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The Judas
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Posted - 2006.04.30 13:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Vina
Originally by: Aodha Khan
If someone is willing to pay it then that's what we call a 'player run market'.
if you went to a car dealership, and the Car with no power locks or windows was $10000 and the one with power locks and windows was $8,950,000 which would you buy?
That is the situation with tech 1/tech 2
Thats not true tho. Think about it this way. If you were in the wild west, and a gun that shot 500m cost 100$ and one that cost 10,000$ shot 600m and you often fought at that distance, what would you buy?
And if you had the only gun machine that made these guns, what would you charge?
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2006.04.30 13:40:00 -
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Personally I like the lottery way of distributing the prints. It's the rather passive way of collecting RP's that bothers me. Luckely I remember seeing in an Oveur blog some time ago that he shared this concern.
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Great Artista
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Posted - 2006.04.30 13:47:00 -
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Hey hey!
I have a simple question, that means worlds to me and to many other players:
Are all T2 BPO's in the game? Like all that have been released, in example: Gleam S, have they all been given away, so that none remain to other players?
If no:
Great, R&D agents arent useless.
If yes:
A lot of R&D agent farmers quit.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.30 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista
Hey hey!
I have a simple question, that means worlds to me and to many other players:
Are all T2 BPO's in the game? Like all that have been released, in example: Gleam S, have they all been given away, so that none remain to other players?
If no:
Great, R&D agents arent useless.
If yes:
A lot of R&D agent farmers quit.
No, not all BPOS are given away.
BPOs for a lot of old items are of course all released, but some newer ones are still coming out.
And whenever CCP decides to release more BPOs of an old item or a new T2 item altogether, new BPOs are released through R&D agents.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:08:00 -
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Read the link in my sig regarding t2 items.
We do NOT need this thread fifteen times a day. grr.
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vina
One just sold for this. A module that costs like 200-400k to build probably, and someone finds it profitable to buy the bpo for 33b isk.
If this doesn't show just how much CCP ****** up tech 2.... man I dunno.
whatever. tech 2 will be the end of this game.
Although I agree with the OP, it was strange to see that kind of post from a member of BoB, who are among the main beneficiaries of the current tech II system.
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:20:00 -
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If agents released 10 tech 2 prints for 1 item and stoped there then 3 of the bpo owners left the game ccp would just re-seed 3 more bpo's to keep them in market.
Also if ccp saw a certain item wasant being produced enough them i belive they relese more Bpos to increase the base number from say 10 to 13.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Slater
Also if ccp saw a certain item wasant being produced enough them i belive they relese more Bpos to increase the base number from say 10 to 13.
This unfortunately isn't really true.
However, I still have my faith in CCP that they will release more HAC BPOs to make up for the vastly increased demand.
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Lord Slater
Also if ccp saw a certain item wasant being produced enough them i belive they relese more Bpos to increase the base number from say 10 to 13.
This unfortunately isn't really true.
However, I still have my faith in CCP that they will release more HAC BPOs to make up for the vastly increased demand.
Any idea why they dont It seems a perfectly logical thing to do to me....or is it just me.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Slater
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Lord Slater
Also if ccp saw a certain item wasant being produced enough them i belive they relese more Bpos to increase the base number from say 10 to 13.
This unfortunately isn't really true.
However, I still have my faith in CCP that they will release more HAC BPOs to make up for the vastly increased demand.
Any idea why they dont It seems a perfectly logical thing to do to me....or is it just me.
They may. Its not a thing they would do on the spur of the moment--they'd have to analyze the possible consequences and debate it internally--and in addition, there's Kali to work on.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:41:00 -
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The current system is not fair at all, with the ability to use inactive alts to accumulate research points, those running multiple accounts have a far bigger chance than the "legit" solo single character working hard for his daily rp.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Professor McFly
The current system is not fair at all, with the ability to use inactive alts to accumulate research points, those running multiple accounts have a far bigger chance than the "legit" solo single character working hard for his daily rp.
I don't really know anyone who works "hard" for his daily RP.
But this is true for anything. A miner with two accounts earns twice as much as a miner with 1 account. A 3-accounter can run 10/10s and 8/10s with the proper setups. Etc.
Its hard to make it otherwise.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:45:00 -
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The simplest way to solve it would be to change the RP system so that it requires a mission every 3/4 days. Like originally planned, when your agent contacts you asking for something, you stop getting RP.
Imo.
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:48:00 -
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They may. Its not a thing they would do on the spur of the moment--they'd have to analyze the possible consequences and debate it internally--and in addition, there's Kali to work on.
Yea this is what i thought sorry if i didnt explain myself well as i dont use tech2 yet on the account of being barly 10 days old im not too worried about it yet 
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:49:00 -
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Great, so we can have a situation where you're FORCED to pay 150 mil for science graduates or you can't get RP's. You do remember that debacle, right?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
The simplest way to solve it would be to change the RP system so that it requires a mission every 3/4 days. Like originally planned, when your agent contacts you asking for something, you stop getting RP.
Imo.
So everyone would be required to waste their time mission-whoring to get T2 BPOs?
I have a better idea: you need to kill someone in low sec space every 3-4 days in order to get RPs. 100% of pirates agree with me that this is a great idea.
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St Dragon
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Great, so we can have a situation where you're FORCED to pay 150 mil for science graduates or you can't get RP's. You do remember that debacle, right?
Heh many of us still have nightmares about those days.
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2006.04.30 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Great, so we can have a situation where you're FORCED to pay 150 mil for science graduates or you can't get RP's. You do remember that debacle, right?
I usually do not agree with Maya on most issues,  . However, she hit this one on the head, the system as it was - was a nightmare.
I think we ought to wait and see what exactly will happen with T2. This is the most emotionally charged issue in EVE, it has been for a long time.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: The Enslaver
The simplest way to solve it would be to change the RP system so that it requires a mission every 3/4 days. Like originally planned, when your agent contacts you asking for something, you stop getting RP.
Imo.
So everyone would be required to waste their time mission-whoring to get T2 BPOs?
I have a better idea: you need to kill someone in low sec space every 3-4 days in order to get RPs. 100% of pirates agree with me that this is a great idea.
I'm a 0.0 PVP player, who has BPO's. Believe me, this would prevent me from ever being able to win any more. Its just the lesser of two evils...
Giving away free multi-billion ISK bpo's to people for such a minimal amount of effort is rediculous.
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Olivin
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy X
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Tech 2 shouldn't be a grind. The current system is fine--its totally random, and gives everyone a fair chance.
Thats the point, the current system IS NOT fair, the system needs to be designed to be alot more inclusive. Really the only way for people to really want to get involved Tech II is to earn vast sums of iskies and buy there way in. We need to move from this "I'm an instant billionaire" situation with this lottery and have it that people who want to get involved in industry can... I.e reverse engineering, research point auctions for BPCs to name a few.
Current system IS FAIR. Not fair would be when every muppet can start T2 shop. Although, if you have even a very little brain, you can make money in T2 with very little effort/money, for example:
1. Buy BPC and open a T2 shop = work for it
2. Start research projects = wait for it.
3. Come to forums and tell about your problems with T2 = whine for it.
Obviously, option #3 degrades you to the level of spoiled five year old who was declined with the new fancy toy. And you know what? Suck it up, because nobody cares.
Olivin
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:32:00 -
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Easier fix wud seem to me that ccp kept track of average prices of t2 items and release more copies of those bpos that yeld more than so much.
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MortyM
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The lottery is by definition the fairest way of distributing BPOs, as it allows everyone a relatively equal chance.
What do you want, an auction? Then nobody but the rich will get BPOs.
lol ?
How would you feel if your boss of your rl job would decide that he would no longer pay out regular salaries, but would have a lottery at the end of each month, where the part time mailboy would have the chance of walking away with everything and the senior project manager who put in dozens hours of overtime can end up with no cash at all this month. That would be fair right ? Everybody has an equal chance.
You should get rewarded for the amount of effort you put in, and not for the amount of luck you have. I think the current lotery system is completely retarded. Systems based on luck suck, if you win it doesn't mean anything because you haven't worked for it, and if you don't win you only get frustrated about your lack of luck.
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: MortyM
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The lottery is by definition the fairest way of distributing BPOs, as it allows everyone a relatively equal chance.
What do you want, an auction? Then nobody but the rich will get BPOs.
lol ?
How would you feel if your boss of your rl job would decide that he would no longer pay out regular salaries, but would have a lottery at the end of each month, where the part time mailboy would have the chance of walking away with everything and the senior project manager who put in dozens hours of overtime can end up with no cash at all this month. That would be fair right ? Everybody has an equal chance.
You should get rewarded for the amount of effort you put in, and not for the amount of luck you have. I think the current lotery system is completely retarded. Systems based on luck suck, if you win it doesn't mean anything because you haven't worked for it, and if you don't win you only get frustrated about your lack of luck.
Wrong thing to compare with m8 Try comparing the Blueprint lottery to the Nationall lottery
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:59:00 -
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The system may work but it is drop dead boring and unimaginative - in fact like most industrial stuff (mining... how on erath can people stand mining ice NOT afk?) that mostly looks like it has been added as an afterthought to all the cool PvP guff :P
R&D is not a real 'career' as it is 100% passive unless you are a masochist actually running the daily missions, which are drop dead boring, too.
A more involved, *active* researching process would be cool but will never happen as it's not cool PvP guff for the cool big boys who play 'the real game' :P
I'll not complain - got three BPOs with about zero effort so far. Not the hottest ones but they still pay the bills.
Now recruiting!
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MortyM
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Slater
Originally by: MortyM
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The lottery is by definition the fairest way of distributing BPOs, as it allows everyone a relatively equal chance.
What do you want, an auction? Then nobody but the rich will get BPOs.
lol ?
How would you feel if your boss of your rl job would decide that he would no longer pay out regular salaries, but would have a lottery at the end of each month, where the part time mailboy would have the chance of walking away with everything and the senior project manager who put in dozens hours of overtime can end up with no cash at all this month. That would be fair right ? Everybody has an equal chance.
You should get rewarded for the amount of effort you put in, and not for the amount of luck you have. I think the current lotery system is completely retarded. Systems based on luck suck, if you win it doesn't mean anything because you haven't worked for it, and if you don't win you only get frustrated about your lack of luck.
Wrong thing to compare with m8 Try comparing the Blueprint lottery to the Nationall lottery
The difference is that a fundamental part of the game's economics are based on the lottery. If you wanna play in a lottery ingame, then there is the BIG one. To base the industry on it is just stupid. This is supposed to be a pvp game, where players compete with each other, how can you compete with other people in a lottery ? We might as awell just roll some dice to apoint somebody winner of EvE 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vina
One just sold for this. A module that costs like 200-400k to build probably, and someone finds it profitable to buy the bpo for 33b isk.
If this doesn't show just how much CCP ****** up tech 2.... man I dunno.
whatever. tech 2 will be the end of this game.
OMG TEH SKIE IZ FALLING!@!!!!1!!!!elventy!!1
I take it you've never looked at cap charger II costs and profit margin?
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Vina
One just sold for this. A module that costs like 200-400k to build probably, and someone finds it profitable to buy the bpo for 33b isk.
If this doesn't show just how much CCP ****** up tech 2.... man I dunno.
whatever. tech 2 will be the end of this game.
OMG TEH SKIE IZ FALLING!@!!!!1!!!!elventy!!1
I take it you've never looked at cap charger II costs and profit margin?
GGGRRRR i wish i had a cap recharger 2 BPO for my Apoc then refitting it would cost me less.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: Vina
Originally by: Aodha Khan
If someone is willing to pay it then that's what we call a 'player run market'.
if you went to a car dealership, and the Car with no power locks or windows was $10000 and the one with power locks and windows was $8,950,000 which would you buy?
That is the situation with tech 1/tech 2
Actually, in terms applicable to you, it would be the difference between shagging a cat, and shagging a catgirl.   
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:11:00 -
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Well yeah, I wish I had a Cap Charger II BPO so I could sell it for about 100bil or more, and buy half a dozen BPOS i'd get more use out of (of course this would be after I made myself a few hundred cap IIs for personal use).
Anyways, this thread, and the whining and arguing in it will not change ANYTHING. CCP has already said what they're going to do to help fix the problem.
And besides, I don't want to hear people who can ***** a complex for billions of isk to ***** about others making easy money. I'm not talking about the 10/01s alliances use, but the 8-9s, maybe even the 7s, which someone could run easily on 1-2 people, and walk away a few hundred mil richer, and can do it like clockwork. Just because someone else's isk machine runs alittle eaier doesn't mean you aren't able to churn that money out easier than most others.
Not to mention T2 sellers aren't getting isk out of nowhere, they're just aquiring existing isk.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Odorless
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:23:00 -
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What would you ppl think would hapen if everyone that grinds missions for RP would be guaranteed to get tech2 BPO/BPC? I sure as hell wouldn't buy a single HAC/Recon or whatever anymore if i could get them for "free". But hey... maybe that's just me |
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