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Vina	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:04:00 - [1] One just sold for this. A module that costs like 200-400k to build probably, and someone finds it profitable to buy the bpo for 33b isk. If this doesn't show just how much CCP ****** up tech 2.... man I dunno. whatever. tech 2 will be the end of this game. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Sadist	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:05:00 - [2] Supported. Situations with some T2 modules are just plain broken. --------------- VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Vina whatever. tech 2 will be the end of this game. last I heard they were almost entirely renovating the T2 distribution system with Kali, aren't they? I think I can bear with it til then.... though my R&D agent forking over an Exhumer BPO would sure soften the pain.... hell any of my R&D agents forking over a BP or two at all would be nice. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Vina	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Kel Shek last I heard they were almost entirely renovating the T2 distribution system with Kali, aren't they? They aren't. tech 2 BPOs will still be the isk printers of 50000% profit margins they currently are. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:18:00 - [5] If someone is willing to pay it then that's what we call a 'player run market'. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Vina	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Aodha Khan If someone is willing to pay it then that's what we call a 'player run market'. if you went to a car dealership, and the Car with no power locks or windows was $10000 and the one with power locks and windows was $8,950,000 which would you buy? That is the situation with tech 1/tech 2 ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Aodha Khan If someone is willing to pay it then that's what we call a 'player run market'. if you went to a car dealership, and the Car with no power locks or windows was $10000 and the one with power locks and windows was $8,950,000 which would you buy? That is the situation with tech 1/tech 2 Actually, in terms applicable to you, it would be the difference between shagging a cat, and shagging a catgirl. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Benglada	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:23:00 - [8] if there were only 20 cars with powerlocks in the world gues which id buy --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Ixianus	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:26:00 - [9] Yeah, you know, they should make it all extremely cheap so that noone has any motivation at all to vary what they use in combat and such. If you want the best you pay more than the rest.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Kel Shek last I heard they were almost entirely renovating the T2 distribution system with Kali, aren't they? They aren't. tech 2 BPOs will still be the isk printers of 50000% profit margins they currently are. Did you miss the news of the planned R&D revamp, reverse-engineering and the plan to make "hacking" profession the base for current tech levels of production? Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:28:00 - [11] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Actually, in terms applicable to you, it would be the difference between shagging a cat, and shagging a catgirl. ... wow.... .. yeah... erm, anyway. I woulda sworn i read somewhere they were going to alter the system.... not taking out the lottery entirely, but making it so you could "buy" bpc's or some BPO's with RP or something? was I dreaming or did they just cancel that plan? ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
keepiru	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:29:00 - [12] God, i wish all t2 bpos were gazillion percent profit machines. Most of us have to settle for 15-30% profit t2 bpos. ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
Gierling	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:47:00 - [13] /me has never flown a tech II ship, and never will. Frankly I cant say that It's slowed me down, tech II is largely an isk sink. If you've ever been in a situation where the difference between a tech II mod and a Tech I mod dictated the outcome... your tactics suck. PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
Khatred	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Kel Shek last I heard they were almost entirely renovating the T2 distribution system with Kali, aren't they? They aren't. tech 2 BPOs will still be the isk printers of 50000% profit margins they currently are. yeah, because we all know that most, if not all t2 bpos run on 10000000% profit. Oh, and I am selling t2 clues too. I got the only bpo in game. _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
Vina	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Gierling /me has never flown a tech II ship, and never will. Frankly I cant say that It's slowed me down, tech II is largely an isk sink. If you've ever been in a situation where the difference between a tech II mod and a Tech I mod dictated the outcome... your tactics suck. tech 2 is NOT an isk sink. The isk does not disappear at all during tech 2 construction/sale. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:57:00 - [16] lol what's the matter, got no isk? Seriously... enough of the t2 crying. Don't buy the things if you cannot afford it, if you can then sush. -=====-
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 30/04/2006 07:59:11 This is a game. Games are usually balanced in a way that players have a positive experience while playing it. So forget your player driven market argument. The market will be mostly player driven that's true, but the gaming experience that the players have while playing is probably rated higher than the iskies of a single player. Sure, CCP doesn't want to screw over the t2 bpo owners, but at some point they might do some modifications to the system to improve the gaming experience for the majority. This happened in combat, look back in EVE history and early forms of pirating and this will also happen, if research/production/trade develop into a direction that affects a lot of players negatively. Example: If someone had a lot of isk, somehow managed to optain all covert op cloaking device bpos and decided to never build covert ops cloacking devices, because he doesn't like covert ops and wants them out of the game, then CCP would probably show him that free player market has limits and that they are finally in the god position to decide, what they want in game. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Vina	Posted - 2006.04.30 07:59:00 - [18] Originally by: MysticNZ lol what's the matter, got no isk? Seriously... enough of the t2 crying. Don't buy the things if you cannot afford it, if you can then sush. lol I ahve plenty of money. THe problem is with random people in eve suddenly getting 35b blueprints for doing absolutely nothing. They did not deserve it in any way. If tech 2 bpos were available to everyone who put in the time and effort to aqcuire one, I wouldn't mind paying the retarded prices, cause at least they worked their ass off to get the bpo. Not just click 1 button and some weeks later are suddenly ******* rich. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Benglada	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Snake Jankins Example: If someone had a lot of isk, somehow managed to optain all covert op cloaking device bpos and decided to never build covert ops cloacking devices, because he doesn't like covert ops and wants them out of the game, then CCP would probably show him that free player market has limits and that they are finally in the god position to decide, what they want ingame. And i wish him well with his new bpos. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy t2. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Vina	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:05:00 - [20] Edited by: Vina on 30/04/2006 08:06:21 I missed that one. Ultimately it is not the prices that are what I am talking about, it's the fact that people who are undeserving get so much wealth. Tech 2 bpo requires no work to get. People like Leno who get nighthawk BPOs for 10000 RP... it's ridiculous. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Khatred	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:05:00 - [21] And you missed the Hulk that went for 80+ bil. Or did you freaked out too much on that one? _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:06:00 - [22] Edited by: MysticNZ on 30/04/2006 08:07:20 Originally by: Vina Originally by: MysticNZ lol what's the matter, got no isk? Seriously... enough of the t2 crying. Don't buy the things if you cannot afford it, if you can then sush. lol I ahve plenty of money. THe problem is with random people in eve suddenly getting 35b blueprints for doing absolutely nothing. They did not deserve it in any way. If tech 2 bpos were available to everyone who put in the time and effort to aqcuire one, I wouldn't mind paying the retarded prices, cause at least they worked their ass off to get the bpo. Not just click 1 button and some weeks later are suddenly ******* rich. Pretty flawed logic since this is what happens in real life. The guy works hard for it and sold it. The guy (alliance) who bought it has worked hard for the isk as well. What's the problem? Jellous you couldn't buy it? -=====-
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:07:00 - [23] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 30/04/2006 08:09:33 Originally by: Benglada Originally by: Snake Jankins Example: If someone had a lot of isk, somehow managed to optain all covert op cloaking device bpos and decided to never build covert ops cloacking devices, because he doesn't like covert ops and wants them out of the game, then CCP would probably show him that free player market has limits and that they are finally in the god position to decide, what they want ingame. And i wish him well with his new bpos. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy t2. If you read it right, I said he wouldn't put them on the market, so that people can't use covert ops. Naive to think that CCP would tolerate such a situation. Sorry, t2 bpo owners are just players like everyone else. The balance might change at any time and if someone feels uncomfortable with it, he has the right to quit. Except that he has no right. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Vina	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:08:00 - [24] Quote: Pretty flawed logic since this is what happens in real life. uh, no it's not? someone has to invest money, time, and effort in R&D, marketing, etc to design a product. it doesn;t just appear out of thin air. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Sadist	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:11:00 - [25] Originally by: MysticNZ Pretty flawed logic since this is what happens in real life. The guy works hard for it and sold it. The guy (alliance) who bought it has worked hard for the isk as well. What's the problem? Jellous you couldn't buy it? Pretty flawed indeed. It takes much more grinding and effort to collect the ISK to buy the bpo, rather than win it by pure luck with a lottery. And by much more, I mean so much, that the system can be effectively considered broken. --------------- VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
RangerXT	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:12:00 - [26] I think my 5 research agents should provide me atleast one T2 ship bpo. Am I right people? Petition to show your support!
Dimitri Chandler	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:14:00 - [27] T2 BPOs are one of the best things, closest to 'end game' in the game. People buy them because they can afford them. Some people have been playing the game for 3 years. Thats a long time to accumulate isk. The only way such uber items remain 'uber' is because the price is high, and exclusive to 90% of the playerbase. Payback time on a t2 BCU bpo at 33bn is a hell of a long time. I doubt there is profit in making the modules in the short to medium term. However, some BPOs are accumulating assets - these are generally the ones that produce high use, high volume, moderate price items. - cap rechargers, cloaks, shield boost amps, armor reps, shield boosters. As the playerbase increases, these go up in value accordingly. Others reduce in value since nobody uses what they produce. The common misconception that these BPOs are only worth 12 months profit is plain wrong. It's like buying a house and suggesting that its only worth the equivalent of 12 months rent. I think 33bn on a BCU II bpo is a little on the high side, but am not surprised it has gone this high. Ravens are the most popular BS in the game afterall. I would have been prepared to pay 25 or so for it. Exiles recruiting Nope :) -Capsicum
RangerXT	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:22:00 - [28] Okay guys I know I asked you to petition so I could get a T2 ship BPO. And according to this GM chat they've recieved 17 petitions in the last 10 minutes about it. They are kinda ticked so I want you all to know I was just joking and stop petitioning them. I know it's not fair I don't have a T2 ship BPO but pestering the devs isn't the way to go about it. But all my love to my boys who supported me.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:26:00 - [29] Edited by: Nyphur on 30/04/2006 08:25:53 Originally by: Snake Jankins This is a game. Games are usually balanced in a way that players have a positive experience while playing it. Eve isn't. Eve was never like other games in that respect and I hope it never will be. Alterations have been made that support this trend, like insurance, but I find that eve is not ultimately balanced around the players having a positive experience. Everquest 2 was designed around that concept, that everyone should be able to have fun when playing it, regardless of skill level. It ended up being World of Warcraft for Everquest fans. Rewards without effort, rewards without challenge, rewards without skill. They recently removed death penalty from the game. You can't lose your gear, ever. You can simply revive nearby if killed and without death penalty people actually use this to travel, jumping off cliffs because it's shorter than walking all the way back to town. They give you reward without risk. Even on the pvp servers there are insane restrictions on pvp because the whole pvp system is just a hack on top of the game. When you kill someone, you get half of the money they're carrying, which is usually approximately zero because they know they'll lose it and don't carry any, and have a 10% chance of losing one thing from your inventory (one ****ty thing, by the way. The rare stuff won't ever drop). Tack onto that the fact that the game designers bend over backward for the players to keep them happy and you can see how much that game strives to keep players having a positive experience. In eve, there sure as hell is a death penalty. I don't neccecarilly ahve a positive eperience in it just like in real life. I could have all my POS destroyed when they are still months away from returning on their investment. All my work over the past few months could be removed by other players with a fleet of dreads. I could be blown up while mining and lose a ship. If I am out complex-running and I find I'm in over my head but am scrambled, as has happened before, I die and I sure as hell feel the isk hurt because I fly a Deimos with deadspace mods. None of this stuff is a positive experience and people continually quit eve over things like this but for me it's what makes eve awesome. The fact that where there's reward, there's risk, effort, skill or cunning involved is a big attraction to me. If there's nothing to lose, there's nothing worth gaining. In contrast to everquest 2, everquest 1 had harsh death penalties. You could go down levels by XP loss when you die and the only consolation was that higher level resurrection spells reclaimed some of the xp loss. In addition, you could lose your gear if you couldn't retrieve your corpse. They did everything right, in my opinion, and then went into everquest 2 and did everything wrong because it would make people have a positive experience when playing it. I'm sure rapid, free rewards and a complete lack of penalty for failure appeals to more people than skill-based, effort-based or risk-based reward schemes like that employed in eve but I personally don't think it's worth it. Like I said, if there's nothing to lose by doing something, what you gain from it isn't worth squat because anyone could do it. EDIT: Oh crap, huge post. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.04.30 08:27:00 - [30] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 30/04/2006 08:33:17 When Kali comes, it might happen that high profit items get reverse engineered a lot, e.g. that a bcs-II drops from 7.5 mil isk or more, I haven't bought any lately, to maybe 4 mil isk. Who knows, the system isn't finished yet. If that really happens, I think someone, who spend 33bil isk for the BPO has no reason to cry. He knew that the R&D changes are coming with Kali and that ultra-high profit items will be affected most. edit: Or e.g. cap-rechargers-2. I am about 99% sure that the times of 15 mil isk/unit are over then. You can flame me, but finally it doesn't make a difference, because the devs don't listen to me. They do it wether you kill me or not. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'

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