Good point. If something is too disgusting for Goons, it's probably something that's proscribed by every civilized society in the world.

Please do share. I have a slow day at the office and this thread is amazing!


Edit: Page snipe!

Allow me to reiterate on the reality of cyber bullying:

Ive said it multiple times to multiple people in this thread.

The Mittani + Fan fest.

It happened, he broke no rules, yet he got a temp ban and was forced from his position. That was the right thing to do in that situation, its also my opinion that Erotica should have all his assets/isk removed and also receive a ban, but i have morals so i guess im in the minority.

Seems some people don't understand how much 1 billion is.
If you only have 1 billion in assets you probably worked for it in Eve.
That's not $20 but hours and hours and hours in gameplay.
The emotional tie to that is alot stronger then with someone who just buys a PLEX and sells it.
I can understand that guy trying to get that back.
He is not gonna make the bill and say 'oh well I can buy it all back tomorrow'
I can understand him exploding and crossing a line.
Not that this is a smart or acceptable thing to do.

I do not understand the 'fun' one gets out of pushing someone to his breaking point.

Anyway..this thread tells me I have to call my parents tomorrow.
Thank them thousand times for giving me a decent upbringing with a moral compass.

Hands up anyone who missed the point of "Isn't that the game where...?"

Well, CCP is officially aware of the incident upthread. Let's see what they choose to do about it before someone dies.

No, i consider those acts as punishment for being dumb in a fleet, it's in good taste and doesnt go too far and cross in to purposeful and prolonged bullying with the intent to inflict as much hurt and distress on that individual. Theres no malice involved in singing on comms to your corp mates to make up for never not shooting blues.

Erotica got that guys assets/isk in that recording, but instead of kicking him and moving on, decided instead to prolong his humiliation for his own and his hangers on amusements.

Theres a very clear difference, you know it too, but your choosing to play devils advocate.

The size of this thread is evidence enough that Erotica1 stood to gain more than just assets/isk.

Hey look, a psychopath sadist talks about civility. So Erotica tell me, hows it going? You humiliated any more vulnerable people today, maybe made one or two cry? You would like that wouldnt you.

And therein lies the problem at the heart of this issue. Every player who gets their jollies from the pain of others, whether due to scamming, ganking in game, or through public humiliation, are all contributing to the toxic environment that drives existing players out and keeps new players away. What happens when all the victims are gone and the trolls and griefers and tormentors turn on each other? Well, not a lot, because the plug would have been pulled long before that.

As has enforced **** **** with a *****-****** wrapped in sandpaper

The earth has always been flat.

I would laugh and applaud if someone kicked Erotica1 in the face at a Fanfest.
Nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA.

I would also laugh and applaud if Erotica1 was banned from the game.
Again, nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA.

Wouldn't you?

The earth is now a bowl.

Dave: This is an irrelevant spaceship game.
Dave: Pardon me while I make 30 important posts about it.

Clear enough now?

I am not causing anyone misfortune by laughing or applauding.

The same cannot be said of Erotica1.

Nice try though!

I dont hear anyone singing gleefully in that recording.

I hear a group of sadists circlejerking with sweaty palms amidst much heavy breathing at the suffering they can inflict on a person outside of the game.

I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding.

What all of the people who defend this have failed to answer is this.

Whilst accepting that scamming, stealing and being a bit of a douche in a game is one thing.

Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?

I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.

Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.

CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.

Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country?

Thats fked up, dude.

At the point the recording begins, Erotica1 already has the entirety of the victims assets.

The sole and only purpose of the subsequent entire 2hrs torment, is to humiliate and grief the victim.
That is malice.

At what point in the recording does the victim sing?

personally, i have a brummie accent.

Salvos, you're really not helping yourself here...

Mags, Baltec, Dave, Jenn et al: Stop the broken record already! We know that the victim used some bad words and slurs when, after two hours of torment, he finally snapped (losing his composure, temper and possible a few marbles). Does that make his use of said words excusable? No. Does it make his stream of invective understandable? Yes. Let's move on shall we?

The words the victim used, or the threats, empty or otherwise, made towards E1 were made after 2 hours of systematic psychological and emotional abuse. Yes, they were bad words. We get it. Really.

I don't find that the most troubling thing here. What I do find troubling is that a group iof people finds it funny to incite somebody so hard that they lose it and resort to that kind of language.

Surely you must be reasonable enough to recognise when someone has been baited so hard that they lose their temper and say things that they regret.

My turn to drown in pepsi

Already sent the tip to CNN, BBC, Guardian, and couple of other news sites I read. Someone is bound to pick this up.

Spread the word! Force CCP to act!

If this or any similar acts becomes a major news story CCP is going to have problems. The headline "Cyberbullying in EVE" will create unwanted attention. As a business, CCP should consider the situation and act so as to protect their profits and the game.

Personally I would like to see more sportsmanship in EVE. I think that would be a good use of CCP's efforts.

can i make a "that's what she said" joke?

because, that's what she said.

Doesn't matter whose side they take. What matters is they will say EVE allows and tolerates this kind of thing - and thats a BIG negative for CCP right there. It might attract a few dozen sadists to the game, but it will turn off a lot more normal guys.

The idea is for CCP to be forced into preventative measures - such as, I dont know, booting E1, his alts, his friends? That would be appropriate. Better then high school justice at fanfest, and probably more effective then cancelling subscriptions by regular people.

Check the length of the recording. That stuff went on for over an hour, with the player's in-game assets being used as leverage to continue the abuse. This was not an isolated off-hand comment.

Absolutely despicable and clear case of cyber-bullying.

I bet you took great satisfaction in reporting them. You have also reported people for spawning Concord during your interdictions,

Some people say things they don't mean in the heat of the moment. Whether you judge them for that is one thing. You might be in a rage, drunk or just joking - once you've said it it's done.

It doesn't mean that you believe it. Whether you try and dance around it with semantics is irrelevant. The guy had been pushed to his limit and he lost it.

That would be a good analogy, if a Monopoly game lasted six years and you had to play a minimum of six months before you had trained the necessary skill to build hotels.

obvious scam is obvious


T.T

This entire thread is arguing semantics and bad analogies and should be nuked.

if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?

Interesting.
You call somebody a idiot yet you fail to realize that this incident involves a deliberate action to dodge law/Eula by luring a persone OUT of game in order to humiliate and bully while entire ordeal is about IN GAME assets.

You are actually the first person to fall for such **** in real life cause you lack the brain cells to process basic information.

How about stop being stupid for once. Goon tag does carry a reputation but this ain't funny anymore.
Justifications of any kind prove you have serious issues.
You all defended fucktani after his fanfest shitfall and now you're here again. Just stop if there's nothing of value that you can add to this basket.

They have to act as E1 used their game to lure the victim.

He used EVE to lure the victim, recorded his humiliating and bullying practices, posted them back in eve forums and everything involves in game assets.

Have you even read the EULA to the point of understanding it? (It's a rethorical question so don't brother as it's clear already)

The stuff I heard about was on goon forums, may or may not exist anymore, and I'm not going to potentially expose myself to something illegal, nor am I going to get myself in trouble by posting goon crap on eve-o. He was run out of GSF for a reason and finding his posts is hard anyway.

Unlike many posters in this thread, I don't think Erotica 1 should be stopped or punished, because he's not breaking any rules here. He's just creepy as hell and I'm willing to confirm as much to anyone who has ears to hear it.

Bonus Rounds are sociopath level crap even if it's banal most of the time, I'm willing to complain all the way up to saying CCP should do anything, because they shouldn't.

If any Important Goons want to disclose some of the crap he's done that's 'over the line' they can, but i'm just a line member who is super creeped out by his actions. He has made me second guess some of my own past actions even though I've never come close to taking anyone for a ride like he has.

Not sure if it's been linked yet, but it seems it is starting to make the rounds on mainstream media: http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/

GÇ£Sunlight is the best disinfectant.GÇ¥ Maybe a little visibility and transparency within the EVE community and outside of it will be what does the most good.

Go find it goon. I ain't gonna hold your hand. It's a tuff world and if you don't like my answers you can stop posting and leave oh and HTFU etc etc etc.

Kinda funny don't you think?

Not good enough. That simple half sentence begs for more detail. Much more.

C'mon. Spill.

Mr Epeen

They have a responsibility to their users to exercise due care and diligence. If they are aware that a player (erotica 1) is deliberately targeting vulnerable players, using the game to manipulate them into going onto teamspeak to be subjected to humiliation, bullying and harassment to the extent that the player could potentially harm themselves or cause harm to others then they have a responsibility to deal with that since its originating in game.

There is also a section in the EULA which deals with criminal acts. Recording and publishing information that should be private, as in private conversations is defamation, is a breach of privacy. You cannot record a private conversation and publish that conversation on the EvE forums without breaking the law. The person must be told they are being recorded and the person must give consent to that recording being published.

If Erotica 1 was using a 3rd party website to lure victims for its sick game then that'd be different but he is using in game and the EvE O forums.

So it's ok to torment, harass, belittle, and otherwise engage in cyber bullying (Which is categorised as a real crime by most countries akin to assault) as long as you wind your victim up to the point at which they snap?

I'm sorry, but just no. You are trying to justify abuse by 'the victim got aggressive back to me'

That flag simply doesn't fly. And if you honestly think it does, well then I'm disgusted at you also, and everyone else who thinks that excuses Erotica's outright revolting & knowingly abusive behaviour.

There is your justification. As I said in another thread, it takes no mental or semantic gymnastics to fit everything Erotica1 did in that box. There is nothing arbitrary or vague about a ban stemming from the behavior being discussed here.

Word is CCP is actively investigating the incident.

Permabans for E1 and Co.

Sadists who look to lure vulnerable people to emotionally **** them have no place in EVE.

Out of curiosity, is deliberately misrepresenting CCP communications bannable?

He continuously baited someone with promises of giving his stuff back, while asking him to do humiliating things drawing attention to a speech impediment. specifically targeted this individual to aggravate him and take advantage of him for 2 hours.

That clearly falls under the guidelines quoted.

Meh, if that were true, then Goonwarm would have quit en masse over the mittani scandal.

First off, the EULA is not the only set of "rules" that define who or what can be said and done in game. Human decency trumps anything that a set of lawyers dreamed up, and in their worst nightmares, no one could imagine the abomination we are discussing now. CCP also is a private company, and can toss any customer they like, for any reason they like, whenever they like. Frankly, I expect one of the cartel members to ban me from the game soon enough.

So just stuff your crap about the EULA and how it is some writing on some stone tablets that the players and CCP must live by, forever, unchanging, and anything not covered in the EULA must be allowed to continue.

And BTW, absolutely, this slime IS being targeted and singled out. Nothing wrong with that at all. If CCP makes a very public example of him, that will have the desired chilling effect on the psychopaths like him, hopefully. There is always a first perpetrator convicted of a new law. And yes, it does not matter that the "law" is not written in the EULA. Common decency trumps that by a mile. CCP can change the EULA after the fact, or not at all.

Humans should not need some idiotic words massaged by some lawyer to know right from wrong, and how to behave in society, even if that society is a cutthroat game.

No. Today you learned how community has had enough BS, and decided to police itself. Get with the program or leave.

By the way, only E1 will take the fall for this if you play your cards right. You should jump ship while you can. Delete all your posts, and lay low.

That's pretty much spot on for what Erotica and its 'friends' did.

You can't be serious mate.

What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far

I didint imply. I did tip the FBI, and several other agencies.

Not sure if serious ????

Interpol..................... WTF ? seriously, if they are whoever called them up is going to get a torn a new one for wasting police time....................

READ THE REST OF THE QUOTE.

If this was a Erotica1 Bonus task, you would have failed.

But, honestly - TIMING is not the issue. NOR is the actual scam or the ignorance/greed of the victim. It's about the cyber-bullying, making fun of a guy's speech impediment, and the scammer's overt desire to avoid CCP's user agreement by trying to move the whole thing offsite. And then it's about posting the conversation for the sheer purpose of having others join in "the fun" of watching another guy lose his net virtual worth and get extremely agitated in the process. That's what this is about.

Gotta be kidding me, now some guy sits next to me in the library and is passed out snoring.

Section 6 Part C

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/

Terms of service point 4 - Anti Social Behaviour E.G the prolonged abuse of another player (human being) not the avatar

quote "You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy."

link =]https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/

Errr... if there's nothing wrong with the bonus room, then there's nothing wrong with Ripard's blog as well?

those people falling about racism, are the same guys who use the word ****** but just not in local.

Has CCP made a comment on this issue since the first one telling us all to be polite to each other? 158 pages and it's still going strong.

It does seem like the use of this 'bonus room' idea is premeditated in that I think others have said the conversation was moved from EVE voice to a TS channel. So Erotica 1 probably knew beforehand that there could be some comeback on him if he conducted his actions through EVE voice.

I also don't understand why Erotica 1 didn't realise it had gone too far once the victims wife intervened and started asking Erotica 1 what was happening. Would he like this to happen to one of his family members, wife or children?

A lot of replies are focusing on the anger of the victim directed at Erotica 1 on the sound recording and on possibly violent suggestions towards Erotica 1 within replies to this post. People will react in different ways to being bullied and some will react aggressively and/or with violence. It's completely understandable if you mess with people to expect a reaction. Play with fire and you will get burned.

I don't think so.

But don't care about that.
I care about the fact that people like E1 actively drive away new players.

You, among many others, are going to look pretty foolish if Erotica1 eventually drives someone to suicide with these antics.

Ethics has never been the question. It's about harm, and how fragile human minds are when they are pushed around by a master manipulator.

Lol, I wish I did know.

I do not think it is of topic because it would show what kind of person E1 actually is.

If he is the kind of person who has even creeped the goons out to such a point that they have kicked him twice because of his actions then the guy this great people are trying to make him out to be but somebody who likes to humiliate and cause mental anguish to people for his own private sick pleasure and well, I think most people would not want him to be part of our community.

What challenge is there in parting a fool from his money? (specifically referring to scamming)

We clearly do need to change EVE, as it is the ONLY MMO where such things like this and that other nasty incident involving the mittani have ever taken place.....

make Combat as harsh as we can stand, fine. But do not pretend like the EVE community does not have a cancer, when we have two well published and documented cases of such depravity.

If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.

Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.

There is no win condition. I'm pretty sure this has been established. It's just for Ero1's amusement.

Sorry Baltec but E1 has admitted he takes out of game to avoid the EULA/TOS himself, not because external voice comms are better (which they are).

Please provide proof

I do control what they have access to, but still believe this is a correct action to take. The ratings on this game need to take into account what actually happens in the game. I have provided them (I would be shocked if others haven't as well) evidence and at the very least they will be informed and that's the first step. I think CCP could end this now by doing what is ethically and morally right, but that is their decision to make.

If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.

Well the evidence speaks loads of what the "bonus room" is all about, but it might just as well be used for high stakes isk movements and rmt`ing due to the rules set around it.

Welcome to the public view of the "bonus room", E1 could have sent this so called gameplay out to a public hearing before engaging in it..

They would not need to ban anyone if they would stop catering to the lowest moral fiber of humanity

Heaven forbid we prevent one dickhead from sabatoging the work and cooperation of a group of players potentially reaching the thousands.

Well that's when I know Baltec is on damage control Lolz

I made about 500 sales of "Redeemers" in Geddon body and never ever had to give somebody the real thing.

This crap about scam must work theory is just one pile of dogpoo and jita local tears simply destroy it.

I hear a guy manipulate somebody to intentionally humiliate him using in game leverage with false promise and going public on top of it.
You got to be a total douche not to even consider it as something wrong.

I could care less about lost pixels but if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people and intentionally set everything up to dodge ban hammer then no matter what some twisted individuals think this is a case for outrage and I'm glad that at least part of this already ****** up community is able to pull they eyes out of their ass and realize that things went too far.

Go chase a kangaroo and stop acting like wrong is ok because it's cool.

However we have Mynnna saying in relation to Jesters Blog

"Erotica1 had an alt in a goon membercorp (or perhaps it was his main character, who knows) and when he brought attention to himself trying to brag about his actions we shot him in the head for it"

So which is it, did he leave on his own accord, was he kicked just for general bad posting as baltec has stated, or was he kick as Mynnna alluded to, bragging about his specific actions in relation to him recording and humiliating people?

There are many rumours that he was called out by a director for an incident involving mayonnaise... ( I really do not want to know)

I mean if 2 prominent goons, one who is on the CSM are saying E1 was kicked due his boosting about his antics but E1 is saying he left of his own accorded and was not kicked, who is lying?

Maybe but it's within game rules and it stays in CCP controlled environment.
That's what I am talking about yet you all defend somebody going RL and publicly with humiliation in mind.

**** man just send me Wester Union transfer. I'll ******* quadruple it.

Oh here we go. Offended by stereotypes yet it's ok to intentionally humiliate people and go public with it.

I agree cyberbullying has long been a problem and I guess we are tired of being silent about it.

You dont know what is going on in that persons life to make him vulnerable but someday it will happen to you or someone you love. Either way it doesnt change that it is sick to take advantage of the weaker among us and to delight in torturing the weaker of us. Just makes me nauseous.

Not entirely correct.
For example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4398173#post4398173
(There were others, too. It just was easier to find my own post.)

Not at all, IF E1 is lying about being kicked then why believe anything else he is saying?

I say if because it is not fair just to presume he is lying.

However why would 2 prominent Goons, both Baltec 1 and Mynnna say he was kicked and why kick him for something which Baltec advocates is fine.

I mean you may ban somebody for a small out of time or simply troll him for bad posting but to kick him for just bad posting, bit harsh wouldn't you say?

Intentional and deliberate humiliation with imaginary carrot on the end of the stick is harassment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment

Baltec, you have not mentioned the part where they made fun of the mark for having a speech impediment, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you do not approve of that part at least.

Again, when it comes to the marks intemperate use of language, he was provoked and reacted badly, which he should not have done in an ideal world.

Did.

I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "

"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?

Then lets play the recording over speakers at the next Fanfest at the unveiling of the Monument, as a shining testament to that.

It is, afterall, what is advertised, as you say.

No because we do not know if any rules were broken.

The rules are open to interpretation, we each have own opinion on how the rules can be interpreted. The only people who can say definitely if any rules were broken is CCP.

I guess with time we will find out.

Nope, I have really bad hearing in real life, are you saying that Jester made that part up?

Then what are the rules. Please clarify each rule in the TOS/EULA with a detail explanation of each one so we will all be clear.

Let me ask this question.

If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all.

Hmm.. you seem to be having problems reading again...


If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM bolded that part for you

Yet again avoiding a very simple question. You seem to do that a lot these days.

A simple yes or no and short explanation as to why will suffice

Taking the mickey or verbally harassing someone over their disability. This is the point where Erotica 1 should have realised he had gone too far and ended the convo. When the victims wife took over and stated asking what was going on this really should have been a hammer to his head. Any right thinking person just doesn't do this. The convo had gone way beyond the pale.

A lot of replies are focusing on the angry outburst from the victim once he had reached the end of his tether and sounded near to an emotional breakdown. I would argue that most of us would have exploded like that if they had been in that convo for hours like he was. So to focus on the wording of his barrage of uncontrollable anger is beside the point and is not the issue. The sole issue is that Erotica 1 took things too far and should have engaged his brain.

That is not an answer to the question I posted which you have edited out.. let me ask again..

"If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all."

Does that help?

ITT too many fear mongers who think that one creep getting punishment will automatically mean it is precedent for everyone else getting perma-banned.

Way to blow things out of proportions.

Imagine if CCP did nothing, then it would be saying that they accept this kind of behavior.

No ****. Why do you think I feel the victims don't deserve sympathy?



If this was a private matter, there wouldn't be hours upon hours of recordings made public for people to hear.

Try filming yourself doing something illegal like stealing a car, posting it on youtube, then insist that people are meddling in your private business when you go to court. Tell me how it works out for you.

The minute Erotica 1 posted the recordings, it became a public matter. If that wasn't the case, this threadnaught wouldn't exist.

See the elaboration in my sig, for the specifics of how this conduct constitutes torture.

Yeah, way to make us all look bad E1. GTFO.

My logic is that E1 made the recording public, Riptard is merely trying to draw attention to it. I would argue that any damage caused to CCP's reputation would be the result of E1's actions not Riptards.

I want CCP to make the ban to limit the damage and if they were to also ban Riptard it would have the opposite effect - "CCP bans whistle blower who uncovers sick truth about EVE Online" wouldn't really limit the damage would it?

I'm not claiming it's fair to ban E1 for this, I'm saying CCP can and should do it to protect their bottom line.

Speculation.


Also:
Ganking, fighting, scamming =/= Harrassment and Public Embarrassment

**Can't quote the whole thing but to reply.

I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats.

HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here.

Simple, E1 is a lair and has made random claims to things which he can not prove, claiming a well know director has been in involved in doxing and that he has been blackmailed.

Also if he has done nothing wrong then why was he kicked / banned / forced to leave / leave of his own accord Widot.

If he has done nothing wrong why did the GSF, the group who are the best at scamming feel the need to kickf E1 or disapprove to the extend that E1 felt he had to leave?

What boasts specifically and in what was he shitting up the forums that were that bad that you had to kick from the entire GSF twice and not just banned from the forums?

Ok, let's continue on this, I love it.

Where are ALL the members of Goonswarm sorced again?
Have you read what is posted on those forums.
Don't you agree that asking to sing songs is peanuts compared to the utterly despicable trash, hate and sycophant drivel that is posted there?

Does it not break every single rule in the TOS/EULA of EVE online, yet all those players are fine and dandy additions to our playerbase?

D.

Nope :)

But seriously, TS is not some magical removed from the world lawless wild west where you can do anything your sadistic little heart requires. All action carries responsibility and consequences.

Ask a guy to sing for his ship? Fine.
2-6hrs of it? Wtf is wrong with you?

And btw, if you don't like any of this, you are free to leave at any time :)
Nobody is forcing you to stay, right?

(and yes, emoticons added to intentionally aggravate. is it working? well, you can leave! :)

What gets me about this whole thing, is that Riptard posted this up without the consent of the guy involved. Kobol then spread it all over the forums. So between the 2 of them, they have made sure the majoirty of the EvE community know about it and further embarrassed Sohkar. The guy who has even requested that the whole thing be dropped. Fair play to him for having the balls to speak up.

Wtf is wrong with you moral high grounders that what you are trying to say is so important that you can treat the victim with such disdain. Seriously