a T2 rail cruiser.
You have a BC that uses missiles OR rails.
See the pattern?
You have no BS that uses rails. But soon you will.
I see the pattern and it is ships with near split hardpoints between rails and missles.
Merlin => 2r/2m
Moa => 4r/2m
Ferox => 5r/5m
Scorpian => 4r/4m
Raven => 4r/6m
The tier3 rail battleship should have 6r/4m. Anything else would be going against the Caldari pattern of split rail/missle slots.
Think ill prefer 6 launchers to 6 turrets and stick with the Raven. What would be the point of training all those hybrid skills just to be able to do instant damage?
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:44:00 -
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All Caldari pilots that havent trained their Hybrid skills should stand in a corner and be ashamed.
Now, I am very exited about a Caldari Railboat...I am not that exited that its gonna be a sniper doing less dmg then a Megathron tho.
Whit T2 ammo the Mega get the same range anyways so why bother. Do you guys remember when the Scorp had shield+range bonuses? Yes, it was a great tanker but sucked dmg wise (just as now but whitout shields).
Give it ROF or dmg bonuses togheter whit shield or tracking and I might fly that instead of a T2 fitted Megathron...
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J'val Iktar
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Think ill prefer 6 launchers to 6 turrets and stick with the Raven. What would be the point of training all those hybrid skills just to be able to do instant damage? Minmatar ships are best as snipers anyway...
The point would be for the sexy range bonus which the Caldari ship is sure to get, also to give people who can only fly Caldari bs something to use in fleets.
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Winter Star
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:54:00 -
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Heh funny...... Until now all i've seen is Railboot! \o/ YaY! railboat i want railboat!
We finally get told it will be a railboat and people start whinging, hillarious  .. *sigh*
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:55:00 -
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Can't wait til lthey release the railgun platform bs, gonna mke caladari side of me useful 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.28 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX
All Caldari pilots that havent trained their Hybrid skills should stand in a corner and be ashamed.
Exactly.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Winter Star
Heh funny...... Until now all i've seen is Railboot! \o/ YaY! railboat i want railboat!
We finally get told it will be a railboat and people start whinging, hillarious .. *sigh*
Yeah its kinda disapointing is it not...when i wanted to use a rail armed BS iwent and trained to fly mega.
So i have sod all smypathy for the training time whiners...
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.04.28 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: The Wizz117 on 28/04/2006 16:57:47
funny
there are still people thinking this topic is aboud skill training time. and exactly those wo say that dont back up theyr posts with numbers/good arguments.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.04.28 17:06:00 -
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Because no1 wants yet another split-weapon piece of crap so that wusses with only missile skills can be satisfied. you already have the raven. we want a railboat. please go away.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2006.04.28 18:26:00 -
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I'm with woever said that the caldari dont deserve an awesome rail boat. Sure its perfectly in keeping with their other ship types, but why should the caldari have the best of everything.
Best EW,SCORPION ( PvP fight winner if i ever i saw one)
Best missiles RAVEN( best missions and dsepsite what people say absolutley lethal in small gang fights)
Now they want the best rail sniper too. Going on the theory that its gonna have one extra slot and a typical 6/4 turret missile split, and presumably a 10% optimal bonus same as all their other rail boats, its gonna be a 7 mid slot uber shield tanked long range death machine. And if that dont suit ya fit dual 250 rails with anti-matter and have an uber shield tanked close range death machine. And it'll prolly be no great stretch to convert it to blasters either. Big optimal bonus with Null ammo, 30km balsters anyone? There'll be almost no point flying any othe race, caldari will have every market cornered.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.04.28 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
Edited by: The Wizz117 on 28/04/2006 16:57:47
funny
there are still people thinking this topic is aboud skill training time. and exactly those wo say that dont back up theyr posts with numbers/good arguments.
Then explain why you don't want a rail boat?
Oh sorry you have already let it slip in other threads, you have not trained up rails or do not want to train up rails...tough
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.04.28 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: fkingfurious
I'm with woever said that the caldari dont deserve an awesome rail boat. Sure its perfectly in keeping with their other ship types, but why should the caldari have the best of everything.
Best EW,SCORPION ( PvP fight winner if i ever i saw one)
Best missiles RAVEN( best missions and dsepsite what people say absolutley lethal in small gang fights)
Now they want the best rail sniper too. Going on the theory that its gonna have one extra slot and a typical 6/4 turret missile split, and presumably a 10% optimal bonus same as all their other rail boats, its gonna be a 7 mid slot uber shield tanked long range death machine. And if that dont suit ya fit dual 250 rails with anti-matter and have an uber shield tanked close range death machine. And it'll prolly be no great stretch to convert it to blasters either. Big optimal bonus with Null ammo, 30km balsters anyone? There'll be almost no point flying any othe race, caldari will have every market cornered.
I must have missed our fantasic drone boat then...Actually i just want i ship in the BS class that is worth fitting rails to you know our other MAIN weapon...
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Posted - 2006.04.28 18:51:00 -
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What have drones got to do with it? What other race has access to 3 such different and yet perfectly specialised battleships?
Matar : Phoon- Guns/guns (soon to be missiles)
Pest- Guns/guns
Gallente: Dom- Guns/drones
Mega- Guns/guns
Amarr: Geddon- Guns/guns
Apoc- Guns/tank
Caldari: Scorp EW/EW
Raven- Missiles/missiles
Tier3- Rails/rails if the caldari have their way.
So that gives the caldari 3 completely different highly specialised highly effective ships for the same bs skill, where every other race gets variations on a theme.
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