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Desimus Maximus
Adeptus Mechanicus.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:27:00 -
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Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
835
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:29:00 -
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Not everyone can play for free.
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Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
899
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:30:00 -
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Thanks for the heads up.
GTC buying time.
It's a bit cheaper in Dodi, but still not cheap.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4428
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:31:00 -
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I can't deny it's getting a little harder to carry the number of accts that I usually run. I'm under 10B liquid after my last re-up and that won't last long if prices don't start dropping.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
291
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:31:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Its half speculation, half ship painting, and half that 10% discount they ran.
It might drop to 670 in a week or 3, when the tycoon who bought everything up gradually starts to unload gradually.
I posted about this like a week ago by the way. |
Tajic Kaundur
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
26
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:43:00 -
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Just going to point this out:
At 1 billion per PLEX, you're looking at 33 million a day to play EVE.
I can make around 500K ISK per hour manufacturing a single tech 1 module. I have 10 lines running things with similar or greater rates of return. No, seriously, Isk Per Hour is showing me an average return of 670K per line.
That's 6.7M an hour.
That's 160.8M a day.
That's significantly more than 33M a day. I only need to run 3 lines to make more than 33 million ISK a day.
If you can't take the effort to make a single freighter run- not even far, just two or three jumps- and make enough for 5 billion ISK a month- I'm not entirely sure if you deserve the luxury of playing off your ISK in the first place.
Making 33 million a day is not hard. PLEX aren't even 1 billion ISK yet. At 750M you only need 25M per day. That's nothing. That's a single tick of ratting in null, which requires less setup money than a freighter run.
You can literally buy your PLEX for 20-30 minutes a day.
If that's not casual play, 20-30 minutes a day at most, I have no idea what is. You don't even need to do it daily, spend three hours on the weekend or something, whatever. ISK is not hard to get. |
Samwise Everquest
The Scope
Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:44:00 -
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honestly i think plex should be worth more. 1 bil at least.
i pay my sub so i guess i have nothing to lose or gain from it but if I was in the business of selling plex i would value my 20 bucks to be about 1 bil isk. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
910
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:57:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its half speculation, half ship painting, and half that 10% discount they ran. You win at math! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
5047
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:02:00 -
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Everyshore was sold out last night. At least you get to buy some :)
Let's just say that anyone selling to buy orders is in dire need of a reality check.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Dominic karin
Trojan Legion
Fidelas Constans
34
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:17:00 -
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At 400m i thought well it's reasonable i suppose, at 500m I was a bit annoyed at 600m I thought alright this is a bit much but now at 700m+ it's starting to get ridiculous. Not even gonna get into when it was 200m (those were the days). Bottom line CCP Needs to stop adding functionality and stupid **** to the subscription card that a large portion of the player base pays for the game with. As soon as more ship skins start getting added to the AUR store I could see plex hitting the 1b+ mark easily which is too high considering that these skinned ships are going to be getting blown up a lot. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
292
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:17:00 -
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Tajic Kaundur wrote:Just going to point this out:
At 1 billion per PLEX, you're looking at 33 million a day to play EVE.
I can make around 500K ISK per hour manufacturing a single tech 1 module. I have 10 lines running things with similar or greater rates of return. No, seriously, Isk Per Hour is showing me an average return of 670K per line.
That's 6.7M an hour.
That's 160.8M a day.
That's significantly more than 33M a day. I only need to run 3 lines to make more than 33 million ISK a day.
If you can't take the effort to make a single freighter run- not even far, just two or three jumps- and make 5 billion ISK a month- I'm not entirely sure if you deserve the luxury of playing off your ISK in the first place.
Making 33 million a day is not hard. PLEX aren't even 1 billion ISK yet. At 750M you only need 25M per day. That's nothing. That's a single tick of ratting in null, which requires less setup money than a freighter run.
You can literally buy your PLEX for 20-30 minutes a day.
If that's not casual play, 20-30 minutes a day at most, I have no idea what is. You don't even need to do it daily, spend three hours on the weekend or something, whatever. ISK is not hard to get.
All this smug and not even a monocle. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
1623
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:20:00 -
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Huzzah for player driven inflation, the only meaningful constant in the EVE-ian universe !
Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle.
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2845
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:21:00 -
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Sounds like a good time to sell.
Where's my credit card?
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
276
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:50:00 -
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PLEX prices skyrocket. Bot fleets feel the pressure, start unsubbing. At-keyboard miners profit. Less competition, mineral prices rise.
I am fine with this.
The sound of the Amarrian heart |
GreenSeed
977
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Posted - 2014.03.27 06:23:00 -
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you avatar is making a face like someone who sits at a park bench and has an internal monologue that goes like this:
"did i just sit on some homeless dude trow up?, i did, didn't i?" |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2982
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Posted - 2014.03.27 06:31:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
Cool, run to CCP because other players are ruining your game.
Oh god. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
315
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:04:00 -
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CCP is not responsible for PLEX prices on the market.
CCP is not obligated to provide you with the possibility to play "for free" on a casual schedule. If everyone could do it, no one would buy plex for real money and then PLEX prices would rise wait what.
This is typical. Offer a service that almost no one else offers and that you're not obligated to offer and when that gets altered in some way everyone whines that it's bullshit that their toy that they got for free is not the same anymore.
Louis CK has some choice words for you peoople
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpUNA2nutbk
I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Karen Avioras
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
336
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:39:00 -
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this is great guys, now there is one less to consume the plexes you need! |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1862
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:42:00 -
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Next time you'll hear about record-breaking battle in EVE you better purchase some PLEXes to sell them later to poor sucke... I mean respective new players who have joined the game after massive PR campaign in media. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
2629
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:45:00 -
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Capitalism not going your way?
If you dont like it go live in... oh wait....
*** Vote MTU For CSM ***
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ivanna Logoffski
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:49:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Playing for free is a privilege, not a right. If plex price go higher then you are willing to pay, don't buy them.
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Roggle
Forced Euthanasia
63
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:52:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Without you EVE will die! |
Setsune Rin
Collapsed Out
Shadow Cartel
187
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:57:00 -
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ITT: a ton of entitled poor people, get a job scrubs!
can't get better isk/hr then that.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2798
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:07:00 -
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Oh and just cos noones mentioned it yet. There's this thing called fanfest right... And tickets for that can be bought in plex...
There's also this thing called "supply and demand"... You get the drift.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
99
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:28:00 -
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Why oh why am i between Credit cards right now.
In fact i don't really understand paying isk for plex. I am glad people do it, so i can sell plex when i can't be bothered doing isk earning activities. But its really poor value for time. |
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
590
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:32:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
1. Can you get more people like yourself to do the same? Please?
2. Would you mind offering a 21 day trail and post it all over reddit and tell your friends to do the same before leaving?
3. Can you transfer all your stuff to me and I will take GOOD care of it?
TY |
PenguinJim
Singularity Expeditions
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:46:00 -
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The fact is as said CCP have NO influence on Plex prices.. Its completely player controlled.
If CCP put a Max ISK cost on Plex it would be basically fix -ú to ISK trading and you would likely find less and less plex being available.
Look at it like this, Plex sell @400mil ISK SOME eve players buy them for -ú-ú-ú and sell but the ISK return is not really worth their -ú16.. Plex market still under supplied. General Eve Players buy as many as possible and store them
Plex at 700mil ISK, more players think ohhh better isk value for my -ú16, extra Plex come to market, but Plex market is still under supplied. Rich EvE Players buy as many as possible and store them.
Plex at 1bil ISK, many eve players like the ISK to -ú-ú-ú ratio and more Plex come to market, rich Eve Players sell their stored Plex and all profit. IF supply is meeting demand the costs start to drop.
Now the above does not really factor in the following;
- The MEGA rich ISK players making billions upon billion of ISK a week buying multiple plex and storing them, likely for top members of alliances etc these are getting used some are stored and speculated upon.
- The natural inflation of eve, there is nothing really deflating the eve economy so its in constant inflation, a perpetual cycle of increasing costs, because of more and more ISK in the economy.
So in conclusion Plex will always be on a upward trend for costs with the odd blip and lowing on cyclic intervals but never returning to the original lowest prices at the start of the cycle. The hamster wheel is forever turning you just gotta keep up!
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Xeator
soldiers.fi
20
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:56:00 -
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You do realize that if you dont have time to play in order to make ISK so that you can finally pay for the subscription via ISK, you could maybe just chip in the cash instead of whining like a pleb?
Even most of the worst paid jobs will pay for a whole month, for just an hour of work. If you are well-paid, it takes even less! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
514
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:05:00 -
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Bought a batch earlier today on a buy order at Hek for 672 mill though I think the Hek buy has since snuck up to 680 mill. Thats still 28 mill under Jita sell.
Seriously folks, if you are buying PLEX to sub with instead of as a speculation you have a full month to shop around and place buy orders. Why on earth would you pick them up at market sell at the most expensive hub in EVE.
Personally I am expecting PLEX to eventually settle just under a billion. |
I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:19:00 -
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Can you tell me whats the difference between 600 and 700 mil??
Thats 3 hq sites.. in a nice fleet you can do them at 7-8 minutes per.
IMO, PLEX should and probably will cost a lot more unless ccp nerfs some of the game isk faucets.
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