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Kami3k
The Lucky Bible Company
11
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:25:00 -
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We didn't even know ya either!
As others are saying in the other topic, CCP would be wise to make Valkyrie not longer require VR of any kind now. I refuse to get a Rift if Facebook really acquires Oculus. So I would refuse to play/buy Valkyrie, unless it's Non-VR playable.
Such a shame, was one of the things I was looking forward to the most, now made into something I wouldn't even touch if paid to do it. The Rift I mean, I'm betting CCP will make it non-VR playable now, if it wasn't already. |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
238
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:15:00 -
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Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software. - Senior Programmer on EVE: Valkyrie / @SiggiGG |
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Alundil
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
438
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:28:00 -
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It's hard to think of a worse adver.....I mean tech company to have bought Oculus.
Regardless of what happens with Valkyrie, and I hope it's a huge success, Oculus attaching themselves to Facebook was a purely $$-driven proposition and will be bad for that company as Facebook is a dying social network. And unlike other tech companies that is their one claim to game outside of M&A. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1071
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:33:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
So you'd like 10 minutes of adverts and a Facebook login to use Rift, eh? That's nice to know. |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
238
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:34:00 -
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They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all.
Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here.
Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey - Senior Programmer on EVE: Valkyrie / @SiggiGG |
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Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:35:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
Please give us a non-Oculus option to play Valkyrie on the PC. We want to throw our money at you and we love you, just give our relationship a chance, please! |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1071
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:40:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey
Just because that's what he's saying now doesn't mean Facebook won't change their mind later if they need to look for more income from it. He is after all a Facebook employee now. |
Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:49:00 -
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He conveniently skipped over the question about Rift being used to intrusively track users for Facebook's advertising engine
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Alundil
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
438
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:58:00 -
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Dr Vulix wrote:He conveniently skipped over the question about Rift being used to intrusively track users for Facebook's advertising engine Shocking Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
470
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:38:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all.
Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here.
Realistically, there's no amount of assurances (or money) that will restore that they just killed their entire community of supporting fans, and ended any chance of it being a success. |
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Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
127
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:41:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey
Yeah its on record now that Marky Zuckercorn Face-f*ck wants to add advertising, and data mining into this gadget that can even track body movements. With the track record of intrusive and downright shady data mining schemes Facebook has been a part of in the past, I feel the Occulus will in no way have the support of the core community it needs to gain a foot hold in the new VR market because of the gigantic lack of trust Facebook has built. People really dont like Facebook. Seriously F*ck the Rift, I hope Valkyrie doesn't sink with this turd.
You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |
Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
314
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:16:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new social overlords.
In all seriousness, Facebook can financially support Oculus and maybe even make their dream of a heavily subsidised headset a reality, confirmed by Palmer on his feed quite explicitly- 'This deal specifically lets us greatly lower the price of the Rift'. This may be what brings VR to the general population rather than leaving it in the niche.
On top of that, Facebook may bankroll extra RnD and bespoke gear on top of the already spectacular work Oculus have done with the hardware their have and their own in-house content generation, which Oculus were keen on for the adoption of VR in a wider context (VR OS anyone?). Having that oomph behind them is good for the future. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
280
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:04:00 -
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Jessica Danikov wrote:I, for one, welcome our new social overlords.
In all seriousness, Facebook can financially support Oculus and maybe even make their dream of a heavily subsidised headset a reality, confirmed by Palmer on his feed quite explicitly- 'This deal specifically lets us greatly lower the price of the Rift'. This may be what brings VR to the general population rather than leaving it in the niche.
On top of that, Facebook may bankroll extra RnD and bespoke gear on top of the already spectacular work Oculus have done with the hardware their have and their own in-house content generation, which Oculus were keen on for the adoption of VR in a wider context (VR OS anyone?). Having that oomph behind them is good for the future.
i'm willing to see what comes out about this, and what comes at fanfest before i decide if i don;t want it.. cause i seriously want a rift |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2387
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:12:00 -
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The audience for the Rift is, currently, tech enthusiasts.
The people least trusting of Facebook are, currently, tech enthusiasts.
This isn't a dealbreaker for me but I am now more apprehensive about buying a Rift. I will now be more willing to wait for a competing product, which isn't good news for Valkyrie if it is near release. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Anyanka Funk
Neo-Sani
58
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:17:00 -
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All I can think is how VR Candy Crush Saga is going to overshadow. anyankafunk.tumblr.com |
tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:20:00 -
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There are rumors that Valve is working on their own headset... And since VR is going to be the next big thing.. there will be no shortage of headset manufacturers in the near future. So I am sure it will be possible to play Eve without facebook..
Unless of course Facebook buys Eve
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Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
198
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:50:00 -
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So CCP's next game is going to be a Facebook one? Did not see THAT one coming ;)
TBH in my opinion it would be for the best if CCP would stop doing "exclusive's". First DUST514 only on PS3 and now Valyrie on Facebooks "Rift" platform. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
500
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:04:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey sorry, but zuckerberg clearly stated he wants to link the VR to FB / advertising, and while i really trust the Oculus guys when they say they don't want this to happen, it's not in their hands anymore, and it WILL, in fine, happen (boiling frog etc...).
say hello to FB login required and 5 minutes ads before playing, this is what will happen.
of course you are free to disagree, but this is how it'll end up.
i was planning on buying a VR, mainly expecting Valkyrie.
now VR is a big no-no, and so his valkyrie unless you guys make it possible to play without the VR
now, it is not a good news for VR imao, while it will allow them more $$ for development / advertising etc..., the drawback is, imao, too big.
regarding the specific case we have here, good luck making EVE ppl swallow that one (hint: they will not)!
also, just saw this:
Quote:"The developer behind the Rift's highest profile game, and the one that Oculus trots out time and again when there's new hardware to show off (EVE: Valkyrie), has nothing but praise.
We're very excited for our friends and colleagues at Oculus," David Reid, CCP Games' CMO told us. "We share their vision about the future of VR and gaming and are looking forward to participating in the consumer launch of the Oculus Rift with EVE: Valkyrie."
from: http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/notch-oculus-facebook-minecraft/
if the CCP's vision about gaming is the same as FB, then it says it all.
question to devs: Do you really think your player base will follow you there? like for real? |
Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
144
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:40:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all.
If you give me 100milion isk, i'll double it. See what i did there? I did what facebook does.
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Gorr Kedesh
Icing Iced
4
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:30:00 -
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If valkyrie has any conections to FB or other similar restrictions i will never play it!
Zuckerberg and his legacies may rot in hell. |
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Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
277
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:04:00 -
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Guys calm down I see a great future for this,
It will be the perfect new interface for PI.
Put on your Facebook VR headset,
Login via the helpful 'Login with Facebook' option,
Don a pair of heavy working gloves,
Get your shovel out.
Start loading those convertors!
They could call it ' Eve PlanetFarmVille'
I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
217
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:07:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey
Palmer is skipping the most pertinent questions though, like how facebook plans to monetize the Oculus and how they go about user Privacy and data gathering. That is not really reasuring.
They also claim facebook as an Open platform. Try doing something mundane with your account, like deleting it or asking Facebook a full report of the information they have on you (the one they have to send through the mail, if you can even find the option) and then come back and ask how 'open' they are. If you do the stuff facebook wants you to do they're very open, if you ask difficult questions about things you are allowed to, but they don't want you to ask about, they're one of the most closed companies there are.
It's quite disconcerning to see CCPc CMO statement though, reading it it looks like CCP is ready to be sold to the lowest common denominator. Quite sad to see an Independent developer like CCP fall down to making social games on a facebook platform. Baddest poster ever |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
132
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:25:00 -
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Quote:"The developer behind the Rift's highest profile game, and the one that Oculus trots out time and again when there's new hardware to show off (EVE: Valkyrie), has nothing but praise.
We're very excited for our friends and colleagues at Oculus," David Reid, CCP Games' CMO told us. "We share their vision about the future of VR and gaming and are looking forward to participating in the consumer launch of the Oculus Rift with EVE: Valkyrie."
If CCP dropped Occulus it would be a pretty huge deal. Valkyrie is one of the highest profile games on the Occulus at this point. CCP potentially wields the power to make or break the PR scene at the moment (Unless they are somehow stupid enough to be under contract with Occulus a¦á_a¦á). They would get a LOT of attention for dropping Occulus, and it might make a lot of on the fence developers drop it as well potentially killing Occulus immediately. Then CCP can ride the wave of PR to the next VR headset and everyone will watch them as they didnt sell their souls, make a bunch of street cred in the gaming community, and potentially have an even wider market of core gamers itching to play Valkyrie.
Or CCP can play it "safe" with Facebook watching over the shoulder of Occulus development. Facebook will be pushing and prodding slowly till the consumer base has enough of the Occulus. CCP will have lost all credibility as a company with any integrity, and will move Valkyrie with their tale between their legs to another VR headset, as eveyrone points and laughs at the Occulus loyalist.
Your move CCP. You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
22
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:34:00 -
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Ofc it was a good choice of them for the immediate future to get more money for better hardware and personal, but in the longrun?
It-¦s not like Zuckerberg is seen as one of the most evil persons in the industry for his actions. Oh wait he is, just look at the leaks from his IMs. Facebook has also shown over and over how much they care about their users and esp their privacy. It-¦s not like that is their business model... You add that to probably the most informed and interested community (exactly the people who supported the OR) in these issues and you can see the shitstorm coming from miles away. I really hope for every CCP dev showcasing Valkyrie that he has had hours and hours of PR training, because Facebook will now be the #1 concern. |
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:42:00 -
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I was looking forward to the Oculus and Valkyrie. Now not so much. I'm not outright rejecting it but they need to do better than dodge the most important questions to get me buy one now.
Also, you might want to start thinking how to reply to those questions that WILL pop up during fanfest about this. And I'd make them extra convincing if I were you. This post was rated "C" for capsuleer. |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
470
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:47:00 -
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Silent Rambo wrote:(Unless they are somehow stupid enough to be under contract with Occulus a¦á_a¦á)
You should assume CCP is indeed that stupid. Their past history reflects that much. |
Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
64
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:08:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:Silent Rambo wrote:(Unless they are somehow stupid enough to be under contract with Occulus a¦á_a¦á) You should assume CCP is indeed that stupid. Their past history reflects that much. Where? |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
280
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:22:00 -
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And you all do realize that you can eventually buy a ps4 and play it that way right?
Sheesh calm down.
You will get more info on if you can play without the rift at fan fest. And you do realize that depending on how they sell valk then the rift is just hardware, so its not like ccp is adding code to track you. i.e. take a chill pill. |
Thead Enco
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
114
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:31:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
Lol are you serious? I take it you not familar with spaibook's business practices? I am not even going to bring up the privacy concerns and the DRM which people are right to bring up. Speaking only for myself I will not buy a occulus rift because I want to support indie devs and with this deal the indie guys will get ****** over every which way because FB feel the need to be at evey levelof the creative process. If you guys can't see that already then I don't know whatto say otherthan I look forward into seeing sonys vr product at E3.
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
281
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:47:00 -
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And just a reminder, rift is a piece of hardware. If that's all they do with it, is leave it as hardware, then you really have nothing to worry about. However, if they have a program where you need to download your game from the facebook store, or you have to use a launcher, then I could see some issues. I for one however, am willing to wait and see. Because lets face it, if Facebook leaves oculus alone, and just basicly pumped money into them, then it is a good thing. It just depends on the deal struck between the two companies, and how much of a hands on FB wants to be with rift.
And as I said two post ago... CHILL OUT. You can still play valk on a ps4, and MAYBE without the rift, which if that's the case then you just buy the game from ccp. Again, rift is a piece of hardware, it just depends on what crap they make you jump through to use it. And when Microsoft got in the console market people laughed at them and said it would be evil.. but the x-box is one of the largest consoles on the planet. So.. we will see what happens. But I think the dev si right, everyone just needs to relax until more info comes out. |
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
503
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:03:00 -
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Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:Crasniya wrote:Silent Rambo wrote:(Unless they are somehow stupid enough to be under contract with Occulus a¦á_a¦á) You should assume CCP is indeed that stupid. Their past history reflects that much. Where? at least 4 occurences:
1- Incarna and mostly the microtransaction madness 2-dust 3- more or less half the things they updated for the past two years 4- the "upgrade" of the bug report thingy, with removed 90% of the former functions 5-............ |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
503
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:08:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:And just a reminder, rift is a piece of hardware. If that's all they do with it, is leave it as hardware, then you really have nothing to worry about. However, if they have a program where you need to download your game from the facebook store, or you have to use a launcher, then I could see some issues. I for one however, am willing to wait and see. Because lets face it, if Facebook leaves oculus alone, and just basicly pumped money into them, then it is a good thing. It just depends on the deal struck between the two companies, and how much of a hands on FB wants to be with rift.
And as I said two post ago... CHILL OUT. You can still play valk on a ps4, and MAYBE without the rift, which if that's the case then you just buy the game from ccp. Again, rift is a piece of hardware, it just depends on what crap they make you jump through to use it. And when Microsoft got in the console market people laughed at them and said it would be evil.. but the x-box is one of the largest consoles on the planet. So.. we will see what happens. But I think the dev si right, everyone just needs to relax until more info comes out. well, in order to operate, the hardware will need drivers, and most probably a software layer to "connect" the applications to said drivers.
this is where the issue will be, said software layer will be a Facebook "steam like", using and requiring FB signin, with ads built in, and possibly deny any game not related to said "store" access to the drivers.
this is eactly what was described here in the first post: https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7316&sid=2f5341cb977b8dd851a19acdb8987f94
meaning to use the VR, you WILL have to be on the FB platform from a dev POV, and your customer WILL have to be "online" with a Facebook account connected, and screw the others, they won't acces the VR |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
281
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:26:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote:DaReaper wrote:And just a reminder, rift is a piece of hardware. If that's all they do with it, is leave it as hardware, then you really have nothing to worry about. However, if they have a program where you need to download your game from the facebook store, or you have to use a launcher, then I could see some issues. I for one however, am willing to wait and see. Because lets face it, if Facebook leaves oculus alone, and just basicly pumped money into them, then it is a good thing. It just depends on the deal struck between the two companies, and how much of a hands on FB wants to be with rift.
And as I said two post ago... CHILL OUT. You can still play valk on a ps4, and MAYBE without the rift, which if that's the case then you just buy the game from ccp. Again, rift is a piece of hardware, it just depends on what crap they make you jump through to use it. And when Microsoft got in the console market people laughed at them and said it would be evil.. but the x-box is one of the largest consoles on the planet. So.. we will see what happens. But I think the dev si right, everyone just needs to relax until more info comes out. well, in order to operate, the hardware will need drivers, and most probably a software layer to "connect" the applications to said drivers. this is where the issue will be, said software layer will be a Facebook "steam like", using and requiring FB signin, with ads built in, and possibly deny any game not related to said "store" access to the drivers. this is eactly what was described here in the first post: https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7316&sid=2f5341cb977b8dd851a19acdb8987f94meaning to use the VR, you WILL have to be on the FB platform from a dev POV, and your customer WILL have to be "online" with a Facebook account connected, and screw the others, they won't acces the VR another way could be via the SDK, to "force" the devs ton include FB within the game. of course, this is speculation, just to show what could be done by FB, but the solution 1 or an hybrid of both is likely to happen
This makes sense, its the only logical place to sell ad's. However, I will say this though, depending on the contract they have with oculus, if, and yes big if, if there is any open source at all, you will see people develop ways around it. Think og the Moga game pad for the android (which I have) in order to use it you have to use the moga game app, and load your game via that. However, if you root your android device, someone wrote a driver for it that completely makes the moga site obsolete. I.e. but moga, root yoru tablet or phone, download rooted driver, play everything with moga pad and ignore the moga software entriley. I
but as I have said already we just have to see |
mkint
1107
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:29:00 -
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Facebook is facebook. It will be dumb to buy an Occulus at all, and probably dumb to by Valkyrie now considering. Now all we can really hope for is that valk can be safely ignored, and they don't try to do another stupid "meaningful connection" like they did with dust. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
503
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:33:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:seth Hendar wrote:DaReaper wrote:And just a reminder, rift is a piece of hardware. If that's all they do with it, is leave it as hardware, then you really have nothing to worry about. However, if they have a program where you need to download your game from the facebook store, or you have to use a launcher, then I could see some issues. I for one however, am willing to wait and see. Because lets face it, if Facebook leaves oculus alone, and just basicly pumped money into them, then it is a good thing. It just depends on the deal struck between the two companies, and how much of a hands on FB wants to be with rift.
And as I said two post ago... CHILL OUT. You can still play valk on a ps4, and MAYBE without the rift, which if that's the case then you just buy the game from ccp. Again, rift is a piece of hardware, it just depends on what crap they make you jump through to use it. And when Microsoft got in the console market people laughed at them and said it would be evil.. but the x-box is one of the largest consoles on the planet. So.. we will see what happens. But I think the dev si right, everyone just needs to relax until more info comes out. well, in order to operate, the hardware will need drivers, and most probably a software layer to "connect" the applications to said drivers. this is where the issue will be, said software layer will be a Facebook "steam like", using and requiring FB signin, with ads built in, and possibly deny any game not related to said "store" access to the drivers. this is eactly what was described here in the first post: https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7316&sid=2f5341cb977b8dd851a19acdb8987f94meaning to use the VR, you WILL have to be on the FB platform from a dev POV, and your customer WILL have to be "online" with a Facebook account connected, and screw the others, they won't acces the VR another way could be via the SDK, to "force" the devs ton include FB within the game. of course, this is speculation, just to show what could be done by FB, but the solution 1 or an hybrid of both is likely to happen This makes sense, its the only logical place to sell ad's. However, I will say this though, depending on the contract they have with oculus, if, and yes big if, if there is any open source at all, you will see people develop ways around it. Think og the Moga game pad for the android (which I have) in order to use it you have to use the moga game app, and load your game via that. However, if you root your android device, someone wrote a driver for it that completely makes the moga site obsolete. I.e. but moga, root yoru tablet or phone, download rooted driver, play everything with moga pad and ignore the moga software entriley. I but as I have said already we just have to see well, they could also not make it opensource and "manage" the release of the SDK to their will, eventually letting out indys, or small studio, at their discretion.
plus, this is not a partnership where you are bound by contract, they actually bought the thing, meaning they can do whatever they want with it, despite what the Oculus team is stating, and even if i really bellieve they do want to stick to their words, they might just no be able to do it because of that fact. |
Myxx
687
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:06:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey I wonder if you're trolling everyone or not. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1207
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:22:00 -
[37] - Quote
Have no fear, this is an awesome thing! Not only will you be able to have all your friends "like" your scores in Valkyrie but the top pilot will be immediately whisked away by NSA agents who will have tracked his mental state, eye movement and reflexes and thus considered a homeland security threat ! This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Heavy Industries
76
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:35:00 -
[38] - Quote
I will not touch this with a 10-lightyear pole as long Facebook owns it. It is certain to ruin the device by trying to bring in some terrible marketing aspect.
While this means someone else will likely create a competitor product... Considering how much CCP has been effectively selling the Rift for Oculus, and the experience of Dust, I am sure Valkyrie is exclusive.
And since it will probably be a free-to-play... the Facebook association connotations are quite disturbing indeed.
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mkint
1108
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:54:00 -
[39] - Quote
Kami3k wrote:We didn't even know ya either!
As others are saying in the other topic, CCP would be wise to make Valkyrie not longer require VR of any kind now. I refuse to get a Rift if Facebook really acquires Oculus. So I would refuse to play/buy Valkyrie, unless it's Non-VR playable.
Such a shame, was one of the things I was looking forward to the most, now made into something I wouldn't even touch if paid to do it. The Rift I mean, I'm betting CCP will make it non-VR playable now, if it wasn't already. Getting Valkarie even if it doesn't strictly require occulus still might be a bad idea... it might already be contaminated by facebook malware. They might even be stuck with it already on contract. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:07:00 -
[40] - Quote
Facebook did not buy the Rift to jump into the VR-gaming industry.
The Zucker Rift will be Bluetooth enabled so you can connect to your mobile device, wander through virtual malls and buy/like crap all while they track your every move. Don't think for a second that after spending 2b on this piece of hardware that they wont require you to need a Facebook login to use it.
The future of Zucker Rift development looks like this..
Virtual consumerism here . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Anything PC gaming related here.
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Ranamar
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
38
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:09:00 -
[41] - Quote
For those of you who still want your Valkyrie fix but refuse to support Facebook in any way, shape, or form, there is another option. Apparently, it's going to also be on PS4 with their VR project, whenever that comes out. (My one problem with that is that I have no other use for a PS4, but... it is an option.)
That said, I'm as suspicious of Facebook having ownership of Oculus as the rest of you. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
282
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
mkint wrote:Kami3k wrote:We didn't even know ya either!
As others are saying in the other topic, CCP would be wise to make Valkyrie not longer require VR of any kind now. I refuse to get a Rift if Facebook really acquires Oculus. So I would refuse to play/buy Valkyrie, unless it's Non-VR playable.
Such a shame, was one of the things I was looking forward to the most, now made into something I wouldn't even touch if paid to do it. The Rift I mean, I'm betting CCP will make it non-VR playable now, if it wasn't already. Getting Valkarie even if it doesn't strictly require occulus still might be a bad idea... it might already be contaminated by facebook malware. They might even be stuck with it already on contract.
*smashes his head into a wall* I give up... the level of dumb over reaction in this thread...
*finds his suicide button* |
Kami3k
The Lucky Bible Company
15
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:34:00 -
[43] - Quote
What a joke you are being CCP with this.
"We're very excited for our friends and colleagues at Oculus," David Reid, CCP Games' CMO told us. "We share their vision about the future of VR and gaming and are looking forward to participating in the consumer launch of the Oculus Rift with EVE: Valkyrie.""
100% massive joke, keep this up, this will equal Incarna soon. |
Grimster
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:19:00 -
[44] - Quote
Another slow-motion trainwreck predicted.
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Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
37
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:54:00 -
[45] - Quote
Well, if CCP doesn't release Valkyrie as playable without the Rift, they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot. Look at how DUST514 turned out with PS3 exclusivity. You can gauge from this thread, and the rest of the Internet, that people are very unhappy about the acquisition of Rift, and many consumers are cancelling their plans to buy one.
We all want to play Valkyrie, but not if it is tied-down with requiring the Rift to play. Please don't kill your game before you even ship it out.
Edit: Also, please don't assume that people are going to run out and buy a PS4 + Morpheus just to play Valkyrie. That's crazy talk; we saw how well that worked for DUST514. Please learn from your mistakes, that's what intelligent companies do. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
282
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:00:00 -
[46] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote:Well, if CCP doesn't release Valkyrie as playable without the Rift, they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot. Look at how DUST514 turned out with PS3 exclusivity. You can gauge from this thread, and the rest of the Internet, that people are very unhappy about the acquisition of Rift, and many consumers are cancelling their plans to buy one.
We all want to play Valkyrie, but not if it is tied-down with requiring the Rift to play. Please don't kill your game before you even ship it out.
Edit: Also, please don't assume that people are going to run out and buy a PS4 + Morpheus just to play Valkyrie. That's crazy talk. We saw how well that worked for DUST514. Please learn from your mistakes, that's what intelligent companies do.
except for the little fact that between 2012 and the end of 2013 ccp made 10m more in game revenue...
and I don't think they picked up 55k new eve subscribers so.... |
Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
37
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:03:00 -
[47] - Quote
DaReaper wrote:
except for the little fact that between 2012 and the end of 2013 ccp made 10m more in game revenue...
and I don't think they picked up 55k new eve subscribers so....
What does that have to do with anything I said about Valkyrie and Oculus? You are hopping from thread to thread about this debacle just to white knight CCP and flame people. Grow up |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
282
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:18:00 -
[48] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote:Well, if CCP doesn't release Valkyrie as playable without the Rift, they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot. Look at how DUST514 turned out with PS3 exclusivity. You can gauge from this thread, and the rest of the Internet, that people are very unhappy about the acquisition of Rift, and many consumers are cancelling their plans to buy one.
We all want to play Valkyrie, but not if it is tied-down with requiring the Rift to play. Please don't kill your game before you even ship it out.
Edit: Also, please don't assume that people are going to run out and buy a PS4 + Morpheus just to play Valkyrie. That's crazy talk; we saw how well that worked for DUST514. Please learn from your mistakes, that's what intelligent companies do.
ok.. lets try this again for someone who can not read or even remembers what he wrote. I bolded the important parts for you, so again I repeat:
except that from the 2012 fiscal year, and the 2013 fiscal year, per this document
Finance for 2013
CCP made 10 million MORE in 2013 then in 2012. Thus dust made money. roughly 10m give or take depending on how many new eve players they got.
My point is, you whining that ccp 'screwed up' by making dust on ps3 and will be another mistake by making valk on ps4 holds no fact based evidence. If ccp did not do whatever write off they did to the tune of 22m they would of made 10 mill more, and close to 12m in profits..
THAT was the point. You brought dust into this, and the fact remains, ccp made more money in 2013 when dust was released then they did in 2012 when it wasn;t. |
Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
37
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:20:00 -
[49] - Quote
DaReaper wrote:Dr Vulix wrote:Well, if CCP doesn't release Valkyrie as playable without the Rift, they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot. Look at how DUST514 turned out with PS3 exclusivity. You can gauge from this thread, and the rest of the Internet, that people are very unhappy about the acquisition of Rift, and many consumers are cancelling their plans to buy one.
We all want to play Valkyrie, but not if it is tied-down with requiring the Rift to play. Please don't kill your game before you even ship it out.
Edit: Also, please don't assume that people are going to run out and buy a PS4 + Morpheus just to play Valkyrie. That's crazy talk; we saw how well that worked for DUST514. Please learn from your mistakes, that's what intelligent companies do. ok.. lets try this again for someone who can not read or even remembers what he wrote. I bolded the important parts for you, so again I repeat: except that from the 2012 fiscal year, and the 2013 fiscal year, per this document Finance for 2013CCP made 10 million MORE in 2013 then in 2012. Thus dust made money. roughly 10m give or take depending on how many new eve players they got. My point is, you whining that ccp 'screwed up' by making dust on ps3 and will be another mistake by making valk on ps4 holds no fact based evidence. If ccp did not to whatever write off they did to the tune of 22m they would of made 10 mill more, and close to 12m in profits.. THAT was the point. You brought dust into this, and the fact remains, ccp made more money in 2013 when dust was released then they did in 2012 when it wasn;t.
CCP pulled in 10 million more. Whether it came from DUST is purely conjecture buddy. EVE subscription numbers have gone up consistently in the past year, while DUST has fallen. Check eve-offline if you want to go look at the numbers.
DUST was a screw up because there are people who want to play it, but can't because of exclusivity. That's lost revenue.
Same situation will play out with Valkyrie + Rift if CCP mandates exclusivity.
Stop white knighting blindly, it's just stupid. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
282
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:23:00 -
[50] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote:DaReaper wrote:
except for the little fact that between 2012 and the end of 2013 ccp made 10m more in game revenue...
and I don't think they picked up 55k new eve subscribers so....
What does that have to do with anything I said about Valkyrie and Oculus? You are hopping between threads about this debacle just to white knight CCP and flame people. Edit: There are a lot of people who really wanted to play DUST, but never have and never will because of PS3 exclusivity (I am one of those people). If CCP mandates people use the Rift or get a PS4, the same situation will play out here. Ultimately, it's lost money for dumb reasons.
There is no debocal, people are crying foul to ccp, a company which is making a game for a platform. CCP has zero control over the rift, and if they made a deal with oculus that deal is then transferred to facebook. The fact remains, until fan fest, we have zero idea if Valk will fully need the rift. So this "oh my gods the sky is falling, FB bought oculus... oh gods' is horse crap. If ccp goes 'well you don't need a rift...' people will buy and play valk, and thouse that don't give a crap if FB owns the rift (like me) will buy the rift.
and thouse that only want the vr part, but don't want a rift will get a ps4 and a morpheous.
As I already said, I did not bring dust into this, you did. The issue is the numbers that 'dust is a failure' do not really hold water. |
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Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
37
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:24:00 -
[51] - Quote
DaReaper wrote: There is no debocal, people are crying foul to ccp, a company which is making a game for a platform. CCP has zero control over the rift, and if they made a deal with oculus that deal is then transferred to facebook. The fact remains, until fan fest, we have zero idea if Valk will fully need the rift. So this "oh my gods the sky is falling, FB bought oculus... oh gods' is horse crap. If ccp goes 'well you don't need a rift...' people will buy and play valk, and thouse that don't give a crap if FB owns the rift (like me) will buy the rift.
and thouse that only want the vr part, but don't want a rift will get a ps4 and a morpheous.
As I already said, I did not bring dust into this, you did. The issue is the numbers that 'dust is a failure' do not really hold water.
First, please run a spell checker over what you're typing.
Second, you are completely missing the point and arguing with yourself. Good luck with that one buddy |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
282
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:26:00 -
[52] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote:DaReaper wrote:Dr Vulix wrote:Well, if CCP doesn't release Valkyrie as playable without the Rift, they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot. Look at how DUST514 turned out with PS3 exclusivity. You can gauge from this thread, and the rest of the Internet, that people are very unhappy about the acquisition of Rift, and many consumers are cancelling their plans to buy one.
We all want to play Valkyrie, but not if it is tied-down with requiring the Rift to play. Please don't kill your game before you even ship it out.
Edit: Also, please don't assume that people are going to run out and buy a PS4 + Morpheus just to play Valkyrie. That's crazy talk; we saw how well that worked for DUST514. Please learn from your mistakes, that's what intelligent companies do. ok.. lets try this again for someone who can not read or even remembers what he wrote. I bolded the important parts for you, so again I repeat: except that from the 2012 fiscal year, and the 2013 fiscal year, per this document Finance for 2013CCP made 10 million MORE in 2013 then in 2012. Thus dust made money. roughly 10m give or take depending on how many new eve players they got. My point is, you whining that ccp 'screwed up' by making dust on ps3 and will be another mistake by making valk on ps4 holds no fact based evidence. If ccp did not to whatever write off they did to the tune of 22m they would of made 10 mill more, and close to 12m in profits.. THAT was the point. You brought dust into this, and the fact remains, ccp made more money in 2013 when dust was released then they did in 2012 when it wasn;t. CCP pulled in 10 million more. Whether it came from DUST is purely conjecture buddy. But what isn't conjecture is that EVE subscription numbers have gone up consistently in the past year, while DUST has fallen. Check eve-offline if you want to go look at the numbers. That 10 million is most likely from EVE, not DUST. DUST was a screw up because there are people who want to play it, but can't because of exclusivity. That's lost revenue. Same situation will play out with Valkyrie + Rift if CCP mandates exclusivity. Stop white knighting blindly, it's just stupid.
I'm not white knighting anything, i'm using logic, and looking at the information before me. Untill yesterday, people were worried about if they needed the rift, but once oculus got bought by facebook, people instantly said 'valk is dead whaaa' when honestly its not dead. Its the same as the SC hype for a game not released yet. Take a damn chill pill, and see what info comes out. FB could royaly screw up the rift, or it could be awesome. We really do not know. And CCP could pull something awesome out of there behind at fan fest that makes all this moot. The sky is not falling. |
SpaceSaft
Sub Par. Beacon Light Alliance
64
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:02:00 -
[53] - Quote
They crossed Rubicon remember?
There is no going back, they're not changing course, this is what they do now.
This is just sad CCP. So very sad. I don't even know anymore what to think about CCP... |
Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
116
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:19:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
I try to be chilled but i cant, after i got bad day i log in to NET and this news about FB and Occulus totaly broke me.
" This will be good overall for the future of vr hardware and software" sound to me like, its ok, this will be good overall for us in year 2033 or soon tm....
I just hate to wait, i dont like words future and soon tm, i got bad expirence espetialy meny CCP projects that were promised "soon tm" were abandoned or forgoten.
Ofc i understand that CCP got zero impact on Oculus Rift relase and progres, but FB just can kill this project, just because they are owners and they can do with occulus rift what they want, i hope they dont ruin EvE VR experiment... If it bleed we can kill it. |
Alundil
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
438
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:24:00 -
[55] - Quote
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/133241-Facebook-May-Rebrand-Oculus-Rift-Import-Interface Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
Theresa Khayleth
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:33:00 -
[56] - Quote
Wow, what a disappointment!
I was really, really looking forward to Valkyrie, but there is no way in hell I will buy a Facebook Rift. Facebook's business model is to deceitfully extract as much data from their users as possible and then sell that data to their real customers. In the past, they have demonstrated time and time again that their word means noting and that they cannot be trusted.
So I would like to strongly encourage you to reconsider requiring a Rift. There is a huge number of people for which the Facebook buyout of Oculus Rift is an absolute deal breaker.
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Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
116
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:38:00 -
[57] - Quote
Gorr Kedesh wrote:If valkyrie has any conections to FB or other similar restrictions i will never play it!
Zuckerberg and his legacies may rot in hell.
This! also not only because of valkyrie, if 99% incoming occulus rift games force me to see #$#@# "like" button or other 3rd party flashing #%$! icons, pepsi, snikers, and hello kity advertisement before or during gaming i will never play it or not even spent one cent.
Yarrrrr If it bleed we can kill it. |
Eris Davion
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:35:00 -
[58] - Quote
Alundil wrote:It's hard to think of a worse adver.....I mean tech company to have bought Oculus.
Regardless of what happens with Valkyrie, and I hope it's a huge success, Oculus attaching themselves to Facebook was a purely $$-driven proposition and will be bad for that company as Facebook is a dying social network. And unlike other tech companies that is their one claim to fame outside of M&A.
"$$-driven proposition."
Welcome to capitalism. You can either take the bad with the good of it, or you can try to sell the world on an alternative economic approach (and be labeled a dirty commie in the process, even if what you're selling isn't really communism.) |
Goa Chai
5
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:20:00 -
[59] - Quote
If CCP did decide to drop support for the Facebook Rift they wouldn't be alone.
Minecraft dev halts talks with Oculus following Facebook acquisition
"We were in talks about maybe bringing a version of Minecraft to Oculus," Persson tweeted. "I just cancelled that deal. Facebook creeps me out."
Yes, it creeps me out too, which is why I hope CCP makes the decision I can support. |
Hesperius
Parsec Flux Glorious PC Gaming Master Race
3
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:07:00 -
[60] - Quote
I'm with Markus Persson in that facebook creeps me out. Palmer Luckey seems so scummy for getting crowd source money to make a fun VR project only to sell out and bury data mining in the project.
Valkyrie currently appears to be the flagship game for VR. I personally hope the Eve community wants to sway CCP away from sticking with the Oculus. I would love to see a connection made between CCP and Valve, since Valve's VR is reported to be far superior anyway.
On a side note, kinda sad to see Palmer Luckey put John Carmack into a position that could potentially ruin his good name for all time. |
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Pirmasis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
64
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:08:00 -
[61] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote: ... DUST was a screw up because there are people who want to play it, but can't because of exclusivity. That's lost revenue.
...
DUST legally is not exclusive to PS3. There is no contract signed, so CCP every minute, can go other platform |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
505
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:04:00 -
[62] - Quote
DaReaper wrote:Dr Vulix wrote:Well, if CCP doesn't release Valkyrie as playable without the Rift, they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot. Look at how DUST514 turned out with PS3 exclusivity. You can gauge from this thread, and the rest of the Internet, that people are very unhappy about the acquisition of Rift, and many consumers are cancelling their plans to buy one.
We all want to play Valkyrie, but not if it is tied-down with requiring the Rift to play. Please don't kill your game before you even ship it out.
Edit: Also, please don't assume that people are going to run out and buy a PS4 + Morpheus just to play Valkyrie. That's crazy talk; we saw how well that worked for DUST514. Please learn from your mistakes, that's what intelligent companies do. ok.. lets try this again for someone who can not read or even remembers what he wrote. I bolded the important parts for you, so again I repeat: except that from the 2012 fiscal year, and the 2013 fiscal year, per this document Finance for 2013CCP made 10 million MORE in 2013 then in 2012. Thus dust made money. roughly 10m give or take depending on how many new eve players they got. My point is, you whining that ccp 'screwed up' by making dust on ps3 and will be another mistake by making valk on ps4 holds no fact based evidence. If ccp did not do whatever write off they did to the tune of 22m they would of made 10 mill more, and close to 12m in profits.. THAT was the point. You brought dust into this, and the fact remains, ccp made more money in 2013 when dust was released then they did in 2012 when it wasn;t. you might be right, or you might be wrong.
the only fuckin thing this document shows is that CCP's GameS made 10 more millions in 2013 compared to 2012
as far as we know, it could be 1million from dust514 and 9 from EvE, or the opposite, thing is there is no details in the report.
does dust made CCP money? most probably yes does dust made said 10m? no, question is, what % of those 10m is dust does dust paid for itself? i really doubt that even if it actually did the 10m, wich it didn't, it would be enought
now there are several things:
1- during 2013, EvE player numbers rised 2- Dust player number remained +- less the same (in fact a slight rise) 3- dust players are not long time gamer, they don't stick to a game the same way Eve player do, so Dust player will most likely go down next year, the fact that dust is not yet ps4 will participate (is it planned to be brought on ps4?)
4- by making dust ps3 only, CCP de facto cut himself from many potential player who would have enjoyed it and were already well aware of the game since they are already CCP customers 5- bringing dust on PC would have made possible a better integration between the two worlds, EVE player would have played dust too, they actually don't because of PS3, thus are very hostile to further integration because they cannot control 'THEIR' world, and CCP knows it (and NO, they won't buy any console just for one game, when they already have a comp most powerfull than said console) |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
471
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:05:00 -
[63] - Quote
seth: 1. More alt accounts maybe. New players don't come to EVE.
3. Not actually true. Many of DUST's playerbase come from games like MAG, which they played consistently for years.
4. Incorrect. They cut themselves off from a small playerbase who hate microtransactions who would not have given them any money.
5. The reality is, if either game requires that you go also play the other, the design is flawed. EVE players will need to accept that DUST players can affect their world. |
Dominous Nolen
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
26
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:02:00 -
[64] - Quote
CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey
If anything now they have more money to work with and be able to put more quality into the hardware... Am I joyful at the acquisition by Facebook of all companies? No, but after consideration after the announcement I'm willing to play the wait and see game as to where this will lead.
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Dominous Nolen
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
27
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:11:00 -
[65] - Quote
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:Dr Vulix wrote: ... DUST was a screw up because there are people who want to play it, but can't because of exclusivity. That's lost revenue.
...
DUST legally is not exclusive to PS3. There is no contract signed, so CCP every minute, can go other platform
I'd play it if it was a PC title. I have tried it on PS3, i just don't enjoy shooters on consoles This is EVE, Not Hello Kitty: Island Adventure |
Dominous Nolen
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
27
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:13:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Guys calm down I see a great future for this, It will be the perfect new interface for PI. Put on your Facebook VR headset, Login via the helpful 'Login with Facebook' option, Don a pair of heavy working gloves, Get your shovel out. Start loading those convertors! They could call it ' Eve PlanetFarmVille'
http://images.socialnewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/SxrAa7Y.jpg This is EVE, Not Hello Kitty: Island Adventure |
Kami3k
The Lucky Bible Company
18
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:14:00 -
[67] - Quote
Crasniya wrote:seth: 1. More alt accounts maybe. New players don't come to EVE.
3. Not actually true. Many of DUST's playerbase come from games like MAG, which they played consistently for years.
4. Incorrect. They cut themselves off from a small playerbase who hate microtransactions who would not have given them any money.
5. The reality is, if either game requires that you go also play the other, the design is flawed. EVE players will need to accept that DUST players can affect their world.
1. Lol.....
3. And then leave.
4. The hate was less about the "microtransactions" and the fact they were massive transactions that were the price of an carrier when converted into PLEX. That and CCP had left the actual game in the dustbin for a while. Which they solved after the uproar.
5. And yet Dust players will leave the game, it's the console gamer mindset.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
505
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:16:00 -
[68] - Quote
Crasniya wrote:seth: 1. More alt accounts maybe. New players don't come to EVE.
3. Not actually true. Many of DUST's playerbase come from games like MAG, which they played consistently for years.
4. Incorrect. They cut themselves off from a small playerbase who hate microtransactions who would not have given them any money.
5. The reality is, if either game requires that you go also play the other, the design is flawed. EVE players will need to accept that DUST players can affect their world. 1- probable, even if there are some new players too, but doesn't matter, from a financial pov it is the same it is a new account
eve players will never accept that dusties can have too much of an impact on their world unless they can have some control over it, I.E. play dust.
the day you do that, say per allowing dust to turn sov (i know, extreme example but why not after all?), eve is doomed.
what we have now is the farther CCP can go with integrating dust, they can't have further impact
also, console gamer don't stick to games, i work for the video game industry, they just don't especially for fps where there is a big turnover |
SpaceSaft
Sub Par. Beacon Light Alliance
67
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:13:00 -
[69] - Quote
Crasniya wrote:seth: 1. More alt accounts maybe. New players don't come to EVE.
3. Not actually true. Many of DUST's playerbase come from games like MAG, which they played consistently for years.
4. Incorrect. They cut themselves off from a small playerbase who hate microtransactions who would not have given them any money.
5. The reality is, if either game requires that you go also play the other, the design is flawed. EVE players will need to accept that DUST players can affect their world.
What if I told you I want Dust on PC because I want Dust on PC and not because I can't accept that Dust affects EVE? It's pretty much the only appeal afaik. Otherwise you can just play COD or BF or TF2, which all have better gameplay for your respective taste. Why do you think that no new players come to EVE? WTF is MAG? CCP cut themselves from the PC market which is significantly larger than the PS3s with everything that entails. I don't even know anymore what to think about CCP... |
eddie valvetino
Snuff Box
171
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:32:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:They've already said quite a lot about how they will operate, and they will continue their current focus and control of their vision.. So the only change in the immediate future will be even better VR hardware for us all. Everyone has concerns about this acquisition, but I trust the Oculus guys to have made a smart decision here. Palmer is on Reddit right now answering a lot of concerns, if you are interested in reading it: http://www.reddit.com/user/palmerluckey
it amazes me how foolish some people are...
Like most humans, I'm not that concerned, so face book owns something.. big deal, perhaps Facebook see these guys making money and want a slice of the action... or maybe the tin foil hat lots are really correct and facebook will use VR to invade their minds
to the OP
how many times are you going to make or reply to post like this? I mean... really did facebook kidnap your kids or something? |
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
283
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:14:00 -
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A lot of the boo hoo is because Facebook sells and collects user data. Its like people think that if they give over there personal information and pictures to a company that shares this stuff with your friends that you somehow get to keep it private.
Its like people who are liberal/conservative/religious and post a meme they think is funny or 'so true' but gets butt hurt when there friends who are the opposite call them out on there stupidity.
Or when people air dirty laundry that others won't call them out and it gets back to them.
For some stupid reason, people believe that if you are posting things on a publicly accessible/owned company that you still have privacy... you don't. just like if you walk down the street, you should expect that you are being watched, because you are, not by big brother but by EVERYONE on the street. You have no privacy in public.
I understand why people are butt hurt, but at the same time, I think people are stupid.
And they think that facebook will turn this into a way to get more data... when they don't need to, they could easily make a killing with the Rift by setting up a FB store that you have to buy your games from, ala iTunes, and google play.
With that said, this sale could go many ways. FB could screw it up, and then they will be out $2b. FB could do it right and make a killing. The point is, flipping out is not productiove to anyone. Valk is not owned by FB, only the rift is. FB could easily screw up the rift, and ccp could make valk own without it. OR FB could easily make the rift a huge smash, and CCP could screw up Valk. We just don't know yet, and won't for a bit longer. As I said before, we all just need to take a small chill pill |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
476
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:41:00 -
[72] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote:the day you do that, say per allowing dust to turn sov (i know, extreme example but why not after all?), eve is doomed.
what we have now is the farther CCP can go with integrating dust, they can't have further impact
DUST absolutely HAS to have further impact. And that includes sov. (Though not as an exclusive thing. DUST should affect the process of changing sov, in a positive way, but it should be possible to accomplish the same goals without DUST as well, in a less fortuitous manner.) |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
283
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:40:00 -
[73] - Quote
Crasniya wrote:seth Hendar wrote:the day you do that, say per allowing dust to turn sov (i know, extreme example but why not after all?), eve is doomed.
what we have now is the farther CCP can go with integrating dust, they can't have further impact DUST absolutely HAS to have further impact. And that includes sov. (Though not as an exclusive thing. DUST should affect the process of changing sov, in a positive way, but it should be possible to accomplish the same goals without DUST as well, in a less fortuitous manner.)
off topic, but There was a presentation at fan fest, I think during the dust keynote, where they mentioned they want dust mercs to do things like take over stations, and pos' and the like. and if they win it reduces the RF timer by like 50% or could even make the station flip without eve players even firing a shot. I think this would be a great use of dust mercs in sov battles. You can chose not to use them, but if they do they will greatly give you an advantage |
Little Brat
Provincia Septim
28
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:14:00 -
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I do not trust Facebook...or companies owned by them. I will not play Valkyrie using a VR headset owned by Facebook. Sony has also just released a headset ya know. Our corporate symbol is a blue Egyptian Ankh representing pure eternal life, surrounded by 8 gold stars representing The Eightfold Path on a red background representing sacrifice and committment to the everliving, beloved of Ptah, Queen of Caldari Space... |
Mara Denais
Mara Denais Tax Evasion
52
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:08:00 -
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It's Facebook.
I don't do Facebook. I block facebook. I will not financially support facebook. Goodbye Valkyrie.
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Just Lilly
158
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Posted - 2014.03.31 00:59:00 -
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Im not all that thrilled by this recent turn of event tbh
Instead of getting a rift on it's release, I'm just gonna let it slide for a couple months and evaluate the experience from the gaming community.
I just hope they won't ruin the project by throwing in targeted ads etc.
Time will tell ^^ Powered by Nvidia GTX 690 |
Dex Sudaka
Perkone Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.03.31 11:12:00 -
[77] - Quote
Wait...if CCP are a partner with Oculus, it means that they have a share on those billions that the company was bought for? ...I'd say that was a good financial move from CCP then. I'm going to book my place at this year's fanfest. Too many questions that these forums can't answer. |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
124
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Posted - 2014.03.31 16:56:00 -
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Wow. So it's pretty obvious the people in this thread that actually understand something about how to run a *successful* business versus fanboys raging for/against a particular company. It's good to see emotion hasn't played a role in anyone's opinions...
If there is a single person in this thread that will say with a straight face that they would turn down $2 bil to make their dream come true, as the case with bringing the Rift to the masses, you are lying. Can Palmer Luckey control the process and realize his vision? Maybe, who really knows. But to not even try? I for one am not going to fault the guy. Nor am I turning my back on what amounts to an amazing piece of hardware just because it may end up with a FB logo on it. But I do agree that FB is a typical publicly owned company and only cares about money, of that there is no doubt because that is what the shareholders demand.
As for CCP losing money because Dust is PS3 only? Well, at worst you could say they perhaps made less than they could have, depending on the cross-platform development costs. However, would supporting/developing multiple platforms have caused unseen issues and watered down the development team to fix gameplay/content? Most likely. But their actual financials say they didn't lose money on Dust.
CCP and Oculus VR are running businesses, and business are based off solid financials, not emotion, therefore they cannot cater to every crying fanboy. Rage on folks, rage on.
Now, what everyone should be hoping for here, is that in the end we the consumers get a standardized set of development tools and multiple manufacturers bringing quality VR technology to the market. If FB sees money in this, the other big players will as well. Competition is good...
https://twitter.com/minliangtan/status/448606945272803328 Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you... |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
288
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Posted - 2014.03.31 19:35:00 -
[79] - Quote
Nash MacAllister wrote:Wow. So it's pretty obvious the people in this thread that actually understand something about how to run a *successful* business versus fanboys raging for/against a particular company. It's good to see emotion hasn't played a role in anyone's opinions... If there is a single person in this thread that will say with a straight face that they would turn down $2 bil to make their dream come true, as the case with bringing the Rift to the masses, you are lying. Can Palmer Luckey control the process and realize his vision? Maybe, who really knows. But to not even try? I for one am not going to fault the guy. Nor am I turning my back on what amounts to an amazing piece of hardware just because it may end up with a FB logo on it. But I do agree that FB is a typical publicly owned company and only cares about money, of that there is no doubt because that is what the shareholders demand. As for CCP losing money because Dust is PS3 only? Well, at worst you could say they perhaps made less than they could have, depending on the cross-platform development costs. However, would supporting/developing multiple platforms have caused unseen issues and watered down the development team to fix gameplay/content? Most likely. But their actual financials say they didn't lose money on Dust. CCP and Oculus VR are running businesses, and business are based off solid financials, not emotion, therefore they cannot cater to every crying fanboy. Rage on folks, rage on. Now, what everyone should be hoping for here, is that in the end we the consumers get a standardized set of development tools and multiple manufacturers bringing quality VR technology to the market. If FB sees money in this, the other big players will as well. Competition is good... https://twitter.com/minliangtan/status/448606945272803328
Just going to add, oculus could very easily run independently under the FB banner. Disney for example owns several other companies that still operate independently of Disney, and in the case of marvel, Disney is FORBIDDEN from making any changes to anything created by stan lee, it was part of the contract when they bought marvel.
With that said, FB track record has mmm sucked when it comes to buying other companies. So this could be a huge crash and burn. We just really won't know for a few more months whats taking place. So it could easily go either way. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
507
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:54:00 -
[80] - Quote
Nash MacAllister wrote:Wow. So it's pretty obvious the people in this thread that actually understand something about how to run a *successful* business versus fanboys raging for/against a particular company. It's good to see emotion hasn't played a role in anyone's opinions... If there is a single person in this thread that will say with a straight face that they would turn down $2 bil to make their dream come true, as the case with bringing the Rift to the masses, you are lying. Can Palmer Luckey control the process and realize his vision? Maybe, who really knows. But to not even try? I for one am not going to fault the guy. Nor am I turning my back on what amounts to an amazing piece of hardware just because it may end up with a FB logo on it. But I do agree that FB is a typical publicly owned company and only cares about money, of that there is no doubt because that is what the shareholders demand. As for CCP losing money because Dust is PS3 only? Well, at worst you could say they perhaps made less than they could have, depending on the cross-platform development costs. However, would supporting/developing multiple platforms have caused unseen issues and watered down the development team to fix gameplay/content? Most likely. But their actual financials say they didn't lose money on Dust. CCP and Oculus VR are running businesses, and business are based off solid financials, not emotion, therefore they cannot cater to every crying fanboy. Rage on folks, rage on. Now, what everyone should be hoping for here, is that in the end we the consumers get a standardized set of development tools and multiple manufacturers bringing quality VR technology to the market. If FB sees money in this, the other big players will as well. Competition is good... https://twitter.com/minliangtan/status/448606945272803328 facts:
-many ppl doesn't like facebook because of various reasons, mainly what they do vs privacy. -facebook buying oculus VR did NOT received a warm welcome, Oculus VR crowd as gone very vocal, and FB lost 7% in one day on market, meaning ppl running business thought it is a very bad move -Facebook has a really BAD history regarding company they previously bought
now, from a business POV, CCP supporting this move, while it's main base player is against, doesn't mean valkyrie will be a failure.
but it does mean that the current CCP customer won't be buying valkyrie, cuting them from substancial number of players.
Valkyrie could find it's own public, but clearly, it will not include eve players, hile before, eve player were part of said public.
now, the Oculus gear will be quite expansive, and the players able to afford AND interested in it will be tech / geeks etc.... that very same public who's NOT fan of Facebook.
Space game adresses the same kind of "niche" market, so conclusions are pretty easy to draw: ths whole thing is NOT GOOD for valkyrie.
having knowledge in business is good, having knowledge in videogame business, in this specific case, is better, and videogame industry felt a really cold shower when FB annouced this buyout, with a lot of ppl questionning their involvment around Oculus.
FB might or might not impact Oculus, but in fact, it doesn't matter, the simple possibility of them doing it is enought for some to postpone or even trash project. |
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Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
125
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:44:00 -
[81] - Quote
One point that has been easily ignored and/or forgotten. Because FB has such substantial financial leverage, they may very well be willing to subsidize the project to bring better quality at a lower price as has been common in the console wars. Microsoft and Sony are no strangers on taking losses to facilitate market growth. And yes, this could mean both good and bad (for the consumer) in terms of where they would plan to recoup those losses long-term.
As for no Eve players buying this? I call BS. Just because some small percentage screams and cries doesn't mean the overwhelming majority who are relatively quiet won't still give it (Valkyrie/Rift) a fair chance. Don't get me wrong, I hate how FB treats their "customers", but nobody is forced to use them. Could they completely f this all up? Absolutely. But then again, they may not. I personally hope they have learned from the backlash and give us gamers what we want. If FB can make that happen, I couldn't care less if they end up making VR Farmville purely for profit, as long as I get my own gaming goodness. Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you... |
Raven Musarlo
lonely winds The Volition Cult
0
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Posted - 2014.04.02 06:50:00 -
[82] - Quote
I'm a new player. I started playing Eve in late 2013 after many years playing TF2. I found out about Valkyrie after I started Eve and I was very excited for it! I have tried Rift dev kit in TF2 and some dev games/programs and I was really looking forward to this release. Not so much now though.. In saying that I will wait for the release and reviews and make my decision. If it looks like FB will mess this up I will wait for Valve VR or something else to play Valkyrie.
The full consumer release of virtual reality will be a notable point in the history of human technology in gaming at the least its a shame FB has tarnished it. |
Varus Ribbentrop
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.04.02 07:44:00 -
[83] - Quote
I just came here to say this, for my first post :
you won't have any chance to see a very good product without having to bend on knees in front of big companies like Facebook. It IS a big company, with all it means. It's sad but true to said that you have (now in 2014, it wasn't true before) to choose between good game with low budget or very good budget and things you don't decide. I would be for the first one of course. But as you know, USA are not protecting wildlife, have corruption, inequalities etc. and Syria is a place where children dies etc. blah blah blah.
Its the course of the world. If you wan't to change this little butterfly effect of this CCP game that will implement stuff like Facebook, make a revolution. Because CCP just don't decide anything, they just have someone who's saying : who's got the money ? you or me ? so listen to me. And this is certainly someone from OculusRift who got his order from Facebook who get his money from US Federal Bank loans etc. Because don't tell me all these informations are ONLY to sell you crap. If you guys knew how the hierarchy system works in the companies... everybody is yelling at politicians but... the contracts in economy and especially in companies like Facebook are just pure dictatorial things. |
Freako X
Doom Inc
131
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:58:00 -
[84] - Quote
I'm not a huge fan of FB. I have an account and I rarely log into it ... the only reason why people even know I exist on FB is because my wife is constantly tagging me in photos and events.
Not being a fan of FB will in zero way keep me from playing Valkyrie. The idea of VR in a space battle flying around stations, wrecks, and asteroids is too good to pass up. I am soooo going to buy the RIFT, update my pc, etc even if I have to go through FB adverts.
It's just the reality of the beast. |
Dex Sudaka
Perkone Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.04.03 13:30:00 -
[85] - Quote
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/following-facebook-s-2bn-oculus-acquisition-star-citizen-creator-says-he-won-t-sell-to-a-bigger-company/1100-6418683/ Roberts keeps backing the Rift. |
Juan Thang
Old American Syndicate Silent Infinity
27
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Posted - 2014.04.03 15:24:00 -
[86] - Quote
I dont want to be tracked and given adverts on a console that I have already bought... no thank you. Shame about Valkyrie, still an amazing idea and amazingly implemented. If it deploys on another device such as the Sony VR gear then ill get it. I just dont want to wear a piece of kit that has Facebook written all over it, it will have unannounced updates just like Facebook, steal your data and maybe even your brain. Facebook has got too intrusive in peoples lives already ruined enough peoples lives, wish they wouldn't ruin products that are not even related to the website. |
Feeboo
The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing
8
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Posted - 2014.04.03 23:40:00 -
[87] - Quote
Don't you see Valkyrie is pointing you to see a new type of thing we can buy to play games. VR is coming. Will Valkyrie be a game that you play arcade style with dog style battles. I wish I had been to some recent game events, I've been to the GDC but not in the past year. So these VR systems are starting to appear on the market. That's a cool thing to sell, but it needs games people wanna play to make it sell.
I believe this type of game can be made for eve onliners who want to dump large amounts of isk into dogfights. If you make these free to play systems just right, people will want to play. Eve online did a good job with plexes, lets see how Valkyrie is going to tie into the economy. They might even be able to tie the physics engine into the eve online game so it runs together.
Lets see what direction this Icelandic company will go. I'm hoping to see some good quality games. Right nowt all my friends want to play GTA 5. That's a hard game to beat. Not that CCP teamed up with Sony couldn't deliver such a title.
Yep, I've got a bright head full of ideas. I've got those ideas on a Ring, its a halo. The halo has my own conscious key, and It's the key to my futuristic car. I'm gonna go cruising in Jita. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
288
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:08:00 -
[88] - Quote
why would he sell to a large company? people are easily forking over more and more money, all he needs to do is milk the stretch goals a bit more and he will be rich, even if he makes a crappy game. It could be amazing, but him selling out is slim to none.
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Jen Takhesis
The Scope Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.04.04 18:35:00 -
[89] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote: So you'd like 10 minutes of adverts and a Facebook login to use Rift, eh? That's nice to know.
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Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.06 16:34:00 -
[90] - Quote
Getting into action comes even worse experience than YouTube without an adblocker; Farmville and Candy Crush adverts before undocking is possible. |
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Muestereate
Minions LLC
283
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Posted - 2014.04.09 02:15:00 -
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facebook ads have become very well targeted. Free services need ads, if I have to see them I'd prefer geek computer parts and busty women. I wish I could get rid of the John Travolta head on a muscle bound body though.
Face it. Facebook is right up their with Google now. Apparently Oculus didn't fit in with their eyeglass schemes Google would have been nice but google not as much about entertainment as facebook is.
My real issue is that all these 3d technologies, year after year, decade after decade die to eye fatigue. Even though we have some great 3d movies today, I always opt for the 2d. There is the omnivision technology but its rare that a movie is worth 20 bucks for a seat.
This is going to make Valkyrie a very short flash in the pan. I hope they have the income streams calculated likewise and the release timing coincides with some great oculus release fanfare. I give oculus a few years, after the first year the thrill will be gone and all that will be left is for the late adopters to see why for themselves why the party is over.
Even worse, I feel bad for my eyeballs and will only be able to play for short periods. I sure hope Valkyrie doesn't take days of work to setup an engagement. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
307
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Posted - 2014.04.09 03:33:00 -
[92] - Quote
IMO there will real only be three places you will see ads:
1) on the VR portal/FB store (much like apple, google, and MS have)
2) in free games (but thouse ads are placed there by the game maker, not the device company)
and 3) i would really not ind this one, if you get the virtual movie theader ap they coudl had ad video's/trailers run before the movie. |
T'aura
Muon Research Limited
1
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:46:00 -
[93] - Quote
I for one wish Valkyrie would include compatibility with something like track IR like Elite dangerous is doing Frontier don't appear to be limiting themselves to one piece of VR hardware like CCP appear to be doing. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
908
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:08:00 -
[94] - Quote
Dr Vulix wrote:He conveniently skipped over the question about Rift being used to intrusively track users for Facebook's advertising engine Nothing will be quite like doing a barrel roll while straining the controls to around an asteroid ins as tight a manoeuvre as possible only to slam straight into a big, vision filling clickable neon sign advert for Candy Crush! Going to be glorious!
Here is hoping that Sony beats the sell-outs Oculus guys to a moderately priced and functional VR unit .. and that Microsoft gets a case of *****-envy, causing them to throw their weight behind an implementation of their own.
If something gains consumer traction, everyone and their mother will scramble for a piece of the cake, so even if Suckerberg plasters ads all over everything there is more than likely going to be alternatives .. personally don't see how VR can ever be made more than a new way of experiencing entertainment (Faecesbook is anything but, more like a 21st century BBS), not when augmented reality (digital overlay on the highest res screen ever!) is both cheaper, safer and workable without making people wear a giant bucket on their heads, for the foreseeable future at least.
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Abulurd Boniface
The Scope Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:23:00 -
[95] - Quote
People have turned down more money from Facebook than this. There is a precedent.
When this was presented at Fanfest last year I told the devs I would have bought it right there and then if it had been a product.
The way it is now, Facebook will see this as the new paradigm for interfacing with a digital environment that it is. That means that they will insist their ecosystem runs in it, because that's what they bought it for.
Facebook's customer is the advertisers buying advertising space. The users are the useful cattle that looks at the ads.
When you wear Oculus you are a captive audience, you can't look away, you can only close your eyes. And that won't help.
I don't know what CCP will do with this, I hope to hear something at Fanfest. I can tell you this though: I do not Facebook, I do not plan on ever doing Facebook and if Facebook is what it takes to get into Oculus and that is [at least for now] the way you get into Valkyrie, I will not be buying Valkyrie. It's as simple as that. There is no way I'm going to be among Facebook's first series of guinea pigs to see how the paradigm works and how to best serve ads. That is not going to happen.
I believe in Valkyrie. It has the potential to be an amazing experience and I wish CCP to be insanely successful with it from the bottom of my heart. If it comes with Facebook attached, I won't be among the people using it. |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
388
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Posted - 2014.04.19 19:38:00 -
[96] - Quote
CCP should sign up with Sony for Valkyrie since they have announced their own VR headset ............. F%-úK Facebook You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
383
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Posted - 2014.04.20 03:25:00 -
[97] - Quote
ctx2007 wrote:CCP should sign up with Sony for Valkyrie since they have announced their own VR headset ............. F%-úK Facebook
Clearly you have not read the other threads, Valk is going to be in the ps4 playable with Morpheus, this was announced at GDC earlier this year. |
Pastor Blue
Fortuna inc. 5tarbucks
7
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:40:00 -
[98] - Quote
Well, Occulus aside, I like the Project Morpheus thing.
VR is the way ahead, and I would be prepared to spend -ú200 on a unit which will not only play the next EVE thing, but also any other game requiring VR hardware.
It's not that I see Valkyrie requiring a -ú200 spend, I see it as an investment in hardware towards the future of gaming. I've been playing games since the 1970s (so that makes me a game veteran by any standard) and I have seen the way games have changed.
It is a natural progression to step into the submersive world of VR and, like it or not, this is the way the world will be going.
I will support the Sony VR variant because I like Sony a lot, the Playstation is an amazing piece of kit. Let's invest ... the world never moves forward by staying still, after all. |
Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:58:00 -
[99] - Quote
CCP's apparant hard-on for doing "exclusives" is going to be their eventual downfall. Exclusives only work when your product has a big enough fanbase that people will buy the system for the game, and CCP has shown that, so far, all of their EVE spinoffs have been a failure. Not a good combination. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
24934
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Posted - 2014.05.02 15:12:00 -
[100] - Quote
Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:CCP's apparant hard-on for doing "exclusives" is going to be their eventual downfall. Exclusives only work when your product has a big enough fanbase that people will buy the system for the game, and CCP has shown that, so far, all of their EVE spinoffs have been a failure. Not a good combination. True... especially when you go "non-explusive" a year later, slapping all the people that got hardware specifically for your "exclusive game" square in the face... not that I mind though, then again, I didn't buy a PS3 for DUST since I knew it would come to PC eventually. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
480
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:58:00 -
[101] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:CCP's apparant hard-on for doing "exclusives" is going to be their eventual downfall. Exclusives only work when your product has a big enough fanbase that people will buy the system for the game, and CCP has shown that, so far, all of their EVE spinoffs have been a failure. Not a good combination. True... especially when you go "non-explusive" a year later, slapping all the people that got hardware specifically for your "exclusive game" square in the face... not that I mind though, then again, I didn't buy a PS3 for DUST since I knew it would come to PC eventually.
I had a ps3 already. And i was planing on getting a rift anyway, valk just kinda sealed the deal as it were |
Vger Starseed
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 10:54:00 -
[102] - Quote
Just to add my two pence worth. I would not touch face book with a ten foot barge poll. If i wanted somebody to know my private information I will send it to them in a Private mail. With them buying occulus rift I have lost interest in what was in my mind an outstanding product.
It is a shame as I was looking forward to playing Valkyrie. But in retrospect there is still Elite Dangerous coming out soon so i will still get to blow up stuff in the first person flying role.
Sorry CCP but I am out on this product.
Respect 07 |
Shino753
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:32:00 -
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Having actually used the Rift i really was upset about the facebook deal at first. but you know what? it would be good for facebook to actually change the world with something other then a shallow social networking site. So in my opinion if facebook is to the be one to help usher in VR to mainstream so be it. as long as Oculus is indeed being able to operate like their own intenty then thats what matters.
I do hope that they do offer a non VR mode for those who dont have the Rift because considering that so far only 50,000 people have a headset now it would be pretty silly to just develop a "game" for that low number. It will grow in time..but still.
Honestly i think Eve VR is kind of a joke. Star Citizen is doiing near the same thing with Arena Commander which just a prelude to the bigger game that Star Citizen will be. If Eve VR becomes something like that, that would be great. but for me a dogfighting only game seems limiting and not in the spirit of Eves "do what you want" gameplay. I think thats what made Dust 514 also not do as well as Eve itself. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:37:00 -
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WTF is up with this hate for a piece of equipment that's not even out on the market yet? |
Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:39:00 -
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Hi guys..See there is this company called sony..and they are making a VR headset to..and CCP are working with them
*gasp* |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
749
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:08:00 -
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To paraphrase the repondents here:
I don't know anything about EvE Valkyrie or Occulus Rift and the changes that may be made because they got bought, but I am going to make an uninformed decision for no good reason just because I hate one of the companies involved.
I personally am not in that crowd. I plan to actually wait and see what happens and base my decisions on actual facts rather than unsubstantiated cries of doom and gloom (can't see the future) |
Zorrkinae vonHui
Gnostics of the Sense of Life
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Posted - 2014.05.10 17:13:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
you made us get religious and fanatic ammar.... and now u tell us to chill down when our godnes gets raped by the dirtiest slave jerk? ... xD
no really... I like the idea of Valkyrie for PC without any VR... I mean I wasn-¦t impressed by VR anyways but yeah It was clear whats gonna get my money when Valyrie is ready.... but now I definitely never get some of those uncomfortable glasses and better stick to my wall of screens.... wich I anyways prefere, instead of hiding loneley behind glasses =P
.... so yeah please think about doing this for PC generaly... not only for VR!
(uhm and nope! PS4 or Morpheus are no alternatives! ... u know what happend to ur PS3 Dust?... keep away from consolecripples!) "there are million ways to death, but only one way leads to life" |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2014.05.15 22:12:00 -
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As I have previously stated, I do hope that a Rift headset is not mandatory to play...
however people that won't touch a Rift headset or any game that uses it because of it's connection financially with FaceBook is being rather foolish.
Or more accurately the heir to the throne of the kingdom of fools.
The saying cutting off your nose to spite your face (book) comes to mind () as you are literally accomplishing nothing but depriving yourself of something you would find enjoyable... and doing damage to one of the more interesting and innovative companies (and product lines) to come down the pipe in a loooong time (and no, I'm not talking about FaceBook). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.16 10:05:00 -
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Only the worst kind of autistic sperglord would allow the remote commercial relationship between Valkyrie and Facebook to prevent them from playing. What overly dramatic, faux-principled bullshit.
Seriously, get over yourselves. No-one is asking you to create a facebook profile filled with secret personal information about yourself in order to play Valkyrie. If you dont want facebook to have your info, dont give it to them. |
Zorrkinae vonHui
Gnostics of the Sense of Life
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:50:00 -
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yeah all wise words about those FB-Paranoia.... but at the end.... if someone doesn-¦t feel well, or not really free anymore when useing a special companies product, then for me those people shall feel free to speak out their thouths loud! Isn-¦t it the wish from all of us to feel good when playing games?
but I still speak for, no matter what immersion it can be with OR, Valkyrie not "needing" it.... as CCP has posted it themself in Twitter or so, while developing, a lot of them is playing Valk without OR because they simply don-¦t have enough hardware.... so It works.... and if people like me wich don-¦t like plasic on their head, or others wich dont like facebook still could play it without some extra hardware.... this option would still be great, especially as it seems like all three games shall get accesable with one single account, wich just be a annoining advertisement to see "yeah I could play Valk if I meet the devil"(or spent 400Gé¼ for plastic) and I don-¦t really believe that EVE players without an headset would go out and scream how ****** it is just because they dont have glasses on..... A good game is a good game.... and now be honest.... have you neve had fun with any flightsim/dogfightmodule without using VR? Yes, we all had.... and we all have loads of free buttons on our keyboards.... be sure we will find one button to turn our head just like in ARMA or DayZ xD lol I dont see any problems there exept VR sales ^^ "there are million ways to death, but only one way leads to life" |
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Tfear
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:07:00 -
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Personally, I don't think the Facebook thing is a huge deal. It's still open source, so there will be workarounds for anything FB tries to pull, but it doesn't like you'll even be required to have a Facebook profile.
And as it's open source, it's very possible to assemble your own Oculus Rift clone. |
Nijiho
Galactica Industrial Facilities M E T H O D
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Posted - 2014.07.12 23:32:00 -
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Lallante wrote:Only the worst kind of autistic sperglord would allow the remote commercial relationship between Valkyrie and Facebook to prevent them from playing. What overly dramatic, faux-principled bullshit.
Seriously, get over yourselves. No-one is asking you to create a facebook profile filled with secret personal information about yourself in order to play Valkyrie. If you dont want facebook to have your info, dont give it to them.
Please speak for yourself. I will never play if I am obliged to have a Fu*kBook account, which today I do not have. Also I will never fork out money for anything that involved Fu*kBook. You do not seem to be very informed about FB practices and the technologies involved in tracking people. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji The Irukandji.
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Posted - 2014.07.18 05:57:00 -
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I'll just leave this right here.
http://www.cnet.com/news/googles-cardboard-vr-headset-is-no-joke-its-great-for-the-oculus-rift/ |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:20:00 -
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The cardboard is a cool idea and great to see more people getting involved, but that is missing quite a few features I consider essential for good VR :) People will start to understand more when the DK2 starts shipping.
- Senior Programmer on EVE: Valkyrie / @SiggiGG |
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