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![Synthetic Cultist Synthetic Cultist](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91250209/portrait?size=64)
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
328
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:42:00 -
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I fly Amarr ships. I like the Coercer, because it has 8 Guns, thus can load 8 different Coloured crystals, for a Rainbow Effect.
I am also Greatly Confused by many Posts in this Thread. |
![Ollie Rundle Ollie Rundle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1965496174/portrait?size=64)
Ollie Rundle
159
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:43:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote:...Wait, seriously? Now, I've got no care at all what happens to, with, or around Pyre... But why the HELL are you people dragging Scherezad-haani into this? Wheres the proof that she's a "Nation Loyalist"?
There is no proof of her being a Nation loyalist, nor has anyone - outside of TS-F in their attempt to cloud the reading of the situation - made a claim of such.
Pieter Tuulinen noted that she is uniquely sympathetic to those who have neurological conditions with similar pathology to her own or to those in a position to help her. This is true. Various members of TS-F fit these two criteria and have, in the past, networked closely with her in regards to this. There is the question of whether she has - willingly or otherwise - provided TS-F with brain-scans and taken treatment from them to this end. Last I checked, she had not but TS-F were still pursuing such efforts.
It has nothing to do with drinks at a party. It is simple risk analysis and management. Where you cannot exclude something definitively, the safest course of action is not to rule it out. This is a process repeated in various situations we encounter on a day to day basis - corporate recruiting and the identification of spies and thieves being an example.
Sympathies are to be expected - TS-F are accomplished diplomats and there are aspects of Nation's ideaology that are not altogether disharmonious with the values, needs and desires of greater humanity.
If Scherezad was a loyalist I would have little hesitation in revealing her as such. She is not. She is, in my view, a sympathist and as such I choose not to trust her views or actions when dealing with issues either directly related to or tangentially connected with Nation.
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Anyone who so much as mentions our name without spitting on the ground in front of them is accused of being a Nation loyalist. It's hilarious to us and it just proves us right.
This is an example of Tiberious' persecution complex peeking through. You will see it referenced on several occasions in the past where he and I enter into a discussion together, should you care to look.
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:]For the record, Scherezad is considered compromised because she once sat at a table with us at a party. An I-Red party.
As I said, not about drinks. At the particular party in question, Scherezad was not seen twirling moustaches and cackling maniacally.
Nor is it about a witch-hunt, BS or otherwise, as much as TS-F are now trying to redirect this thread towards that purpose. -á |
![Tiberious Thessalonia Tiberious Thessalonia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90103563/portrait?size=64)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2120
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:44:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:...Wait, seriously? Now, I've got no care at all what happens to, with, or around Pyre... But why the HELL are you people dragging Scherezad-haani into this? Wheres the proof that she's a "Nation Loyalist"?
Oh sure, any claim can be made as to her sympathies... And just as easily ignored. Proof, or get lost. There's a big difference between a running argument over dubious (whatever) dealings, and trying to pull perhaps the only pure humanitarian in New Eden into this crap flinging.
The Nation supporters are coming across as the rational ones, right about now. If you haven't realized this by now then you are starting to finally see where we're coming from. Anyone who so much as mentions our name without spitting on the ground in front of them is accused of being a Nation loyalist. It's hilarious to us and it just proves us right. Please, PLEASE prove us wrong. Show us that you are more rational than these threads (which are constant, by the way) show us you are. For the record, Scherezad is considered compromised because she once sat at a table with us at a party. An I-Red party. Well, that about figures... As I've said, my sole interest is in the well being of one individual in this affair. Your dealings are your own. Pieter and I spoke about it, at length, and my opinion remains ambivalent towards the arrangement. You and I, Tiberious, have spoken civilly in the past, and while I have no desire to join Nation in any capacity, I don't bear you any particular ill will. If I come across as confrontational, it's due to the simple fact that the closest to family I have is ground zero for this mess, a situation that will never sit well with me under any circumstances. I'd be uninvolved if that were not the case, as my own reasons for disliking the majority of Pyre are personal, established months and months ago, and unrelated to TS-F's activities in any way. I prefer just to avoid them and their antics when circumstances permit. It's easier that way. All that said... Were it not for Schere, I'd likely be a low functioning autistic at best, permanently comatose at worst. Some idiot trying to pull her into this stupidity isn't happening unchallenged. Not because of some stigma, real or imagined, attached to TS-F... But because she doesn't deserve to be pulled into such an idiotic exchange, by anyone, without a DAMN good reason.
You have a very funny way of showing that you are on his side when you have spent several threads doing nothing but attacking his family, rather than supporting him. |
![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3121
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:46:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:For the record, Scherezad is considered compromised because she once sat at a table with us at a party. An I-Red party. I think they are referring to that time she spent in your custody for a while, or something. I wasn't there for that. You do realize that is more damning of your recruitment process than a defense right? "Might have been converted, we'll have them anyway".
You do realize I'm not defending anything, right? I was helping to clarify, making an educated guess (hence the words "I think") as to what they were talking about. I don't believe Scherezad is a 'plant' at all.
Anybody could be a plant. We still need to hire people. Spies, plants, etc. We do our best to filter out the bad apples, but eventually something can get through.
She's gone through the whole background check process, multiple interviews, medical records from both Lai Dai and our own doctors. She's gone through exams, physicals, and cross referencing galore. We've done our best to see if there are any obvious red flags, and found none.
Maybe we missed. It's entirely possible. I don't think we did.
Either way, she's working for us, we're glad to have her on-board, and we aren't worried about it.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Sofia Roseburn Sofia Roseburn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/177130320/portrait?size=64)
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
126
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:55:00 -
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It's certainly interesting to know that you're much looser in your moral objectivity when it comes to recruiting new employees.
Not saying that's anything damning, it's just an interesting change from your usual public stance towards Nation. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3121
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:01:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:It's certainly interesting to know that you're much looser in your moral objectivity when it comes to recruiting new employees.
Not saying that's anything damning, it's just an interesting change from your usual public stance towards Nation.
Maybe you don't understand me, or cannot read what I am typing:
I do not think she is compromised by Nation.
She's also not an employee. She's a subcontractor. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Sofia Roseburn Sofia Roseburn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/177130320/portrait?size=64)
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
126
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:18:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Sofia Roseburn wrote:It's certainly interesting to know that you're much looser in your moral objectivity when it comes to recruiting new employees.
Not saying that's anything damning, it's just an interesting change from your usual public stance towards Nation. Maybe you don't understand me, or cannot read what I am typing: I do not think she is compromised by Nation.She's also not an employee. She's a subcontractor.
That makes it easier to knock her off if you're proven wrong I suppose.
The point I'm making is that you've commented on your potential fallibility but are still trying to make the point that you've done nothing wrong and couldn't have possibly have made a mistake. I'm sure you can see how those are two very different statements to be making in such a short period of time, and how it affects public perception of your corporation. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3121
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:38:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote: ... but are still trying to make the point that you've done nothing wrong and couldn't have possibly have made a mistake
I never said anything of the sort. I said I don't think she is compromised by Nation. That's my subjective opinion, not some hard fact I am trying to impress as objective. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand
I'm not in charge of recruitment, for the record. I wasn't even the one who interviewed her. All I did was give her the Job Preview, which is a sit-down where I discuss what we offer and where we can fit her in. I handled a pilot API check (alongside three others who also did), so there is that too. I didn't see her medical records. I didn't talk to the doctors who conducted them. I didn't even see her Lai Dai file.
That's all HR, which is not my department. The only reason I ran the API check at all was because she's joining my corporation and I help out with RDC recruitment. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Astera Zandraki Astera Zandraki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91706388/portrait?size=64)
Astera Zandraki
Stillwater Corporation
83
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:43:00 -
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Wow, Pieter.. you've really fallen of the wagon, haven't you?
Do I have to remind you that you're ignoring historical precedent? seen those CONCORD videos of State and Federal navy ships flying together against Nation recently?
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![Saya Ishikari Saya Ishikari](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92805883/portrait?size=64)
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
272
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:54:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You have a very funny way of showing that you are on his side when you have spent several threads doing nothing but attacking his family, rather than supporting him.
If you're asking me to support Pieter. Very well. I'd die for him, if needs be. If you're asking me to support PYRE. No.
Everything I've learned, by firsthand observation, and later, what was confided in me, paints a picture that's FAR from family. Contest it however you will, Tiberious, but about the only one who I've known to be family to him is his own wife, who I TRY to avoid being drawn into direct disputes with out of respect for that fact. Try, not always succeed.
What's on your agenda is an arrangement under fire, Tiberious. Fine, defend it, and I'll applaud not only the effort, but the apparent success of said effort against what you correctly termed a witch hunt.
Whats on mine is somebody who not only has had to clean up Pyre's messes over and over, publicly and privately, to the point of resigning such duties, but is now stuck right in the middle of yet another public vomit contest, because of a decision he didn't have a hand in, yet became a part of out of loyalty. Don't ask me to support the apparatus that has done that to it's own just for the sake of trying to prove how uncaring they are, no matter the logic... And yes, I do see the logic, of this single arrangement.
What I don't see is how I can support an organization whose public face, with one exception, has largely been vitriol and sarcasm for the better part of their existence. Pieter is that exception.
From where I stand, I have the abominable choice of sitting quietly while this happens, repeatedly, or taking flak from people who apparently have heard everything that I've ever spoken about, behind closed doors, with a monumentally frustrated friend. Given that choice, I choose to "attack" and draw out whoever else I can to the best of my ability, so he's not the only one taking fire from a collection of idiots who can't make the distinction between Pyre and Pieter. If that means I wind up being looked down upon by the audience, fine. I'd rather be seen as a fool than sit silently while this happens.
Thankfully, you at least are on his side in the broad sense. For that, and for flying his wing, I'm grateful.
Now... I'm not going to delve further into this. It's too personal, and with respect, I don't believe it would matter to you any more than the next man. If I'm wrong, then pull me aside sometime and I'll elaborate to the best of my ability. Since it seems the snipers on both sides have found other targets, I'll be perfectly content to bring my involvement to an end on this note, and wish you well on your way in whatever endeavor is to follow. |
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![Sofia Roseburn Sofia Roseburn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/177130320/portrait?size=64)
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
126
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:56:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote: I never said anything of the sort. I said I don't think she is compromised by Nation. That's my subjective opinion, not some hard fact I am trying to impress as objective. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand
Let's try this a different way since you seem to think this is about you rather than your parent corporation which you are so eager to defend.
It's not a question whether you personally think she is compromised or not, it's a comment on recruitment practices considering the information available. You've made it clear that you had knowledge (as a corporation) that your subcontractor had had prior interaction with capsuleer elements that your corporation has publically condemned, yet recruited her anyway!
Considering there have been other documented interactions between I-RED and TS-F that were mutually beneficial for both parties how can you expect anyone to take your clarifications with any sort of legitimacy? One might argue that your corporation has been...compromised. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
![Agiri Falken Agiri Falken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93035278/portrait?size=64)
Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:06:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Yes, the very brief period she spent in my ship after we, in combination with several others, rescued her from being kidnapped by the Angels.
I believe she was in my custody, in a stasis container manufactured by those same angels, for all of fifteen minutes before I passed her off to other medical authorities.
For the record, it takes more than fifteen minutes to do any form of subtle implantation. It would take longer because of Scherezad's unique brain structure.
Your own boys words, Rosebud. You trying to say that fifteen minutes is actually meaningful in terms of employment decisions? If so, how does it actually affect it? From a security standpoint, it's meaningless, unless you'd like to outright contradict anything here?
As for the exchange of a starbase tower... Was it full of Insidious Nation Nanites? Are all their base belong to you?
C'mon Tiberious, reign in your girl here, will you? This is as much pointless BS as the rest of the thread.
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![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3121
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:13:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote: Considering there have been other documented interactions between I-RED and TS-F that were mutually beneficial for both parties..
Citation please.
Or did you mean the free POCO we didn't ask for and didn't want that TSF randomly gave us without any prior contact in a region we no longer operate in? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Tiberious Thessalonia Tiberious Thessalonia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90103563/portrait?size=64)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2120
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:13:00 -
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Last I checked, Sophia was not in the employ of the foundations. She's not mine to reign in. |
![Agiri Falken Agiri Falken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93035278/portrait?size=64)
Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:16:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Last I checked, Sophia was not in the employ of the foundations. She's not mine to reign in. Huh... Thought she worked for you last I'd checked. Sorry, Tibs. All other points still stand. Late night, good vodka... Something to offset this ****heap that piled up here. |
![Tiberious Thessalonia Tiberious Thessalonia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90103563/portrait?size=64)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2122
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:17:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Sofia Roseburn wrote: Considering there have been other documented interactions between I-RED and TS-F that were mutually beneficial for both parties..
Citation please. Or did you mean the free POCO we didn't ask for and didn't want that you randomly gave us without any prior contact in a region we no longer operate in?
Actually we did have an engagement with JFR against some local pirate nasties.
It was quite civil as I understand.
Look Katrina. Take a step back. The Foundations is neither as bad as you are imagining, nor as virulent. We make deals all the time with non-Sansha groups, because it is the sensible thing to do.
Pyre has done the same. So has I-Red at times.
Take a step back and examine your motives here. Are you attacking Pyre because they have allied with us at times in a very loose manner, or are you simply attempting to tar some people you have decided you don't like? |
![Sofia Roseburn Sofia Roseburn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/177130320/portrait?size=64)
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
126
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:18:00 -
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Oh please. I'm just here to enjoy the never ending cascade of poor spin that Katrina tries to pass off as fact any time someone mentions something that might have implications to her corporation's public image.
You need to start thinking with a slightly broader scope on these sorts of things; it's not about the specific situation being discussed, it's about the ones that aren't. If you're willing to take the risk with something like that, what else are you willing to take the risk with?
If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
![Andreus Ixiris Andreus Ixiris](https://images.evetech.net/characters/645548289/portrait?size=64)
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4469
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:25:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:The Foundations is neither as bad as you are imagining, nor as virulent. Correct. You're unfathomably worse. Mane 614
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![Katrina Oniseki Katrina Oniseki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1615485476/portrait?size=64)
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3122
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:25:00 -
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Well if this is just about trolling, I'm out.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
![Sofia Roseburn Sofia Roseburn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/177130320/portrait?size=64)
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
126
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:31:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Well if this is just about trolling, I'm out.
Probably for the best. Your position was pretty indefensible from the outset. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
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![Erica Dusette Erica Dusette](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148645930/portrait?size=64)
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5504
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:39:00 -
[141] - Quote
You guys can't even talk about the ships you fly without this turning into some **** fest, ah? -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
![Sofia Roseburn Sofia Roseburn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/177130320/portrait?size=64)
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
128
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:43:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:You guys can't even talk about the ships you fly without this turning into some **** fest, ah?
Everyone loves a good scandal. Pietergate has been pretty entertaining so far. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
![Erica Dusette Erica Dusette](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148645930/portrait?size=64)
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5504
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Posted - 2014.03.30 17:47:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:You guys can't even talk about the ships you fly without this turning into some **** fest, ah? Everyone loves a good scandal. Pietergate has been pretty entertaining so far. *sigh*
And people wonder why I live in Anoikis. -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
![Pieter Tuulinen Pieter Tuulinen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92595546/portrait?size=64)
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3425
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:15:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:You guys can't even talk about the ships you fly without this turning into some **** fest, ah?
Did you actually read the Original Post? This thread was nothing but sharkbait from the outset. |
![Temba Ronin Temba Ronin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91160111/portrait?size=64)
Temba Ronin
285
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:17:00 -
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There seems to be a basic flaw in human rationalization in terms of how we define an opponent who otherwise seems so very like us, something I have identified as the GÇ£Noble Enemy Blind SpotGÇ¥. The GÇ£Noble Enemy Blind SpotGÇ¥ disables us from honestly evaluating the motivations behind the actions of some of our opponents because we have erroneously attributed them with valuing morals that have defined civilization for many thousands of years.
Technology is not civilization, therefore nations that use advanced technology are not automatically more civilized nations. No honest person would argue that the Amarr were more civilized then the Minmatar, they simply had better spaceships and weapons technology and were able to conquer them.
We who admire technology, and yes capsuleers with our tight binding to our ships certainly qualify in that group, often mistake those wielding technology the best as the most civilized, sadly for the sake of humanity that is wrong thinking on our part.
If the often spoken grand ideals of nationalistic patriotism that make our opponents seem so like us while simply being on the other side of the coin enable them to participate in absolutely inhumane activity like human slavery and involuntary transfer of humans into the cyborg ranks of the Sansha it is high time we evaluate what it means to be truly civilized.
Our opponents are not noble, they are inhumane terrorists, preying on everyone not strong enough to defeat them, like a voracious bacteria infecting the body of humanity in the New Eden Cluster, we would do well to accurately evaluate them based on their actions and not their slippery words that allow them to dance around the basic values of decency that unite all humans regardless of nationalities.
There will never be peace with the Sansha or the Amarr, they are hellbent on total conquest of New Eden and only a fool would think otherwise. The Caldari are content to cast their ballots with these invading hordes because short term irrational fear of the Gallente negates their long term intelligence. The price they pay for this folly shall be great indeed, instead of being a defender of humanity they have started along that slippery slope that will place either slave collars around their necks or controlling implants in their brains making sure they serve their Amarr or Sansha masters. The worst part of this fate is that it will have been self inflicted by their fearful leadership. The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players! |
![Erica Dusette Erica Dusette](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148645930/portrait?size=64)
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5505
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:21:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:You guys can't even talk about the ships you fly without this turning into some **** fest, ah? Did you actually read the Original Post? This thread was nothing but sharkbait from the outset. Of course not. I made a reply earlier based purely from my powers of telepathy.
But it doesn't have to be sharkbait sir.
But please, don't let my little form stand in the way of you eating one another, ah. -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
![Bryen Verrisai Bryen Verrisai](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92650092/portrait?size=64)
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:31:00 -
[147] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Did you actually read the Original Post? This thread was nothing but sharkbait from the outset. If the OP was shark-bait, your post was a bloody meat buffet. |
![Tiberious Thessalonia Tiberious Thessalonia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90103563/portrait?size=64)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2129
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:32:00 -
[148] - Quote
And I'll say this much for us too.
We've never tried to dehumanize our opponents by casting them as subhuman monstrosities! |
![Andreus Ixiris Andreus Ixiris](https://images.evetech.net/characters/645548289/portrait?size=64)
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4471
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:35:00 -
[149] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:We've never tried to dehumanize our opponents by casting them as subhuman monstrosities! Well, they do say people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Mane 614
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![Bryen Verrisai Bryen Verrisai](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92650092/portrait?size=64)
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
130
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:40:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: We've never tried to dehumanize our opponents by casting them as subhuman monstrosities!
Right, you dehumanize them by taking out their human parts. |
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