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![Valerie Valate Valerie Valate](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1866952482/portrait?size=64)
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
526
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:33:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For crews like yours, we have an arrangement with TSF whereby we can swap them for Caldari POWs before they go into Nation's vats for processing. Sleep well. Wow.I don't think I've ever completely lost respect for an entire organisation and every individual associated with it so quickly or nonchalantly before.
I know, it's just like that time a reasonably famous Intaki pilot, decorated for actions in the Federal Defence Union, offered Amarr prisoners of war to the Blood Raider Covenant.
Oh, wait, that was you.
Carry on. |
![Diana Kim Diana Kim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1710501247/portrait?size=64)
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
965
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:33:00 -
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Why... WHY?...
BECAUSE CALDARI SUPERIORITY !!!![Cool](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) |
![Bryen Verrisai Bryen Verrisai](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92650092/portrait?size=64)
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
127
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:30:00 -
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I don't think it's nice that people are coming down so hard on Pyre. I mean, it's obvious they're just incapable of taking back what's rightfully theirs from the Nation (or perhaps just too afraid to try) and are resorting to the only method available to them.
But hey, these are hardcore Caldari fighters who ain't afraid o' nothin', so I'm sure the day will come when a TSF dissident/incompetent removes pretty much every obstacle and threat for these brave warriors, who will swoop in, take out what little resistance there is left, save the prisoners, and let everyone know how awesome they are for it.
Until that day comes, why add insult to injury? |
![Sofia Roseburn Sofia Roseburn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/177130320/portrait?size=64)
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
123
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:34:00 -
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In Tuulinen's sort of defence, he did try and blow the whistle on the entire situation several months ago by letting Jurou Yuan know when an exchange was taking place, although I really don't think that he was expecting him to take employment with TS-F shortly after.
I imagine that was rather unfortunate.
In any case, I prefer ships of Amarrian or Caldari design, although the Republic Navy's decision to bring the Tempest into the modern age is certainly visually impressive, if a little lacking on the configuration side of things. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
![Arkady Vachon Arkady Vachon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90665554/portrait?size=64)
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
868
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:08:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Why... WHY?... BECAUSE CALDARI SUPERIORITY !!!![Cool](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
Nevermind the combat records that show you frequently piloting Amarrian Coercer Class Destroyers as of late, oh no.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
![Desiderya Desiderya](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1120211974/portrait?size=64)
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
709
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:44:00 -
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For obvious reasons PFDC will not share information to the public it considers of importance to operational security by default. This really is none of your business, but since speculations are, as usual, running wild I've been authorized by the board to make the following clarification:
Elements picked up after contact with hostiles are subject to state laws and will be, whenever possible, handed over to the authorities or, protected by the same set of laws and upon deliberate approval, moved as penal labour workforce to a model facility in the Kingdom. Only elements not protected under state laws or waiting for their firing squad would be eligible for an exchange such as the one being condemned here.
PFDC continues to operate with the greater good of the caldari state and its subjects in its mind, which forms the solid basis for all decisions made in the past and future, and elements disagreeing are not going to change the course as public opinion is not and never will be the basis for decisions made.
Be it as it may you are all welcome to indulge yourselves in conjecture and condemn us some more - it will not change the fact that we're not afraid to get our hands dirty to achieve results.
-D.T
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
![Tiberious Thessalonia Tiberious Thessalonia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90103563/portrait?size=64)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2102
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:54:00 -
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You know, we might be open to the idea of making similar trades with other groups as well assuming that it does not conflict with our previous arrangement with Pyre Falcon. Assuming any of you can swallow your smug attempts at moral superiority in order to understand that we CAN be dealt with on an honest basis.
I'll say this for Pyre Falcon. They have probably collected more Caldari assets from us than any of you have put together for your own races. We are an eminently rational group, and we respond well to offers made with that in mind.
And I will say this for us. Whenever we maintain battlefield control after a skirmish or a battle, we take the time to go through your ships and rescue anyone we can. We medically treat them. We feed and clothe them. The fact that we CAN return them to Pyre Falcon afterwards shows that they are not immediately assimilated into Nation. Do you want your people back? Then lets make a deal.
Do you want your people back from Pyre Falcon? Then you need to be talking to them.
Swallow your pride, Capsuleers, and start dealing with politics, because until such time as we make politics an anachronism, they're pretty much a fact of life. |
![Erica Dusette Erica Dusette](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148645930/portrait?size=64)
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5303
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:35:00 -
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My sister Danika and I have always flown vessels built with proven Caldari engineering.
I find a certain simplicity and dependability in shields, along with missiles, which provide versatility as a weapon.
This was almost exclusive until recently. Having since began work for a new employer we've found ourselves in the position where we need to drastically diversify our piloting skills because of doctrine. Thus today you could find us piloting vessels from almost all of the Empires, and those of the various factions inbetween.
In the past we've always held a singular-skill doctrine within our family's operations. Pilots will specialize in a 'brand' of vessel and continue to refine those skills over time rather than branch out into other 'brands'. While this naturally limits the pilot's versatility it does however produce ones who're very highly skilled in their individual ship preferences.
My Tengus have always been my bread and butter, but as I write this post via my comm I'm sitting in a relatively new Proteus. It kinda feels so wrong, but also feels so right, because in all honesty I've found these things to be incredibly tough when either dealing, or receiving, damage. It does take some getting used too though.
-áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
![DeadRow DeadRow](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1106686097/portrait?size=64)
DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
226
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:04:00 -
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I guess people can only find out about things if they are thrust into one's face.
Speaking of thrusting, I like Gallante hulls myself. Something about their shape that just sends a shiver down my spine.
And as a friend of old once said: "Once you have a thorax in yer hanger, you wont ever take it out!"
~Hikari |
![Fredfredbug4 Fredfredbug4](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1888839882/portrait?size=64)
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2339
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:38:00 -
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I am a loyal Gallentean, however I fly the right ship for the job. Need to control my range? Lasers are the best. Need to kill in one hit? Artillery baby! Can't afford to miss? Missiles away!
And when I need to tear your ship apart on the molecular level, Blasters and Drones... my favorite *hugs hobgoblin plushie*
At the end of the day, selecting the right tool for the right job is key. If you let either your patriotism or your bigotry limit your ship choices, then your key wont fit the right lock.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Now you're acting like it was my decision.
History is littered with murderers, theives, and cowards who justified comitting the very worst atrocities with "I was just following orders!" It pains me to suspect that you might be one of them.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3117
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:38:00 -
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I didn't know you could overheat a damage control module!
Please tell us all more about how Honoureable and Patriotic you folks are (while whining about Ishukone working with the Federation). Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Pieter Tuulinen Pieter Tuulinen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92595546/portrait?size=64)
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3411
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:38:00 -
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DeadRow wrote:I guess people can only find out about things if they are thrust into one's face.
Speaking of thrusting, I like Gallante hulls myself. Something about their shape that just sends a shiver down my spine.
And as a friend of old once said: "Once you have a thorax in yer hanger, you wont ever take it out!"
~Hikari
I had a crew chief once who claimed that, but he was talking more about how hard it was to keep that hangar queen properly operational between missions. |
![Pieter Tuulinen Pieter Tuulinen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92595546/portrait?size=64)
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3411
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:39:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I didn't know you could overheat a damage control module!
Please tell us all more about how Honoureable and Patriotic you folks are (while whining about Ishukone working with the Federation).
Before you start another piddling match, you better hope I-RED has never made a deal with TSF or Nation, Katrina. |
![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3117
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:40:00 -
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@OP:
I am Caldari, but I fly everything. Captured pirate hulls, Empire hulls, Navy hulls, mining hulls, even a few special edition hulls. I like variety. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Erica Dusette Erica Dusette](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148645930/portrait?size=64)
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5317
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:48:00 -
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DeadRow wrote:I guess people can only find out about things if they are thrust into one's face. Aye, story of my life. -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3117
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:58:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Before you start another piddling match, you better hope I-RED has never made a deal with TSF or Nation, Katrina.
I'm well aware of what business dealings we've had with TSF. They gave us a free POCO once. It was empty.
Oh, and before my time in I-RED, TSF once discussed purchasing TCMCs from I-RED, but we never sold any to them.
We've never given them blue standings, shared drinks with them*, and handed over enemy POWs to them. We haven't bragging about it either. If anything, we regret any dealings we've ever had. Your decision to blue TSF happened under your Diplomatic Administration (you resigned afterwards, not before), and it was defended by you multiple times, including this time.
You "resigned your commission"? Don't make me laugh. It's a bluff. Nothing's changed, Pieter. You still fly for them, you still sleep with them, you still drink with them and defend them. Apparently, you're proud of the TSF deal, since you decided to bring it up again as a boast and threat on page one.
You tried to tell me how much you hated the idea. You tried to tell me how against the whole concept you were. You tried to tell me this because you wanted to continue visiting my partner and daughter. I was wrong to believe you, I guess, since here you are a couple months later.
You're proud of it. You like it. You're enjoying working with TSF.
Just admit it.
* Worth noting that I did allow Drake into my bar for a few months while I attempted to see if there was any value in capturing and vivisecting his body. Turns out he wasn't hiding any implants of value, so I made sure he wasn't allowed back in anymore. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Karynn Denton Karynn Denton](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90237618/portrait?size=64)
Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
160
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:59:00 -
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I fly Minmatar exclusively; they are perfectly suited for my needs.
Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Boosters! Boosters! Boosters! Delivered to your station - Contact me! |
![Pieter Tuulinen Pieter Tuulinen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92595546/portrait?size=64)
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3412
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:25:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote: You "resigned your commission"? Don't make me laugh. It's a bluff. Nothing's changed, Pieter. You still fly for them, you still sleep with them, you still drink with them and defend them. Apparently, you're proud of the TSF deal, since you decided to bring it up again as a boast and threat on page one.
You tried to tell me how much you hated the idea. You tried to tell me how against the whole concept you were. You tried to tell me this because you wanted to continue visiting my partner and daughter. I was wrong to believe you, I guess, since here you are a couple months later.
You're proud of it. You like it. You're enjoying working with TSF.
Just admit it.
Oh, so you have had dealings with Nation, then? Thanks for publicly admitting the extent of your hypocrisy - since you've admitted receiving favours from them, does it really matter that you did so while holding your nose?
I've flown with them once, perhaps twice. I have helped process some of the recovered prisoners we've received to make sure there were no implanted surprises lurking. Actually they were a pleasure to fly with - focused, professional and above all competent at what they do. I might not enjoy who they are or what they believe, but I DID enjoy flying with them, in the same way anyone would enjoy flying with a competent ally.
I also didn't enjoy defending the deal, but it was my job to do so, and I did it until I resigned those duties. I did counsel against the deal - strenuously - and my advice was ignored. Exactly as I told you. Exactly as occurred.
What any of this has to do with looking forward to the utter de-humanisation of men who beat Caldari POWs for fun, I don't know - except that once again it exposes your mania for attacking other Caldari in your holy quest to make Ishukone look good. At any cost. In any fashion. No bridge you won't burn to the ground in order to win a cheap point. No confidence you won't betray to make you or your organisation look better.
You're damaged goods, Oniseki. How you ever made it through screening without them noticing your enormous psychological flaws is beyond me. |
![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3119
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:34:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:You're damaged goods, Oniseki. How you ever made it through screening without them noticing your enormous psychological flaws is beyond me.
I ask myself the same question every day, but then I am inclined to believe it may have something to do with my initial euthanasia and first clone. Or perhaps something that happened after.
Damaged goods is entirely correct. I'm more than damaged. I'm downright broken, incapacitated, and borderline non-functional. It's no surprise. Not to you, not to the woman who insists on staying married to me, not to the daughter who will have to grow up to me. Not to anybody who's ever known or worked with me.
I still believe I should have disappeared through that stargate with Simca. I should be dead already, or if not dead, just gone.
Perhaps there is still time to join her. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Makoto Priano Makoto Priano](https://images.evetech.net/characters/422609556/portrait?size=64)
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6132
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:34:00 -
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Tuulinen, it's interesting how you compare flying with and swapping prisoners with an organization with receiving a single piece of orbital infrastructure. You're desperate to bring us down your level, it seems.
Interesting thing, that PYRE personnel stopped wearing State uniforms after being confronted about their collusion with a known enemy of humanity. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
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![Anabella Rella Anabella Rella](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1160975800/portrait?size=64)
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1612
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:34:00 -
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Bryen Verrisai wrote: ...Really my only complaint is that, for some reason, the Thorax-hull ships vibrate too much.
This explains why Diana Kim has a blue Thorax replica toy that she loves waving around all the time.
As to the original topic, while I primarily fly Minmatar ships I also occasionally fly Caldari and Gallente designs as well. The right tool for the job, etc. Although I'm trained to pilot Amarrian vessels I've yet to do so and doubt that I will anytime soon as buying one could indirectly support the Empire or its interests. So far that consideration has outweighed the potential deliciously ironic fun of using an imperial designed ship, piloted and crewed by Matari, to destroy imperials.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
![Makoto Priano Makoto Priano](https://images.evetech.net/characters/422609556/portrait?size=64)
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6132
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:35:00 -
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Oniseki-Charantes-haani, may I ask you to step away from this discussion for a while? Let us speak of this in private, please. Priano Trans-Stellar is recruiting! Interested in nullsec combat? Research? Exploration? Contact Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
![Anabella Rella Anabella Rella](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1160975800/portrait?size=64)
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1613
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:58:00 -
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A good family in-fight among you Statists is almost as amusing to watch as when the slavers turn on each other. Please do carry on! My popcorn's almost ready and I have beer chilling.
P.S. I admire Pilot Oniseki's honesty and self awareness. You may disagree with what she says but you can't accuse of hypocrisy. I doubt she's as "broken" as she feels. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
![Evi Polevhia Evi Polevhia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91546210/portrait?size=64)
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
513
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:05:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Tuulinen, it's interesting how you compare flying with and swapping prisoners with an organization with receiving a single piece of orbital infrastructure.
You mean a freighter sized piece of orbital infrastructure and technology who's material worth and potential for profit out strips the value of the men and women who have exchanged hands between the Foundations and the Defense Combine? That orbital infrastructure?
You're right, it's wrong to compare us giving I-RED something of great value for free with us trading with the Defense Combine small units at equal value.
And for the record in the thread I fly a mixture of Caldari and Gallente hulls. Caldari for fun, Gallente for business. With a smattering of Amarrian hulls for pleasure. |
![Samira Kernher Samira Kernher](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92903168/portrait?size=64)
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
518
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:07:00 -
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I am Amarr and fly Amarr.
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:You know, we might be open to the idea of making similar trades with other groups as well assuming that it does not conflict with our previous arrangement with Pyre Falcon. Assuming any of you can swallow your smug attempts at moral superiority in order to understand that we CAN be dealt with on an honest basis.
...
Swallow your pride, Capsuleers, and start dealing with politics, because until such time as we make politics an anachronism, they're pretty much a fact of life.
Negotiating with Nation or Nation supporters would recognize them as a legitimate entities, therefore the only deals that can be had are at the end of a laser cannon. That is politics, the politics that very few capsuleers seem to understand. Diplomacy for the sake of diplomacy, compromise for the sake of compromise, business for the sake of business, peace for the sake of peace, these are not worthy pursuits. The Empire negotiating with the Republic and recognizing them as an independent government was a surrender, Ishukone negotiating with the Federation for half of Caldari Prime was a surrender, I-RED negotiating with or accepting a POCO from TSF for was a surrender, Pyre negotiating with TSF is a surrender. Upholding integrity, even when you must make sacrifices to do so, is a part of politics, and it is a part that too many neglect.
Anyone captured by Nation or Nation supporters is a casualty of war. Nation and its supporters need to be eradicated, not bartered with. They are not a legitimate nation; they are terrorists, and you do not negotiate with terrorists. The only political avenue available is to annihilate every ship, every outpost, and every planet until nothing is left but ash. |
![Karen Galeo Karen Galeo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93967033/portrait?size=64)
Karen Galeo
Sin Factory Infinite Anarchy
25
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:44:00 -
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I have a special place in my heart for rail guns. Other weapon systems certainly have their charms, but rails are the ones that feel right for me.
I also put a lot of stock in a good, thick layer of shields... but sadly, the Caldari Navy run short on variety, so I end up flying a lot of Gallente hulls as well. Author of the Karen 162 blog. Karen Galeo is running for CSM9! |
![Pieter Tuulinen Pieter Tuulinen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92595546/portrait?size=64)
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3416
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:16:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Tuulinen, it's interesting how you compare flying with and swapping prisoners with an organization with receiving a single piece of orbital infrastructure. You're desperate to bring us down your level, it seems.
Interesting thing, that PYRE personnel stopped wearing State uniforms after being confronted about their collusion with a known enemy of humanity.
My choice, Priano-haani, and one that happened before the public spitballing that you're referring to. And yes, I no longer feel qualified to wear the uniform - I don't disagree with your assessment in that respect, I never have. |
![Pieter Tuulinen Pieter Tuulinen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92595546/portrait?size=64)
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3416
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:17:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:A good family in-fight among you Statists is almost as amusing to watch as when the slavers turn on each other. Please do carry on! My popcorn's almost ready and I have beer chilling.
P.S. I admire Pilot Oniseki's honesty and self awareness. You may disagree with what she says but you can't accuse of hypocrisy. I doubt she's as "broken" as she feels.
I know people who felt similarly over the Coelli debacle. I remember sending a message of sympathy and support. |
![Utsukushi Shi Utsukushi Shi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92450085/portrait?size=64)
Utsukushi Shi
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
20
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:17:00 -
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I stopped wearing my uniform when I was no longer enlisted in the militia.
Everything else in this thread is above my pay grade. Pyre Falcon is recruiting - apply today! Backstage Recruitment thread EVEO Forum Recruitment thread |
![Agiri Falken Agiri Falken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93035278/portrait?size=64)
Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:20:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:A good family in-fight among you Statists is almost as amusing to watch as when the slavers turn on each other. Please do carry on! My popcorn's almost ready and I have beer chilling.
P.S. I admire Pilot Oniseki's honesty and self awareness. You may disagree with what she says but you can't accuse of hypocrisy. I doubt she's as "broken" as she feels. I know people who felt similarly over the Coelli debacle. I remember sending a message of sympathy and support. I'll just bear it in mind the next time she's hemorrhaging about the Republics latest self-inflicted **** up. I'll look for you tomorrow, Pieter. |
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