What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Easy. Stop buyimg ships. modules etc.

No market for stuff>>>no need to build stuff>>>no need for minerals>>>no need for ore>>>no need for miners, who would completely disappear from EVE.

Of course, EVE itself would disappear very shortly afterwards but, hey, who cares? Mission accomplished.

Actually, we could get all our ore from reprocessing.

Reprocessing what, exactly?

Things have to be built before you can reprocess them and nothing can be built without first mining the materials.

How is it out of context?? Considering that quote came from a discussion directly related to f#cking with miners, I think it is exactly in context. I thought it even more apropos because CCP Solomon used your exact turn of phrase (you know, the thing you said made us bad ppl IRL?) and indicated that it was a cornerstone of Eve gameplay.

Wall of text hits you for 1,000,000,000 damage. (Sorry for the rant, I'm in a weird mood today)
Why is Russia invading the Ukraine? Because Russia feels the US is weak under Obama and that it will not suffer any consequences. Since Eve offers very little in the area of consequences, the same thing happens here, take from others, cause them pain and beat chest to show the world you are the superior ones.

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

Eve could do with more miners with your mindset, you don't tend to be the ones that constantly cry "it's so unfair" and incessantly demand that CCP to change the game for them.

I can see the fun in ganking a miner once or twice. It's a game and blowing someone up for literally no reason is what games are about. If you find suicide ganking fun because you actually have fun doing it. Then by all means blow up miners to your hearts content!

Tears are honestly only fun to extract when it's someone who actually has it coming. The ****-talker in local, the guy who tried to scam you, the forum troll. But the miner? Why bother? Suicide ganking someone just to get an emotional reaction is where you cross the line from games to reality. That makes you a ****. If suicide ganking is fun because you ruin another person's day, then you are a pretty horrible person.

Reprocessing what, exactly?

Things have to be built before you can reprocess them and nothing can be built without first mining the materials.

Personally, I view suicide ganking as a necessary evil. I tried peacefully enforcing the Code, but miners just ignored me. I tried bumping, but that just made them angry.

Suicide ganking is the only effective means I have found to enforce the Code.

1. Meta drops from npcs

2. Ships and modules purchased with LP.

Who are "we?" Sounds like it's just you.

One possibility is it emerges from insecurity amongst Eve PvPers.

Afterall we are continually told by FPS players that its not "real" PvP if the ships auto-aim and by combat flight-simmers it's not "real" flying if manual piloting involves clicking randomly at a blank spot on the screen and you do not even need a joystick and can just fly with mouse clicks.

Add to this all the allegations that EVE is just "spreadsheets in space" and a sort of slow moving tactical naval battleship game that is about exciting as watching grass grow at 10% TIDI.

Its no wonder people want to log on and blow stuff up.

You realize that these are exactly the people who send me real life death threats at my home address when I run Hulkageddon, right?

I don't hate miners.

I do, however, hate bad attitudes, and game mechanics that enable them.

Personally, I view suicide ganking as a necessary evil. I tried peacefully enforcing the Code, but miners just ignored me. I tried bumping, but that just made them angry.

Suicide ganking is the only effective means I have found to enforce the Code.

You mean, seeking to make people mad IRL, and relishing the though of your RL self being the cause of the RL rage of some unknown dude, thereby using this game as a Schadenfreude app generator, and caring little, if at all, for the ingame narrative and characters who should drive it?

Also, heavy alt usage and recycling, that allows easy scams or ganks with zero possibility of consequences towards your main character(s), therefore fueling the rage of gankees/scammees, who cannot enact revenge upon said main character(s), and rage like crazy?

I agree.


And kudos for getting UO trammelized by cheesing the mechanics. It-¦s really a good thing to abuse freedom until the point where freedom has to be severely limited.

Considering you are on record as suggesting that you would be happy if someone found and killed me and my family in real life based on my actions in the game, you do not get to dictate morality or ethics to anyone.

As for keeping the game within the game, your kind is obviously the one having problems with that.