I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

Plus, you probably have an impact on the user base. I could imagine that there are less people playing EVE than there would be without you.
How do you live with yourselves?

I have no problem with miners. I know lots of people who are miners.

I DO have a problem with AFK miners, mouthy highsec entitled miners and bot miners though...

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

I hate tear collectors with a passion. There is no need for it. I do not even believe (most) of you that you derive joy from harassing others. You probably do this out of boredom/lack of imagination. Yet, you diminish the joy others have in playing a game. Plus, you probably have an impact on the user base. I could imagine that there are less people playing EVE than there would be without you.
How do you live with yourselves?

Sounds like OP needs some anger management, and sub class... so you're a racist by heart ok.

/c

You hate someone over internet pixels. How do YOU live with yourself?

I'm a miner and I have always been - and I like it. I like collecting stuff, so seing my ore hold being filled makes me happy. I don't see the need to hate miners - we are the back bone of Eve, without us there would be nothing to fly around in.
It's kinda boring, yes, but it's our own choice, so no need to go kill someone who can't fight back. Go find some others in combat ships and go play -pew pew pew- with them.

- Steve

Find me and try to gank me. If you are successful you will see zero tears. You know why? I know the exact environment I play within.

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

I don't hate them as such, I've been one. What I do hate is the attitude towards other players that the most vocal seem to have, especially when it comes to them not being able to play Eve with zero interference from others.

They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs.

No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp

No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear


Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.

The meta statement here seems like the indellible mark of a true sociopath/narcissist. It irritates you that so are so unimportant to others in plain view that you force yourself on them so they have to acknowledge your existence. You then become relevant, you matter. Then to avoid looking like an ass you transfer responsibility for your asshattery to them. This manifests as bullshit statements like, "they didn't tank their ship," "they consent to pvp by undocking," and "i am just using known game mechanics," "they are probably botters," etc.

In reality you are the *******, not them. They play as they like and bother no one. In your desire to be notorious, powerful, and relevant you cannot bring yourself to leave them alone. They dont interfere with your playstyle, you interfere with theirs.

On behalf of all the miners you hate, I've place a 100mill bounty on you to keep you from getting bored.

(And if this counts as griefing, then I quit. It's my isk and I can use it any way I like)

The same way I do; with a smile.

Only 100 million? Try a billion. Go big or go home.

Who gives a flying fu*k why you hate or like anything?

Gunmining. Reprocessing loots. Salvaging post-human wrecks.

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

no need to go kill someone who can't fight back.

Can I have a free Hulk?

No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp

No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear


Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.

I bet you can get a fun surprise once you fleet up with his 'Rorqual.'

No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp

No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear


Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.

On behalf of all the miners you hate, I've place a 100mill bounty on you to keep you from getting bored.

(And if this counts as griefing, then I quit. It's my isk and I can use it any way I like)

Actually they do interfere with my playstyle with their incessant whinging on the forums. It's not my fault that you and your ilk are playing the wrong game. HTFU.

When I suicide gank a miner or a hauler, it's not just because I feel like it, it's because there's an economic advantage to be had too, no matter how indirect.

I bet you can get a fun surprise once you fleet up with his 'Rorqual.'

Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking?

Since when does one have to agree with EVERY aspect of a game in order to play it?

And, what is the purpose of a game forum if not to discuss ideas related to gameplay and what one would like to see more or less of? There is no inherent authority for one point of view over another. Gankers have no more, or less, right to discuss the game than anyone else.

Didn-¦t you write some time ago, in some griefer defense post, that you didn-¦t engage in ganking?

Another hallmark of a true sociopath, compulsive lying.

I hate tear collectors with a passion. There is no need for it. I do not even believe (most) of you that you derive joy from harassing others. You probably do this out of boredom/lack of imagination. Yet, you diminish the joy others have in playing a game. Plus, you probably have an impact on the user base. I could imagine that there are less people playing EVE than there would be without you.
How do you live with yourselves?

LOL..the only surprise here is that he can't read what his own CEO wrote in their corp's recruitment page. He is just silly

Another hallmark of a true sociopath, compulsive lying.

Oh oh..looks like someone is going to cry. Bounty tears are the new flavor of tears in EVE.

Well you miners heard him. The OP wants more bounties placed on him.

Lol i live in null. Its not like bounties matter. If you had been in wars and lost and killed plenty of ships you would understand that bounties don't do anything

Wait wait. Aren't you the idiot constantly blurfing about gankers and bumpers being sociopaths? The irony, it is delicious.

And more relevant to Eve than you'll ever be.

Didn't you condone repeatedly the making of real life threats over actions carried out within a game?

In answer to your question I don't engage in ganking, that's not the same as saying I've never engaged in ganking.

In answer to your question I don't engage in ganking, that's not the same as saying I've never engaged in ganking.

Jonah, in my experience, is one of the more intelligent and sensible posters here on Eve-o. He's also a bit of a carebear himself, and he is stating that he ganks for economic reasons. Hardly the resume of a sociopath. You on the other hand . . .

Now, there would be a simple way to avoid getting this community more toxic than it already is: playing nice and not being an online nuisance

I am not a carebear, they cry, whine and incessantly demand CCP change the game for them, I'm just a bear.

I consider and experience you as an online nuisance, and a toxic member of the community.

I consider and experience you as an online nuisance, and a toxic member of the community.

And I consider you a self righteous opinionated prat. Who are you to label someone in the community thusly? What gives you the right?

LOL..the only surprise here is that he can't read what his own CEO wrote in their corp's recruitment page. He is just silly

Coming from someone who gets his kicks in life by witnessing people-¦s suffering, I-¦ll take that as a compliment and a sign I-¦m on the right track.

And I consider you a self righteous opinionated prat. Who are you to label someone in the community thusly? What gives you the right?

Considering I do more in one hour of my professional life to help people who are suffering than you do in an entire month, that means very little.

Psychopaths take the path of least resistance to inflict and/or witness the kind of human misery in others that gets them aroused. Some join the military, some the police, some health professions. And the bottom feeders do it online.

Actually they do interfere with my playstyle with their incessant whinging on the forums. It's not my fault that you and your ilk are playing the wrong game. HTFU.

Yes, and some poison online communities. Like you.

I can only imagine what damage and suffering you cause to the people who have the misfortune to be associated with you in anyway offline.

Oh, gankers whine a plenty too... Oh noes, Concord response time is shorter! Why did CCP buff mining ship ehp? My precious saaandboooox!!!

Same could be said of those you interact with online. By the way, quite the ego you got there. I bet those you deal with offline enjoy it oh so much.

The way you lay out your opinionated posts is far more toxic in how condescending you are than any carebear.

Perhaps it is time you stepped away from Eve for a bit?

Perhaps it is time you stepped away from Eve for a bit?

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

I think not.

I do and think as I wish, and there is nothing you can do to stop me from doing so, nor do you have any right to it.

Does that anger you? Does that raise psychopatic ire in you?

Too bad. Thats your problem, not mine.

I don't hate miners, I hate mining.
That's why I let other people do it.

Oh sure it does. I like being a psycho~
I mad, perpetually. It helps get constructive things done!

Well, it would seem I was right about you then.

Thanks for admitting it.

. Look at all the attacks and suffering that Gandhi suffered through his life. He never raised a hand against anyone. As humans, it is our nature to fight each other and try and control others around us.

Gunmining. Reprocessing loots. Salvaging post-human wrecks.

Kinda awkward now, isn't it :3

Also Steele I don't bother anymore. Griefers don't have the stones to fight in big ships :(

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

Only idiots solo in big ships. I'll stick with my Vexors. But what can I say. I am a space poor nobody.

I am pretty sure Ghandi wouldn't have issued IRL threats to people that ganked his mining ship.
I am also fairly sure he had nothing against people taking pieces in chess and can't for the life of me imagine he would have cared about people shooting imaginary space ships in a spaceship shooting game.
It is hard to imagine anyone less like the average high sec miner than Ghandi.

I don't know....

http://lparchive.org/Civilization/Images/2-Screenshot_-_1_7_2008_,_6_53_36_PM.png

Then get 15 anslo hating gankers into vexors. Thats a good fleet.

In my opinion, you just won the thread.

Another pathetic thread brought to you by the fine people of Eve online...

You have to watch out which threads you get into-- you might get into one where all of the levels of alts start talking to each other.

I think it's some kind of propaganda. Possibly created by an alt of a James 315 disciple. And the disciple himself is actually a Jim alt. You have to watch out which threads you get into-- you might get into one where all of the levels of alts start talking to each other.

I may strongly disagree with you. I may enjoy our passive aggressive back and forth. But no hate. At the end of the day, we're just two nerds playing a silly internet spaceship game.

I hate tear collectors with a passion.

Then cut down on the trolling and anti-carebear crap, cause you just showed yourself a half decent person I wouldn't mind talking to.

I love miners!

I love miners a whooooole lot.

Do I detect the chance of an event celebrating your love of miners being organised in the near future?

No mining - no catalysts
No mining - no archons
No mining - no titans
No mining - no trading
No mining - no cheap ships for pvp

No missioning - no rigs to fit your pew ships with
No missioning - no meta to give you shiny T2 gear


Like it or not, EVE has a real economy and in real economy every link counts. If someone wants to shoot rocks all day, let them. Cheaper ships for me.

I don't hate miners. I sometimes mine but what I have noticed is miners who mine undefended. Are they just wanting to be blown up?

Griefers don't have the stones to fight in big ships :(

However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.

Miners are like that little skinny kid in school whose pant cuffs are too high, whose hair always sticks up and everyone makes fun of because they know he won't or can't do anything about it (ignoring for etiquette's sake recent violent counter-examples).
So, OP what you see in the miner is your own insecurity about yourself. You see yourself as a vulnerable, funny looking kid and you hate that about yourself. When you gank that little fella you're really trying to kill that part of you that you are afraid of and that you hate. In effect you are trying to kill yourself.
However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.

Miners are like that little skinny kid in school whose pant cuffs are too high, whose hair always sticks up and everyone makes fun of because they know he won't or can't do anything about it (ignoring for etiquette's sake recent violent counter-examples).
So, OP what you see in the miner is your own insecurity about yourself. You see yourself as a vulnerable, funny looking kid and you hate that about yourself. When you gank that little fella you're really trying to kill that part of you that you are afraid of and that you hate. In effect you are trying to kill yourself.
However, you will always be you and until you realize how beautiful you are you will seethe with hatred, and envy those psychology well-adjusted folks who mine in EVE.

You realize that these are exactly the people who send me real life death threats at my home address when I run Hulkageddon, right?

I'm on both sides of the spectrum.

On one hand, miners don't impact EVE very much. I can't imagine people come to the game to start mining. It's probably something they pick up once they get here. In addition, can you name a famous miner? I certainly can't. Meanwhile the list of famous combat pilots goes on and on. Miners just don't do anything. Sure, they pump minerals into the market that are key to industry, but if all of them were to disappear suddenly, NPCs would replace them like they never left.

Then there comes to the actual human side of things. So what if someone is spending their money to mine? So what if they are having fun doing something that you find boring? What I like about miners is that they keep to themselves. Generally, they won't bother you unless you start bothering them. Someone mining ice all day doesn't hurt my game experience. Most days, I don't even see a miner. They're too busy mining.

Chribba.

Wow.

According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy.

I can see the fun in ganking a miner once or twice. It's a game and blowing someone up for literally no reason is what games are about. If you find suicide ganking fun because you actually have fun doing it. Then by all means blow up miners to your hearts content!

Tears are honestly only fun to extract when it's someone who actually has it coming. The ****-talker in local, the guy who tried to scam you, the forum troll. But the miner? Why bother? Suicide ganking someone just to get an emotional reaction is where you cross the line from games to reality. That makes you a ****. If suicide ganking is fun because you ruin another person's day, then you are a pretty horrible person.

Says you.

"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" - CCP Solomon.

Even if you had a point (which you don't lol) it would seem that CCP isn't too concerned about it.

Miners in EVE are like the catchers in certain types of relationships.

Gotta love it when people quote out of context because they think it helps their case.

And honestly they shouldn't be concerned about it. Douchebaggery happens in every game. It shouldn't be the concern of the developers. It's an issue purely limited to the community and the playerbase, and it's up to them to decide which direction they want to go with it.

EDIT: I would honestly be extremely upset with CCP if they started to try and crack down on "tear collecting". The only thing worse than not caring is caring too much. The last thing I want is to get temporarily banned because some jackass told CCP I was griefing him for say, killing him twice within an hour.

According to some that's a totally justifiable response to the explosion of their internet spaceships, because if you do bad things in a game then you're a bad person IRL and deserve everything you get. I call them morons who can't separate reality from fantasy.

I've been pointing this out for years now. I've caused thousands and thousands (literally) of them to die to my Hulkageddon events. I've caused over a trillion and a half in damages to miners alone in this fashion.


...and they still sit AFK in a belt in an untanked mining barge

At this point I believe the answer to your question to be: "yes, yes they do."

To repost an image from Hulkageddon II: http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg

Or maybe we just accept the risk of being blown up and accept it as being part of the game, you know, like when pvp'ers go out on a roam and accept they might just be blown up.

That is not what recent psychological studies are showing. An interesting recent report in Psychological Science indicated that role playing an evil (or good) character online effects real life behavior and that GÇ£People are prone to be unaware of the influence of their virtual representations on their behavioral responses.GÇ¥ Basically playing an evil character online does effect your responses in real life ... but you will be unaware of it and deny it and get upset if someone else points it out to you.

I dont hate miners at all.

Each to their own.

I'll still murder them though if I spot them at an anom in-system, same with anyone else. *shrug*

That is not what recent psychological studies are showing. An interesting recent report in Psychological Science indicated that role playing an evil (or good) character online effects real life behavior and that GÇ£People are prone to be unaware of the influence of their virtual representations on their behavioral responses.GÇ¥ Basically playing an evil character online does effect your responses in real life ... but you will be unaware of it and deny it and get upset if someone else points it out to you.

Wall of text hits you for 1,000,000,000 damage. (Sorry for the rant, I'm in a weird mood today)

Your issue is the same issue that our world leaders suffer from. You lack the understanding to deal with the fact that not everyone likes what you like, not everyone wants to do what you want to do and not everyone thinks the same way you think. Someone practices a different religion than you? Attack them! Someone wants to live in peace and not fight? Attack them. Someone wants to mind his own business and mine a bit while he prepares for his college class and reads a textbook? Attack him!

Aggressive people have always attacked non-aggressive people. Look at all the attacks and suffering that Gandhi suffered through his life. He never raised a hand against anyone. As humans, it is our nature to fight each other and try and control others around us. Eve is a great example of the hopelessness of the human condition. Given the chance, we will steal from those who have not taken from us, insult those who have not insulted us and we will destroy those who have not wronged us.
Why do people hate miners? Because they are different and enjoy a different play style. We hate everything that is not like us because we are scared that if other ideas or religions or even game play styles are not like ours, those may become the norm and the one I enjoy may become the odd or underappreciated one.

Ask yourself why people attack defenseless ships, it proves nothing. Why do elite PVPers like to blow up ships that can not fire back at them, it proves nothing. Why do people like it when they induce rage in others, again it does not prove anything. You earn no honor, you prove no skill, the only benefit is the enjoyment of human suffering and the chance to earn a few credits in a game. You can say you are teaching players to tank better or that you are roleplaying a pirate but those are excuses. No one asked to be taught how to tank. If you want to teach then join Eve Uni and teach people who actually want to learn. If you want to play a pirate go to lowsec and prey on people who are expecting you and have accepted the risk of pirates by journeying into your space.

Given the chance and removing the negative consequences, a great many of us would choose to inflict pain on others in order to enforce our ideas or beliefs. Miners make easy targets and allow us to tap into that evil part inside of us that we refuse to admit we have. Why is Russia invading the Ukraine? Because Russia feels the US is weak under Obama and that it will not suffer any consequences. Since Eve offers very little in the area of consequences, the same thing happens here, take from others, cause them pain and beat chest to show the world you are the superior ones.

You would actually have to get blown up an awful lot to lose money.

I do not mine, doesn't pay enuf, but seems to me a venture pays for itself in an hour of mining, a barge in a couple. I assume even an exhumer will recoup its investment price in a night or two.

I do not mine, doesn't pay enuf, but seems to me a venture pays for itself in an hour of mining, a barge in a couple. I assume even an exhumer will recoup its investment price in a night or two.

Its called Killboards, the whole reason for ganking is killing your target shows up on it while losing your ship to npc police does not show up. So there are organizations out there like i think 1 ganking alliance passted the 1t mark all to ganking, ive even seen 9-10 catalyst take a orca with what little tank they can bolster. and i watch t2 and faction bs die to 11 catalyst.

Or maybe we just accept the risk of being blown up and accept it as being part of the game, you know, like when pvp'ers go out on a roam and accept they might just be blown up.

I do enjoy flying in a Venture... gank a miner in it, make the ship cost back in 5min =D with a hold full of ore and not needing to have any mining skills =D

What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Easy. Stop buyimg ships. modules etc.

No market for stuff>>>no need to build stuff>>>no need for minerals>>>no need for ore>>>no need for miners, who would completely disappear from EVE.

Of course, EVE itself would disappear very shortly afterwards but, hey, who cares? Mission accomplished.

Actually, we could get all our ore from reprocessing.

Reprocessing what, exactly?

Things have to be built before you can reprocess them and nothing can be built without first mining the materials.

How is it out of context?? Considering that quote came from a discussion directly related to f#cking with miners, I think it is exactly in context. I thought it even more apropos because CCP Solomon used your exact turn of phrase (you know, the thing you said made us bad ppl IRL?) and indicated that it was a cornerstone of Eve gameplay.

Wall of text hits you for 1,000,000,000 damage. (Sorry for the rant, I'm in a weird mood today)
Why is Russia invading the Ukraine? Because Russia feels the US is weak under Obama and that it will not suffer any consequences. Since Eve offers very little in the area of consequences, the same thing happens here, take from others, cause them pain and beat chest to show the world you are the superior ones.

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

Eve could do with more miners with your mindset, you don't tend to be the ones that constantly cry "it's so unfair" and incessantly demand that CCP to change the game for them.

I can see the fun in ganking a miner once or twice. It's a game and blowing someone up for literally no reason is what games are about. If you find suicide ganking fun because you actually have fun doing it. Then by all means blow up miners to your hearts content!

Tears are honestly only fun to extract when it's someone who actually has it coming. The ****-talker in local, the guy who tried to scam you, the forum troll. But the miner? Why bother? Suicide ganking someone just to get an emotional reaction is where you cross the line from games to reality. That makes you a ****. If suicide ganking is fun because you ruin another person's day, then you are a pretty horrible person.

Reprocessing what, exactly?

Things have to be built before you can reprocess them and nothing can be built without first mining the materials.

Personally, I view suicide ganking as a necessary evil. I tried peacefully enforcing the Code, but miners just ignored me. I tried bumping, but that just made them angry.

Suicide ganking is the only effective means I have found to enforce the Code.

1. Meta drops from npcs

2. Ships and modules purchased with LP.

Who are "we?" Sounds like it's just you.

One possibility is it emerges from insecurity amongst Eve PvPers.

Afterall we are continually told by FPS players that its not "real" PvP if the ships auto-aim and by combat flight-simmers it's not "real" flying if manual piloting involves clicking randomly at a blank spot on the screen and you do not even need a joystick and can just fly with mouse clicks.

Add to this all the allegations that EVE is just "spreadsheets in space" and a sort of slow moving tactical naval battleship game that is about exciting as watching grass grow at 10% TIDI.

Its no wonder people want to log on and blow stuff up.

You realize that these are exactly the people who send me real life death threats at my home address when I run Hulkageddon, right?

I don't hate miners.

I do, however, hate bad attitudes, and game mechanics that enable them.

Personally, I view suicide ganking as a necessary evil. I tried peacefully enforcing the Code, but miners just ignored me. I tried bumping, but that just made them angry.

Suicide ganking is the only effective means I have found to enforce the Code.

You mean, seeking to make people mad IRL, and relishing the though of your RL self being the cause of the RL rage of some unknown dude, thereby using this game as a Schadenfreude app generator, and caring little, if at all, for the ingame narrative and characters who should drive it?

Also, heavy alt usage and recycling, that allows easy scams or ganks with zero possibility of consequences towards your main character(s), therefore fueling the rage of gankees/scammees, who cannot enact revenge upon said main character(s), and rage like crazy?

I agree.


And kudos for getting UO trammelized by cheesing the mechanics. It-¦s really a good thing to abuse freedom until the point where freedom has to be severely limited.

Considering you are on record as suggesting that you would be happy if someone found and killed me and my family in real life based on my actions in the game, you do not get to dictate morality or ethics to anyone.

As for keeping the game within the game, your kind is obviously the one having problems with that.

Oh, and one more thing.

You don't get to foist off your candyass overblown emotional reactions to losing at a videogame on me. You, and you alone, are responsible for your emotions.

It's childish to flip over the checkerboard if you lose, it's childish to stomp out of the room if you don't win at Monopoly, and it's childish to pitch a giant fit about losing a ship in EVE Online.

Their reactions are their problem, not mine. And suggesting that I be "punished" for knocking over the giant chip on their shoulders is honestly one of the more disgusting things I've ever encountered on the internet.

You're completely morally bankrupt.

That-¦s hilariously ironic as those very overblown emotional reactions are precisely the thing you crave to cause and witness. It has to do with emotional carapace, traumas and the inabiltiy to feel and communicate in a healthy way. To make it short: you should be undergoing therapy, and not take it out on others in a video game.

Could be worse thought. Repressed sadists do it online, declared ones do it IRL.

Also, where did I suggest you should be punished?

So, getting a pictured emailed to you is akin to getting punished?

Well, I wish griefers were reminded more often that they grief other RL people, and that aiming at making people mad IRL creates toxicity in the human community. Since they are absolutely unable to understand and feel it themselves, they have to be reminded of it. Some shocking and yet absolutely harmless realization such as the one you had might help.

You-¦re the one not keeping the game within the game, as your goals are to make people mad IRL, and you couldn-¦t care less for the ingame narrative.

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

No, because once again, my only actions are being taken in game.

You can infer whatever you like about motivations, but it's conjecture at best. And wishing real life harm to people based on your wild conjecture of their motivations in a goddamn video game is sick, twisted, and wrong. The only one not keeping the game within the game, is you. You are the one taking it out of game, whether through your IRL threats, or your failure to disassociate your character from yourself.

I am not "griefing" a "real person". I am playing a game.

You're griefing a real person. You're celebrating the fact that I was stalked, and hoping that it happens to more people. You're disgusting, despicable, reprehensible, and inexcusable.

Once again, where did I wish you or anyone RL harm?

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting...

Why do you hate miners?

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I'm a miner. I enjoy mining, I enjoy the mindlessness of it after work and before bed. I'm also a guy who's been playing for about a month and a half. I made the mistake of brining my Retriever into low-sec (0.4) looking for Jaspet asteroids to mine. Needless to say, my ship didn't make it out. Was I mad...no, did I shed tears...no. I did try to start a conversation with the guy. I wanted to know, not why he killed me, but how he prevented me from warping out (figured that one out now), and what I could do to improve my odds of survival. Needless to say, I was ignored. I was told later on, that if I want to go into low-sec I should be in a procurer (and with a friend or three if possible). Live and learn...I bought a procurer which is now collecting dust as I'm back in high-sec recovering the lost Isk. For those saying that there is no risk mining in high-sec...there is. There is just more risk for you to come and try to kill us there. Is it fair...hell yes it is. I take a large risk going into low-sec, it's only fair for you to have a similar risk coming into high-sec. All in all...it's a game, don't get bent out of shape...it's just a game.

I'm a miner. I enjoy mining, I enjoy the mindlessness of it after work and before bed. I'm also a guy who's been playing for about a month and a half. I made the mistake of brining my Retriever into low-sec (0.4) looking for Jaspet asteroids to mine. Needless to say, my ship didn't make it out. Was I mad...no, did I shed tears...no. I did try to start a conversation with the guy. I wanted to know, not why he killed me, but how he prevented me from warping out (figured that one out now), and what I could do to improve my odds of survival. Needless to say, I was ignored. I was told later on, that if I want to go into low-sec I should be in a procurer (and with a friend or three if possible). Live and learn...I bought a procurer which is now collecting dust as I'm back in high-sec recovering the lost Isk. For those saying that there is no risk mining in high-sec...there is. There is just more risk for you to come and try to kill us there. Is it fair...hell yes it is. I take a large risk going into low-sec, it's only fair for you to have a similar risk coming into high-sec. All in all...it's a game, don't get bent out of shape...it's just a game.

I hate them with a passion. I've done my fair share of ganking and tear collecting, but even in null when I think of miners it makes me automatically hate them. Yes, I understand the need for it but when someone is only a miner and does nothing else it just makes me die inside. Not taking into consideration the bots/afk miners how do you miners live with yourselves? It's not all about isk.

The only thing I can do to remedy this is occasionally jump into hs to collect tears, but even then I am still left unsatisfied. What can I do to be a bigger burden to these sub class players?

Why do you hate miners?

Meta drops are still a thing.

What I don't get is, if you hate Eve as much as your posting history shows, why are you still here and posting about it on the forums? Especially when you're posting complete and utter nonsense....

But the root of the matter is

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Prince Sanguine
Exec: Corp Recruiter

For more info, visit our recruitment post :

"Miners - Rorq support in 0.0 space, constant mining ops, and a retriever program. While we look for dedicated Rorq pilots, we still will have plenty to mine in 0.0. There is money to be made here. Our corp. requires allot of minerals for ongoing manufacturing and we are more than willing to pay miners to get these minerals for us. We are looking to offer excellent refining and an excellent pay system. On top of all this, if you show yourself to be a dedicated miner and learn the required skills, the corp. will give you a Hulk free of charge. We need our miners and we take care of them. "

I dislike whiny hypocrites...why don't you go recruit some more miners for your corp Mr. Recruiter...Can I have a free Hulk?

I wonder if there is a survey about why players quit their trail or quit after 1 month. Some heads might roll in CCP hq.

From my point of view, as a former Ultima Online player, I am quite simply tired of being told that the way I play the game isn't valid. I'm even more sick of change being made to that effect. *cough Trammel cough* The crying to cause those changes coming from pretty much the same category of people in both games, we call them carebears now.

EVE is my game. They have other games for people like that. Hell, damn near EVERY OTHER GAME is for people like that. Leave me my game, and stop trying to make it like everything else. They're not trying to make it "better", they're trying to make it better for them.

And Trammel killed Ultima Online.