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Winchester Steele
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:54:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Shizuken wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I don't hate them as such, I've been one. What I do hate is the attitude towards other players that the most vocal seem to have, especially when it comes to them not being able to play Eve with zero interference from others. The meta statement here seems like the indellible mark of a true sociopath/narcissist. It irritates you that so are so unimportant to others in plain view that you force yourself on them so they have to acknowledge your existence. You then become relevant, you matter. Then to avoid looking like an ass you transfer responsibility for your asshattery to them. This manifests as bullshit statements like, "they didn't tank their ship," "they consent to pvp by undocking," and "i am just using known game mechanics," "they are probably botters," etc. In reality you are the *******, not them. They play as they like and bother no one. In your desire to be notorious, powerful, and relevant you cannot bring yourself to leave them alone. They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs. Actually they do interfere with my playstyle with their incessant whinging on the forums. It's not my fault that you and your ilk are playing the wrong game. HTFU. Since when does one have to agree with EVERY aspect of a game in order to play it? And, what is the purpose of a game forum if not to discuss ideas related to gameplay and what one would like to see more or less of? There is no inherent authority for one point of view over another. Gankers have no more, or less, right to discuss the game than anyone else.
You don't have to agree. But to try and change a leopards spots at this point is idiotic at best. Eve is a game for assholes, change that and it isn't Eve anymore. People who can't accept this should just go look for another game instead of beating their head against a brick wall.
Just say NO to themeparkers.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
277
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:54:00 -
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"We" don't. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:55:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had too, no matter how indirect.
Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking?
Didn't you condone, repeatedly, the making of real life threats over actions carried out within a game in another thread?
In answer to your question I don't engage in ganking. That's not the same as saying I've never engaged in ganking, or that I won't at sometime in the future.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Winchester Steele
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:55:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Mandarine wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had too, no matter how indirect.
Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking? Another hallmark of a true sociopath, compulsive lying.
That word you keep using. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Edit: Jonah, in my experience, is one of the more intelligent and sensible posters here on Eve-o. He's also a bit of a carebear himself, and he is stating that he ganks for economic reasons. Hardly the resume of a sociopath. You on the other hand . . .
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Prince Sanguine
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:56:00 -
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Altessa Post wrote:I hate tear collectors with a passion. There is no need for it. I do not even believe (most) of you that you derive joy from harassing others. You probably do this out of boredom/lack of imagination. Yet, you diminish the joy others have in playing a game. Plus, you probably have an impact on the user base. I could imagine that there are less people playing EVE than there would be without you.
How do you live with yourselves?
Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
361
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:56:00 -
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Miners, mine as much as you like.
Gankers, gank as much as you like.
Both are valid and accepted activities and ways to play EVE.
What seems to be the problem? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2557
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Posted - 2014.03.19 19:57:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Can I have a free Hulk?  I bet you can get a fun surprise once you fleet up with his 'Rorqual.' LOL..the only surprise here is that he can't read what his own CEO wrote in their corp's recruitment page. He is just silly
You really should go fleet up with that Rorqual. It will expose your mind to heretofore unkown levels of clarity.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2557
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:00:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Mandarine wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had too, no matter how indirect.
Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking? Another hallmark of a true sociopath, compulsive lying.
Oh, here we go with the psychology.
What else did the Cracker Jack box tell you today?
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Prince Sanguine
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:01:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:On behalf of all the miners you hate, I've place a 100mill bounty on you to keep you from getting bored.  (And if this counts as griefing, then I quit. It's my isk and I can use it any way I like) Only 100 million? Try a billion. Go big or go home. Oh oh..looks like someone is going to cry. Bounty tears are the new flavor of tears in EVE.  Well you miners heard him. The OP wants more bounties placed on him.
Lol i live in null. Its not like bounties matter. If you had been in wars and lost and killed plenty of ships you would understand that bounties don't do anything
Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me. |
Doireen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:02:00 -
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Prince Sanguine wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:On behalf of all the miners you hate, I've place a 100mill bounty on you to keep you from getting bored. (And if this counts as griefing, then I quit. It's my isk and I can use it any way I like) Only 100 million? Try a billion. Go big or go home. Oh oh..looks like someone is going to cry. Bounty tears are the new flavor of tears in EVE. Well you miners heard him. The OP wants more bounties placed on him. Lol i live in null. Its not like bounties matter. If you had been in wars and lost and killed plenty of ships you would understand that bounties don't do anything
..and yet my reply is the only one you seem to have issue with in this thread. Wonder why?
Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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Anslo
Scope Works
4529
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:02:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Anslo wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Altessa Post wrote:I hate tear collectors with a passion. There is no need for it. I do not even believe (most) of you that you derive joy from harassing others. You probably do this out of boredom/lack of imagination. Yet, you diminish the joy others have in playing a game. Plus, you probably have an impact on the user base. I could imagine that there are less people playing EVE than there would be without you.
How do you live with yourselves? You hate someone over internet pixels. How do YOU live with yourself? The same way I do; with a smile. Wait wait. Aren't you the idiot constantly blurfing about gankers and bumpers being sociopaths? The irony, it is delicious.
And more relevant to Eve than you'll ever be.
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Winchester Steele
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:05:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Anslo wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Altessa Post wrote:I hate tear collectors with a passion. There is no need for it. I do not even believe (most) of you that you derive joy from harassing others. You probably do this out of boredom/lack of imagination. Yet, you diminish the joy others have in playing a game. Plus, you probably have an impact on the user base. I could imagine that there are less people playing EVE than there would be without you.
How do you live with yourselves? You hate someone over internet pixels. How do YOU live with yourself? The same way I do; with a smile. Wait wait. Aren't you the idiot constantly blurfing about gankers and bumpers being sociopaths? The irony, it is delicious. And more relevant to Eve than you'll ever be.
Lol. Ok. You have the worst case of small **** syndrome I've ever seen on this forum.
Btw. You aren't relevant at all. I concede that I'm not either, but hey, I never claimed to be.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:05:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mandarine wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had too, no matter how indirect.
Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking? Didn't you condone repeatedly the making of real life threats over actions carried out within a game? In answer to your question I don't engage in ganking, that's not the same as saying I've never engaged in ganking.
I merely stated that for people who use an online game as an app to make random people mad IRL, it makes sense that at some point somebody gets really mad and responds to their RL-oriented harassment (since they want people to rage IRL) by some RL actions.
Now, there would be a simple way to avoid getting this community more toxic than it already is: playing nice and not being an online nuisance
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:In answer to your question I don't engage in ganking, that's not the same as saying I've never engaged in ganking.
desufargeg? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17213
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:07:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Jonah, in my experience, is one of the more intelligent and sensible posters here on Eve-o. He's also a bit of a carebear himself, and he is stating that he ganks for economic reasons. Hardly the resume of a sociopath. You on the other hand . . . I am not a carebear, they cry, whine and incessantly demand CCP change the game for them, I'm just a bear.
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
362
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:08:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Now, there would be a simple way to avoid getting this community more toxic than it already is: playing nice and not being an online nuisance
I consider and experience you as an online nuisance, and a toxic member of the community. |
Winchester Steele
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:09:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Jonah, in my experience, is one of the more intelligent and sensible posters here on Eve-o. He's also a bit of a carebear himself, and he is stating that he ganks for economic reasons. Hardly the resume of a sociopath. You on the other hand . . . I am not a carebear, they cry, whine and incessantly demand CCP change the game for them, I'm just a bear.
My apologies. I will alter the original post to reflect this very important distinction.
No offense was intended good sir. I do a fair bit of bearing myself.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4530
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mandarine wrote:Now, there would be a simple way to avoid getting this community more toxic than it already is: playing nice and not being an online nuisance I consider and experience you as an online nuisance, and a toxic member of the community.
And I consider you a self righteous opinionated prat. Who are you to label someone in the community thusly? What gives you the right?
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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mandarine wrote:Now, there would be a simple way to avoid getting this community more toxic than it already is: playing nice and not being an online nuisance I consider and experience you as an online nuisance, and a toxic member of the community.
Coming from someone who gets his kicks in life by witnessing people suffer, I-¦ll take that as a compliment and a sign I-¦m on the right track. |
Winchester Steele
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:13:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mandarine wrote:Now, there would be a simple way to avoid getting this community more toxic than it already is: playing nice and not being an online nuisance I consider and experience you as an online nuisance, and a toxic member of the community. And I consider you a self righteous opinionated prat. Who are you to label someone in the community thusly? What gives you the right?
The same thing that gives you the right to make your rude statement you obnoxious ****.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:14:00 -
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There are several reasons people hate miners:
1) Feeling it is their responsibility to police botting (false; it is your job to report it)
2) Feeling it is their responsibility to police AFK play (false; you can capitalize on inattention if you wish, but the way to actually combat it is to propose ways to make play more interesting, which does not include "STAY AT KEYBOARD TO MASH BUTTAN MOAR!"
3) Distorted understanding of supply and demand, wherein they appear to believe any supply at all causes out-of-control deflation (clear smokescreen for "I want easy targets")
4) Feeling miners should not "whine" on the forums (understandable, as they shouldn't but overblown because CCP does not just see whines and make corresponding adjustments. They attempt, sometimes with success and sometimes without, to bring all playstyles into balance)
There's a lot more reasons why people ATTACK miners, even if they don't hate them, with far more legitimacy even if it's just "I like killing Hulks". People that actually have a generalized hate or active dislike towards miners generally have a very distorted view of how the game works and what "sandbox" actually means. If you want to attack another player in the sandbox, that's part of the game; actively hating what they do with their sand means you are basically taking things too seriously.
(This goes both ways. Hating gankers makes little sense either.) |
Prince Sanguine
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:15:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Can I have a free Hulk? I bet you can get a fun surprise once you fleet up with his 'Rorqual.' LOL..the only surprise here is that he can't read what his own CEO wrote in their corp's recruitment page. He is just silly
I only deal with pvp recruiting. My opinion is my own not the corp. Still hate people who only mine
Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:16:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Coming from someone who gets his kicks in life by witnessing people-¦s suffering, I-¦ll take that as a compliment and a sign I-¦m on the right track.
Considering I do more in one hour of my professional life to help people who are suffering than you do in an entire month, that means very little.
Anslo wrote:And I consider you a self righteous opinionated prat. Who are you to label someone in the community thusly? What gives you the right?
The same right she was excercising, as you are.
The intelligent reader will understand from this that it is pointless to do so, and that we can argue all day about who are "good" or "bad" people, but it has little to no bearing on the game itself. |
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:23:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mandarine wrote:Coming from someone who gets his kicks in life by witnessing people-¦s suffering, I-¦ll take that as a compliment and a sign I-¦m on the right track. Considering I do more in one hour of my professional life to help people who are suffering than you do in an entire month, that means very little.
We all know that it-¦s great to have emotionally toxic nurses caring for people in need, as the horror stories coming from elderlies-¦ houses amply demonstrate.
Psychopaths take the path of least resistance to inflict and/or witness the kind of human misery in others that gets them aroused. Some join the military, some the police, some health professions. And the bottom feeders do it online.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:26:00 -
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Mandarine wrote:Psychopaths take the path of least resistance to inflict and/or witness the kind of human misery in others that gets them aroused. Some join the military, some the police, some health professions. And the bottom feeders do it online.
Yes, and some poison online communities. Like you.
I can only imagine what damage and suffering you cause to the people who have the misfortune to be associated with you in anyway offline. |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:33:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Shizuken wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I don't hate them as such, I've been one. What I do hate is the attitude towards other players that the most vocal seem to have, especially when it comes to them not being able to play Eve with zero interference from others. The meta statement here seems like the indellible mark of a true sociopath/narcissist. It irritates you that so are so unimportant to others in plain view that you force yourself on them so they have to acknowledge your existence. You then become relevant, you matter. Then to avoid looking like an ass you transfer responsibility for your asshattery to them. This manifests as bullshit statements like, "they didn't tank their ship," "they consent to pvp by undocking," and "i am just using known game mechanics," "they are probably botters," etc. In reality you are the *******, not them. They play as they like and bother no one. In your desire to be notorious, powerful, and relevant you cannot bring yourself to leave them alone. They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs. Actually they do interfere with my playstyle with their incessant whinging on the forums. It's not my fault that you and your ilk are playing the wrong game. HTFU.
Oh, gankers whine a plenty too... Oh noes, Concord response time is shorter! Why did CCP buff mining ship ehp? My precious saaandboooox!!!
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Anslo
Scope Works
4530
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:34:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mandarine wrote:Psychopaths take the path of least resistance to inflict and/or witness the kind of human misery in others that gets them aroused. Some join the military, some the police, some health professions. And the bottom feeders do it online.
Yes, and some poison online communities. Like you. I can only imagine what damage and suffering you cause to the people who have the misfortune to be associated with you in anyway offline.
Same could be said of those you interact with online. By the way, quite the ego you got there. I bet those you deal with offline enjoy it oh so much.
The way you lay out your opinionated posts is far more toxic in how condescending you are than any carebear.
Perhaps it is time you stepped away from Eve for a bit?
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Winchester Steele
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:39:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Shizuken wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I don't hate them as such, I've been one. What I do hate is the attitude towards other players that the most vocal seem to have, especially when it comes to them not being able to play Eve with zero interference from others. The meta statement here seems like the indellible mark of a true sociopath/narcissist. It irritates you that so are so unimportant to others in plain view that you force yourself on them so they have to acknowledge your existence. You then become relevant, you matter. Then to avoid looking like an ass you transfer responsibility for your asshattery to them. This manifests as bullshit statements like, "they didn't tank their ship," "they consent to pvp by undocking," and "i am just using known game mechanics," "they are probably botters," etc. In reality you are the *******, not them. They play as they like and bother no one. In your desire to be notorious, powerful, and relevant you cannot bring yourself to leave them alone. They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs. Actually they do interfere with my playstyle with their incessant whinging on the forums. It's not my fault that you and your ilk are playing the wrong game. HTFU. Oh, gankers whine a plenty too... Oh noes, Concord response time is shorter! Why did CCP buff mining ship ehp? My precious saaandboooox!!!
No disagreement here.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Winchester Steele
418
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:41:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mandarine wrote:Psychopaths take the path of least resistance to inflict and/or witness the kind of human misery in others that gets them aroused. Some join the military, some the police, some health professions. And the bottom feeders do it online.
Yes, and some poison online communities. Like you. I can only imagine what damage and suffering you cause to the people who have the misfortune to be associated with you in anyway offline. Same could be said of those you interact with online. By the way, quite the ego you got there. I bet those you deal with offline enjoy it oh so much. The way you lay out your opinionated posts is far more toxic in how condescending you are than any carebear. Perhaps it is time you stepped away from Eve for a bit?
Pot. Kettle. Irony. Etc.
This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:42:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Perhaps it is time you stepped away from Eve for a bit?
I think not.
I do and think as I wish, and there is nothing you can do to stop me from doing so, nor do you have any right to it.
Does that anger you? Does that raise psychopatic ire in you?
Too bad. Thats your problem, not mine. |
Rainbow Dash
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:44:00 -
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I gank miners because I find it enjoyable, profitable, easy and every so often I'll get a great tear-filled response.
I can't bring myself to hate someone because of a video game though. If you're legit mad over a game, you probably need to step away for a bit. |
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