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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17208
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:06:00 -
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Steve Dolk wrote:I'm a miner and I have always been - and I like it. I like collecting stuff, so seing my ore hold being filled makes me happy. I don't see the need to hate miners - we are the back bone of Eve, without us there would be nothing to fly around in.
It's kinda boring, yes, but it's our own choice, so no need to go kill someone who can't fight back. Go find some others in combat ships and go play -pew pew pew- with them.
- Steve Miners can fight back, it's called making yourself an unattractive target by being hard to kill.
I've ganked miners with others on another character, I associate with people who gank miners because they're good for my income via the market demands they trigger. Most of them will tell you the following:
If you're flying a ship that requires too much investment or effort to gank you'll generally be left alone, unless of course you make yourself a target through other means, like being a gobshite.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2617
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:08:00 -
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Find me and try to gank me. If you are successful you will see zero tears. You know why? I know the exact environment I play within.
P.S. The fact that you 'hate' individuals for playing differently says more about you then it does about us miners. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17208
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:11:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Find me and try to gank me. If you are successful you will see zero tears. You know why? I know the exact environment I play within. Same, if you want my mining ship dead, it's going to cost you, at the very least, the replacement value of my ship, and it's fittings.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Volar Kang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:12:00 -
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Wall of text hits you for 1,000,000,000 damage. (Sorry for the rant, I'm in a weird mood today)
Your issue is the same issue that our world leaders suffer from. You lack the understanding to deal with the fact that not everyone likes what you like, not everyone wants to do what you want to do and not everyone thinks the same way you think. Someone practices a different religion than you? Attack them! Someone wants to live in peace and not fight? Attack them. Someone wants to mind his own business and mine a bit while he prepares for his college class and reads a textbook? Attack him!
Aggressive people have always attacked non-aggressive people. Look at all the attacks and suffering that Gandhi suffered through his life. He never raised a hand against anyone. As humans, it is our nature to fight each other and try and control others around us. Eve is a great example of the hopelessness of the human condition. Given the chance, we will steal from those who have not taken from us, insult those who have not insulted us and we will destroy those who have not wronged us.
Why do people hate miners? Because they are different and enjoy a different play style. We hate everything that is not like us because we are scared that if other ideas or religions or even game play styles are not like ours, those may become the norm and the one I enjoy may become the odd or underappreciated one.
Ask yourself why people attack defenseless ships, it proves nothing. Why do elite PVPers like to blow up ships that can not fire back at them, it proves nothing. Why do people like it when they induce rage in others, again it does not prove anything. You earn no honor, you prove no skill, the only benefit is the enjoyment of human suffering and the chance to earn a few credits in a game. You can say you are teaching players to tank better or that you are roleplaying a pirate but those are excuses. No one asked to be taught how to tank. If you want to teach then join Eve Uni and teach people who actually want to learn. If you want to play a pirate go to lowsec and prey on people who are expecting you and have accepted the risk of pirates by journeying into your space.
Given the chance and removing the negative consequences, a great many of us would choose to inflict pain on others in order to enforce our ideas or beliefs. Miners make easy targets and allow us to tap into that evil part inside of us that we refuse to admit we have. Why is Russia invading the Ukraine? Because Russia feels the US is weak under Obama and that it will not suffer any consequences. Since Eve offers very little in the area of consequences, the same thing happens here, take from others, cause them pain and beat chest to show the world you are the superior ones.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3092
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:14:00 -
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Mining is about the only thing in EvE that I've never done and have no interest in even trying.
I fear what I don't understand.
That makes me angry.
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350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:16:00 -
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Prince Sanguine wrote:I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.
The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?
Why do you hate miners?
"Mom, no! Everyone at school picks on the P+¦pli kids..even I do. [under her breath] I just hate them so much. " |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
204
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:17:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I don't hate them as such, I've been one. What I do hate is the attitude towards other players that the most vocal seem to have, especially when it comes to them not being able to play Eve with zero interference from others.
The meta statement here seems like the indellible mark of a true sociopath/narcissist. It irritates you that so are so unimportant to others in plain view that you force yourself on them so they have to acknowledge your existence. You then become relevant, you matter. Then to avoid looking like an ass you transfer responsibility for your asshattery to them. This manifests as bullshit statements like, "they didn't tank their ship," "they consent to pvp by undocking," and "i am just using known game mechanics," "they are probably botters," etc.
In reality you are the *******, not them. They play as they like and bother no one. In your desire to be notorious, powerful, and relevant you cannot bring yourself to leave them alone. They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs. |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:18:00 -
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No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp
No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear
Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.
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Spurty
V0LTA
Triumvirate.
1275
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:18:00 -
[39] - Quote
Mining part of eve is equivalent to loot spew.
You can see why it's there but no one likes it.
Consider every kill mail a player achievement.
Make asteroids kick out kill mails and suddenly, 1,000 times more interesting.
CCP can solve many mining woes with little updates like recording this data. Helpful for all as content is created (I can figure out hoe to use that data anyways and there's far brighter out there).
Don't hate miners. Dislike CCP version of this part of their Ip.
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
1097
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:19:00 -
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Who gives a flying fu*k why you hate or like anything?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
206
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:22:00 -
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Ohh, and in before the lock for trolling. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17211
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:27:00 -
[42] - Quote
Shizuken wrote:They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs. Actually they do, I mine occasionally, as such other miners are competition, every roid they mine out is one I don't get to mine. I also do small scale industry, producing small ships, modules and rigs, as such I'm competing with people who see their minerals as free and undercut my prices, and thus my income.
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had, no matter how indirect.
You'll also find that a decent percentage of gankers have alts that are either trading or producing the very ships and modules that their trade creates a demand for.
Eve is a cutthroat business, deal with it 
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
Easily Excited
888
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:28:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp
No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear
Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.
Gunmining. Reprocessing loots. Salvaging post-human wrecks.
"CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Winchester Steele
410
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:28:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I don't hate them as such, I've been one. What I do hate is the attitude towards other players that the most vocal seem to have, especially when it comes to them not being able to play Eve with zero interference from others. The meta statement here seems like the indellible mark of a true sociopath/narcissist. It irritates you that so are so unimportant to others in plain view that you force yourself on them so they have to acknowledge your existence. You then become relevant, you matter. Then to avoid looking like an ass you transfer responsibility for your asshattery to them. This manifests as bullshit statements like, "they didn't tank their ship," "they consent to pvp by undocking," and "i am just using known game mechanics," "they are probably botters," etc. In reality you are the *******, not them. They play as they like and bother no one. In your desire to be notorious, powerful, and relevant you cannot bring yourself to leave them alone. They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs.
Actually they do interfere with my playstyle with their incessant whinging on the forums. It's not my fault that you and your ilk are playing the wrong game. HTFU.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Prince Sanguine
113
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:31:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:On behalf of all the miners you hate, I've place a 100mill bounty on you to keep you from getting bored.  (And if this counts as griefing, then I quit. It's my isk and I can use it any way I like)
Only 100 million? Try a billion. Go big or go home.
Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me. |
Winchester Steele
410
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Altessa Post wrote:I hate tear collectors with a passion. There is no need for it. I do not even believe (most) of you that you derive joy from harassing others. You probably do this out of boredom/lack of imagination. Yet, you diminish the joy others have in playing a game. Plus, you probably have an impact on the user base. I could imagine that there are less people playing EVE than there would be without you.
How do you live with yourselves? You hate someone over internet pixels. How do YOU live with yourself? The same way I do; with a smile.
Wait wait. Aren't you the idiot constantly blurfing about gankers and bumpers being sociopaths? The irony, it is delicious.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Doireen Kaundur
300
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:32:00 -
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Prince Sanguine wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:On behalf of all the miners you hate, I've place a 100mill bounty on you to keep you from getting bored. (And if this counts as griefing, then I quit. It's my isk and I can use it any way I like) Only 100 million? Try a billion. Go big or go home.
Oh oh..looks like someone is going ot cry. Bounty tears are the new flavor of tears in EVE. 
Well you all heard him. The OP wants more bounties placed on him. Go for it EVE community.
Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:33:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Who gives a flying fu*k why you hate or like anything?
Apparently Serene Repose, who took time out of the day to comment on this thread.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Enraku Reynolt
Peripheral Patrol
Shadow's Edge Alliance
14
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:33:00 -
[49] - Quote
Lugia3 wrote:
Gunmining. Reprocessing loots. Salvaging post-human wrecks.
eh, that's like saying "Who cares if there is no grass, I only eat beef" |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
40
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:35:00 -
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Prince Sanguine wrote:I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.
The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?
Why do you hate miners?
Prince Sanguine
Exec: Corp Recruiter
For more info, visit our recruitment post :
"Miners - Rorq support in 0.0 space, constant mining ops, and a retriever program. While we look for dedicated Rorq pilots, we still will have plenty to mine in 0.0. There is money to be made here. Our corp. requires allot of minerals for ongoing manufacturing and we are more than willing to pay miners to get these minerals for us. We are looking to offer excellent refining and an excellent pay system. On top of all this, if you show yourself to be a dedicated miner and learn the required skills, the corp. will give you a Hulk free of charge. We need our miners and we take care of them. "
I dislike whiny hypocrites...why don't you go recruit some more miners for your corp Mr. Recruiter...Can I have a free Hulk? 
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:35:00 -
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Steve Dolk wrote: no need to go kill someone who can't fight back.
Can't fight back?
There's absolutely nothing stopping them from fighting back, save for their own personal choice not to do so.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2556
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:36:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:Can I have a free Hulk?
I bet you can get a fun surprise once you fleet up with his 'Rorqual.'
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11021
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:38:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp
No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear
Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.
BINGO!!!!!! I am on a ******* roll!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
42
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:42:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Can I have a free Hulk? I bet you can get a fun surprise once you fleet up with his 'Rorqual.'
LOL..the only surprise here is that he can't read what his own CEO wrote in their corp's recruitment page. He is just silly |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17212
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:42:00 -
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Helia Tranquilis wrote:No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp
No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear
Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.
No ships because of a lack of miners = increased demand for the raw materials = people who gave up mining because it's basically a McJob start mining again because it's worthwhile doing so despite the boredom (fleet mining ops ftw), hopefully they'd also be the people that know to tank their ships.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Ralen Zateki
Nexis.
League of Infamy
160
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:44:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:On behalf of all the miners you hate, I've place a 100mill bounty on you to keep you from getting bored. (And if this counts as griefing, then I quit. It's my isk and I can use it any way I like)
You quit?
Can I has your stuff?
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
208
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:46:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Shizuken wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I don't hate them as such, I've been one. What I do hate is the attitude towards other players that the most vocal seem to have, especially when it comes to them not being able to play Eve with zero interference from others. The meta statement here seems like the indellible mark of a true sociopath/narcissist. It irritates you that so are so unimportant to others in plain view that you force yourself on them so they have to acknowledge your existence. You then become relevant, you matter. Then to avoid looking like an ass you transfer responsibility for your asshattery to them. This manifests as bullshit statements like, "they didn't tank their ship," "they consent to pvp by undocking," and "i am just using known game mechanics," "they are probably botters," etc. In reality you are the *******, not them. They play as they like and bother no one. In your desire to be notorious, powerful, and relevant you cannot bring yourself to leave them alone. They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs. Actually they do interfere with my playstyle with their incessant whinging on the forums. It's not my fault that you and your ilk are playing the wrong game. HTFU.
Since when does one have to agree with EVERY aspect of a game in order to play it?
And, what is the purpose of a game forum if not to discuss ideas related to gameplay and what one would like to see more or less of? There is no inherent authority for one point of view over another. Gankers have no more, or less, right to discuss the game than anyone else. |
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:47:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had too, no matter how indirect.
Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking? |
Winchester Steele
413
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:50:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Can I have a free Hulk? I bet you can get a fun surprise once you fleet up with his 'Rorqual.'
His Rorqual is named 'No Lube'.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
208
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:53:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had too, no matter how indirect.
Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking?
Another hallmark of a true sociopath, compulsive lying.
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