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H aVo K Tycheon Industries Northern Associates. 107	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:38:00 - [1201] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: should include a basic description but not limited to that description. That doesn't happen.
Muestereate Minions LLC 269	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:23:00 - [1202] - Quote Asia Leigh wrote: Muestereate wrote: Talia Prime wrote: The 2nd option, but with an investigation if the line is crossed severely. Then a community vote as to whether the participants should be banned. Option 1, wtf? This is Eve, too draconian. Option 3, lovely thought, but potentially damaging to my favourite game. So, no. I'd take this a different way, A public trial on a closed thread. Only the judge and selected forum warriors and involved people can post. We or CCP select a random jury and they vote. 2/3 or unanimous to be guilty. Only pull out the process for big stuff or stuff on the line. Yeah, because this totally wouldn't be abused, Just like the tribunal in League of Legends isn't abused... amirite? never played League of Legends, nasty corp member went over there, If he liked it , I figure I won't. But its nice to know of this precendence, perhaps we could learn off their mistakes. The Idea of a trial, public specifically came from the Greeks. THere was a point in history where one ruler killed a ruler then of course the new rulers struck back. It escalated till it threatened to destroy Greece itself. I forget the details of how it got incorporated but a fellow wrote a play where they tried the people publicly. The whole problem was caused by secret vendettas and scandals. The playright must have struck a chord and Greece started public trial instead of closed door secret ones like CCP does. Greece implemented public trials and stabilized and this principle is the core behind the worlds current decent justice systems. The Iriquois Indians in the United states had a similar problem. They implemented relatively open trials and solved it with the addition of a open democracy for the tribes to work stuff out before it became a problem. That model became the backbone of the United States Constitution which hasn't done too bad, arguably out of date and needing some improvements but the point is Public Trials are one heck of a deterrent for activities or systems that rely on secrecy to continue.
Deep Crust Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:27:00 - [1203] - Quote Why is this not emailed to the whole player community ? Why is it instead put on the forums ? CCP have the database, all one has to do is send this to CCP for distribution right? And if they are unable to, then that's something that should be looked at by CCP. When one looks for feedback on a topic that is directly related to the whole community and not just forum users, then surely the reasonable thing to do is send the message to everyone.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2877	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:50:00 - [1204] - Quote Muestereate wrote: The Iriquois Indians in the United states had a similar problem. They implemented relatively open trials and solved it with the addition of a open democracy for the tribes to work stuff out before it became a problem. That model became the backbone of the United States Constitution which hasn't done too bad, arguably out of date and needing some improvements but the point is Public Trials are one heck of a deterrent for activities or systems that rely on secrecy to continue. They probably should have spent their efforts on inventing the wheel, refining black powder and training Haggle and Streetwise to 5 Bet their faces are red now * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2877	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:52:00 - [1205] - Quote Deep Crust wrote: Why is this not emailed to the whole player community ? Why is it instead put on the forums ? CCP have the database, all one has to do is send this to CCP for distribution right? And if they are unable to, then that's something that should be looked at by CCP. When one looks for feedback on a topic that is directly related to the whole community and not just forum users, then surely the reasonable thing to do is send the message to everyone. They do. Its called the EULA. Every user skims through and ignores it when they update their client. * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 2952	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:56:00 - [1206] - Quote (2)
Deep Crust Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:58:00 - [1207] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Deep Crust wrote: Why is this not emailed to the whole player community ? Why is it instead put on the forums ? CCP have the database, all one has to do is send this to CCP for distribution right? And if they are unable to, then that's something that should be looked at by CCP. When one looks for feedback on a topic that is directly related to the whole community and not just forum users, then surely the reasonable thing to do is send the message to everyone. They do. Its called the EULA. Every user skims through and ignores it when they update their client. Maybe I wasn't clear and I apologize for any ambiguity. I am referring to the options outlined in the original post and not the EULA.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2877	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:05:00 - [1208] - Quote Deep Crust wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Deep Crust wrote: Why is this not emailed to the whole player community ? Why is it instead put on the forums ? CCP have the database, all one has to do is send this to CCP for distribution right? And if they are unable to, then that's something that should be looked at by CCP. When one looks for feedback on a topic that is directly related to the whole community and not just forum users, then surely the reasonable thing to do is send the message to everyone. They do. Its called the EULA. Every user skims through and ignores it when they update their client. Maybe I wasn't clear and I apologize for any ambiguity. I am referring to the options outlined in the original post and not the EULA. Ah sorry I apologise in return, I misread your post. Um.. because um.... spam? lol I have no idea. * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1516	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:06:00 - [1209] - Quote A: B, you're stupid! B: QQ!!! CCP: A, say you are sorry A: I'm sorry that B is stupid Well, it was funny IN MY MIND v0v I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2878	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:10:00 - [1210] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: A: B, you're stupid! B: QQ!!! CCP: A, say you are sorry A: I'm sorry that B is stupid Well, it was funny IN MY MIND v0v LOVE IT, love everything about it * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum 109	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:13:00 - [1211] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: Talia Prime wrote: Delt0r Garsk wrote: And my God please no "community vote". You forums people actually believe you represent the community. You don't Yeah, I probably didn't think out the community vote idea too well, not enough sleep and a stressful morning! That said, I have to disagree with you, I feel the majority of 'forums people' do represent the community, after all, what are we if we are not the community. I play Eve, you play Eve, you're part of the community, I'm part of the community. I've played Eve on and off since about 2007 and read a lot of forum posts, I've only been contributing/trolling in the last few months so I think I am very representative of the community. (By the way, now you've posted on the forums, that makes you a 'forums people', so does that mean you're no longer representative of the community??) In a way yes. The forums are very inactive for the size of the player base. When most do use the forums its either a noob question or for the recruitment etc. Not this sort of thing. And example was the stats on the thread that started it all. It was like only 500 unique people posted to it. Considering there is about 30000 logged in right now, that is clearly not many people. This is the noisy lot. We are most definitely biased in our views compared to a large chuck of the player base. Bit like people who use Redit. Or /. etc. Its not everyone and by no means represents everyone. I don't know... I read once that politicians regard people who phone in as representative of their community (you know, the whole 'call your congressman' thing)... they actually have some formula where each caller is considered to represent X number of people who feel the same way but didnt bother actually making the phone call. I think 'us forum folk' may be somewhat along those lines. BEING AN ******* IS NOT A CRIME! I support un-banning Erotica1
Tor Norman Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:14:00 - [1212] - Quote Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. WTF did I just read?
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum 109	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:16:00 - [1213] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. Well said. +1 BEING AN ******* IS NOT A CRIME! I support un-banning Erotica1
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 549	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:27:00 - [1214] - Quote Danalee wrote: E-2C Hawkeye wrote: What constitutes player abuse cannot be finite. All our forum lawyers, scientist, self perceived intellectually superior and professional trolls would tear the definition apart. Player abuse should be on a case by case basis and should include a basic description but not limited to that description. When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. He earned his reward to which I say congrats. - What constitutes player abuse cannot be finite. Agreed. - All our forum lawyers, scientist, self perceived intellectually superior and professional trolls would tear the definition apart. Agreed. - Player abuse should be on a case by case basis and should include a basic description but not limited to that description. Agreed. - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. Taking joy in a fellow player getting banned without prior warning is pretty lame. But I take it someone ganked you boat or something so it's all good. D. Sorry no, I take no pleasure in someone being banned. To my knowledge I never had interactions with E1. The person in question received due process and swift justice. Nothing I can do to change it but I myself can learn from it.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2879	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:31:00 - [1215] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. Agreed "And God said, "Dont touch my bloody tree". And Adam said "Ok I wont" and ate of the fruit. And God said "WTF Did I just tell you?" and Adam said "I didnt know it was wrong to disobey God until I ate of the tree of wisdom. Me sorree" And so God punished him anyway." * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Prince Kobol 1609	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:48:00 - [1216] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. Probably because there are occasions where nothing but a outright ban will be good enough. Also if you can think of those situations where this would apply but still go ahead and do them, then you deserver to be banned. If you can not think any occasion or any situation where a outright ban can never be justified then there is something wrong with you
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 110671	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:52:00 - [1217] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. You are actually implying that Ero1 used discretion ? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Danalee Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 833	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:55:00 - [1218] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. You are actually implying that Ero1 used discretion ? Sure did. His. D. HTFU, in moderation ofcourse. If perchance the above statement has rustled a CSM's jimmies, I respectfully beg of him/her not to blog about it nor pressurize CCP to ban me.
Tor Norman Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:56:00 - [1219] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. Probably because there are occasions where nothing but a outright ban will be good enough. Also if you can think of those situations where this would apply but still go ahead and do them, then you deserver to be banned. If you can not think any occasion or any situation where a outright ban can never be justified then there is something wrong with you There are situations where an outright ban is appropriate. Such as illegal RMT, hacking, deliverately disrupting server stability, avoiding CONCORD vengeance after ganking someone. These are rules where there is no grey area, you break them or don't. In these situations, account action without prior warning is acceptable because there simply isn't room for misinterpretation. When it comes to player interaction, there are far too many scenarios to enumerate, hence CCP should allow players to use their discretion on such matters. However, like I said, if CCP feel that a player is pushing too hard and has indeed crossed the line, then a warning should be issue. Otherwise, what's the point in inviting players to use their discretion? WTF did I just read?
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 503	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:56:00 - [1220] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Do we know for certain that the people financing and supporting it were not trying to manipulate the market prices of minerals or had a station full of Hulks to sell? I'm certain that the entire idea was not born out of "hey, TEARS! we want TEARS! woohoo!". If I was wanting to sell hulks or control mineral prices I would certainly throw a bone to the tear fetishists too. (and if one of them did to a miner what E1 did, I would DQ them in a hearbeat without waiting for a ban) Goons have been great at using the concept of "messing with highsec" to cover their true motives. You do know that nothing is going to change from this point in the game, right? Perhaps the tear fetishists will keep their convos and videos in private forums. Makes me wonder though. If the tears are so "delicious", why do they have to be shared? You can keep the convos and videos on say a thumb drive, and when there's nobody around you can plug it in and enjoy your work. Why the need to show it all out to the world? Yeah... makes me wonder. Take a quick guess at which alliance owns nearly every Hulk BPO in the game? Oh, and WTF? Like it's something to hide? As though the fact that I get a laugh from a grown man screaming his lungs out about a videogame is something I need to be ashamed of? Yeesh, you're talking about it like it's some sexual fetish or something. Well in the Eve Radio interview, when it was revealed that one of the operatives of the bonus room had hundreds of recordings, I was reminded of another thing that some guys have hundreds of on their hard drives. I'm trying to find out why someone goes through as much trouble to harvest tears when for the most part, few people bother. If there's no ISK in it, and nothing further to gain, then what is the motivation? It has to be something. I know I'm asking a lot here, because I have asked for the motivation for years, and everybody I asked never provided an answer. "This is a sandbox HTFU" would follow. I see the blogs built around tear harvesting and it seems like you all are just showing it to each other. Can you tell me why this is supposed to be normal? AH, I see your motivation, it kick sand into thew faces of the HTFU crowd thats kicked sand in your face for years. revenge. Thats a motivation, right there. But do you get isk out of it? Cause if now you can be banned. PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Jessica Danikov Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 315	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:58:00 - [1221] - Quote Punishment is threefold- consequence of the infraction (retribution), to dissuade the person from doing it again (reform), and to dissuade others from doing it at all (deterrence). In this case CCP have to be deliberately vague to avoid people gaming the law and can only give the vague spirit of the law. I think the guidelines are pretty clear, though- EVE is intended to enable the role play of villains for entertainment rather than justify villainous behaviour to real people under the guise of a game. Full transparency of their process is something CCP isn't open to. Judging people on their behaviour outside of EVE is well within their rights as licensors of a private experience (rather than providers of a public service). The EULA/TOS explicitly state that they may wantonly ban anyone for no stated reason, so on a certain level if you're not comfortable with that, you should leave. Until there's evidence of CCP widely abusing that power (which would be a very self destructive move) it's just a part of the status quo most of us don't test or need to worry about.
Tor Norman Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:58:00 - [1222] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. You are actually implying that Ero1 used discretion ? You think he didn't? His actions clearly demonstrate he was trying to play within the rules. As twisted a sense of humour we may think he has, he acted in such a way that didn't break any rules as far as his interpretation of them was concerned. WTF did I just read?
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 503	Posted - 2014.03.31 16:00:00 - [1223] - Quote Ssabat Thraxx wrote: Call me crazy, but I think the words of a CCP Dev (CCP Falcon) carry more weight than the words of a trolling CSM. Who doesnt get moderated for said trolling -.- PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Qalix Long Jump. 249	Posted - 2014.03.31 16:04:00 - [1224] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. Because he totally didn't understand that his behavior was over the top. No matter what people do, CCP should definitely have to warn them first or create a list of every possible human behavior that could be considered offensive in anticipation of the next sociopathic outburst by random players. Nice George Costanza logic you're applying: was that wrong? should I not have done that? You know, if someone had told me, I wouldn't have done it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RvNS7JfcMM
Qalix Long Jump. 249	Posted - 2014.03.31 16:05:00 - [1225] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. You are actually implying that Ero1 used discretion ? You think he didn't? His actions clearly demonstrate he was trying to play within the rules. As twisted a sense of humour we may think he has, he acted in such a way that didn't break any rules as far as his interpretation of them was concerned. I recommend you respond to the outrageous behavior of CCP protecting its core business by rage quitting and going to some other game where that sort of behavior is condoned...
Prince Kobol 1610	Posted - 2014.03.31 16:07:00 - [1226] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: When it comes to player interaction, there are far too many scenarios to enumerate, hence CCP should allow players to use their discretion on such matters. However, like I said, if CCP feel that a player is pushing too hard and has indeed crossed the line, then a warning should be issue. Otherwise, what's the point in inviting players to use their discretion? Yet there are hard line rules in place already regarding to player interaction. Rules which any sane human being would not argue with and will get you an outright ban. Outside of those rules CCP do use their discretion and sometime you might be given a warning, other times you will receive a ban. CCP already allow us a certain amount of discretion, however for somethings THEY HAVE to have hard line rules. Racism is just one example. There can never be any room for any kind of discussion, discretion or warnings in these instances. You make a racist comment, racist abuse then you will be banned. Here it stated in the TOS "You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)" Now are you really saying that this shouldn't be part of the TOS?
Prince Kobol 1610	Posted - 2014.03.31 16:10:00 - [1227] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tor Norman wrote: Danalee wrote: - When players cross that line they should be held accountable for their action. Agreed. By means of warning followed up by appropriate action if the warning isn't heeded. This is the crux of the issue for me. If Erotica 1 had been warned before ultimately being banned, I'd have no issue with the matter. However, if players are being invited to use their discretion on matters of conduct, then banned because CCP believes their discretion was wrong, then there's no point in inviting players to use their discretion at all. You are actually implying that Ero1 used discretion ? You think he didn't? His actions clearly demonstrate he was trying to play within the rules. As twisted a sense of humour we may think he has, he acted in such a way that didn't break any rules as far as his interpretation of them was concerned. His interpretation, our interpretation does not matter, all that does matter is CCP's interpretation. You can argue all you like but this applies to every single game. The Developers interpretation is the on that matters, not the players, don't like, don't play.
Tor Norman Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 104	Posted - 2014.03.31 16:12:00 - [1228] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Tor Norman wrote: When it comes to player interaction, there are far too many scenarios to enumerate, hence CCP should allow players to use their discretion on such matters. However, like I said, if CCP feel that a player is pushing too hard and has indeed crossed the line, then a warning should be issue. Otherwise, what's the point in inviting players to use their discretion? Yet there are hard line rules in place already regarding to player interaction. Rules which any sane human being would not argue with and will get you an outright ban. Outside of those rules CCP do use their discretion and sometime you might be given a warning, other times you will receive a ban. CCP already allow us a certain amount of discretion, however for somethings THEY HAVE to have hard line rules. Racism is just one example. There can never be any room for any kind of discussion, discretion or warnings in these instances. You make a racist comment, racist abuse then you will be banned. Here it stated in the TOS "You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)" Now are you really saying that this shouldn't be part of the TOS? I wasn't clear enough, my bad. Outside of the scenarios already outlined, there are far too many examples to enumerate. WTF did I just read?
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 504	Posted - 2014.03.31 16:14:00 - [1229] - Quote I know this isnt gonna make sense Radio guys are talking about a fight between two rival biker gangs. There are 9-1-1 tapes of the fight, where theyre shooting at each other. The whole deal. Theres a TV News lady talking about it, she says "Its a he said, she said situation..." The radio guy says "Except with Bullets..." The TV lady: "And most of the people involved are dead" I may be a sociopath but that was funny as hell because that describes this game so well PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum 114	Posted - 2014.03.31 16:15:00 - [1230] - Quote Tor Norman wrote: When it comes to player interaction, there are far too many scenarios to enumerate, hence CCP should allow players to use their discretion on such matters. However, like I said, if CCP feel that a player is pushing too hard and has indeed crossed the line, then a warning should be issue. Otherwise, what's the point in inviting players to use their discretion? This. BEING AN ******* IS NOT A CRIME! I support un-banning Erotica1

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