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da bankman	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:25:00 - [1] Just finished training Heavy assault ships level V and decided to go for Command ships after that. But im having second thoughts since Im worrried I'll never fly my HACs again if I step into a Command ship. Don't wanna have trained that skill for nothing . Can someone convince me it's still worth going for the Commands and flying them along with HACs?
Ter'duk Tarr	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:28:00 - [2] I wouldn't worry about not flying you HACs anymore. Do u have leadership skills? What's the need for a Cmd ship? HAC = Hotness. Check out the demand for Cmd ships then check the market for HACs. I would think this speaks for itself. Stick w/ you HAC....but that's just my opinion.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:33:00 - [3] Simpel really... If cruisers suits your style of play rather than BCs, choose HACs, if its the other way around, well.... _______________________________________
Hotice	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:34:00 - [4] For general purpose, HAC is better than Command ships. You can just look at the ship prices then you will realize HAC is far more popular. HACs are faster, have better resistance, do very good damage. Problem of HAC is their cap. A heavy nosf or two will run a HAC pilot's day. Command ship got more weapon slots but they are slower, resistance is good but big signture radius make them take as much damage as battleships. This reduced their tanking ability by a good margin. Over all in lvl 4 missions, HACs perform better than Command ships. Espeically on the hard ones. I know a few friends who tried to Command ships but ended up gone back to HAC. For pvp, command ships are pretty on par with HAC with their heavier fire power. However, Command ships also suffer the same problem as HAC, heavy nosf can really hurt them. Over all, I don't think you will give up on the HACs at especially with HAC 5. HAC as whole is a far superiour package than command ships.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:38:00 - [5] I can fly caldari, amarr and gallente so far and have an absolution and a nighthawk. Good things about commands: - They are great tanks - same damage output as HACs Bad things about commands: - They are slow - They turn like pregnant wales - bigger sig radius as HACs Ship lovers click here
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:39:00 - [6] If you enjoy the Cerberus you can take comfort in knowing that training for a Nighthawk is actually a downgrade for you. Otherwise they are an upgrade but pretty slow and speed is one of the strengths of HAC. ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
The Judge	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:53:00 - [7] Command ships deal out more damage than hac's. Compare Absolution to Zealot for example.
Malacore	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:09:00 - [8] Originally by: The Judge Command ships deal out more damage than hac's. Compare Absolution to Zealot for example. But aren't as useful in a lot of cases. Compare Nighthawk to Cerberus for example.
Yith Solarius	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:13:00 - [9] oh and ps the word you'll looking for is obsoleat not absolute Todays Idea: Eye for an eye
Al Thorr	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Yith Solarius oh and ps the word you'll looking for is obsoleat not absolute Err isnt it Obsolete. ? "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Glarion Garnier	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:31:00 - [11] And when you think stuff hard enough. You can just train for Taranis and be done with it.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Ter'duk Tarr I wouldn't worry about not flying you HACs anymore. Do u have leadership skills? What's the need for a Cmd ship? HAC = Hotness. Check out the demand for Cmd ships then check the market for HACs. I would think this speaks for itself. It says more people can fly HACs for the same reason more people can fly AFs. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Corn Meal	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:47:00 - [13] since most people here are relating Price to how the ships rate ill step in... Command ships other than the Caldari verion (pos's) are great ships with in the caldari version less dps.. but must have FAR more DPS even some of the Logistic versions have better dps than a Hac its all about how fast you want to move... as stated the Cmc's are just BS's....
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:53:00 - [14] Command ships have the sig radius of battleships, and hence suffer similar weaknesses to battlecruisers. They're good, but have their drawbacks. HACs still have plenty of reason to exist. And I've killed plenty of command ships in my HACs (rip blaster Astartes). I dont think we need to panic yet. Testy's Eve Blog!
Mr rooflez	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Testy Mctest Command ships have the sig radius of battleships, and hence suffer similar weaknesses to battlecruisers. They're good, but have their drawbacks. HACs still have plenty of reason to exist. And I've killed plenty of command ships in my HACs (rip blaster Astartes). I dont think we need to panic yet. Which HACs exactly? The only HAC I can see beating a blaster fitted Astarte is an ECM fitted Ishtar, but that's got everything to do with the ECM and nothing with the tank/damage/speed of the ship.
Miranda Duvall	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:25:00 - [16] I havent flown my eagle from the moment i boarded my vulture... much better tank (i can fit a SB Amp that i couldnt fit on my eagle) and a dronebay (no need for a webber anymore cuz i can set my t2 small drones on those pesky tacklers. damage = same, but basically double the hitpoints and effectively 2 extra med slots ... I love it. why exactly is cerb > nighthawk btw? dont fly either, but will someday...
da bankman	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:58:00 - [17] thx for the replies. Im a tech 2 Zealot + Deimos pilot so Absolution and Astarte would be my target ships. I realise they are bigger wich can be their downfall but more tanking ability and more damage instead + of course the command module ability for gangs. I simply wanna be sure that if I train them I wont be replacing my HACs
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Mr rooflez Which HACs exactly? The only HAC I can see beating a blaster fitted Astarte is an ECM fitted Ishtar, but that's got everything to do with the ECM and nothing with the tank/damage/speed of the ship. Vagabond. The astarte won't even hit the thing. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Mr rooflez Which HACs exactly? The only HAC I can see beating a blaster fitted Astarte is an ECM fitted Ishtar, but that's got everything to do with the ECM and nothing with the tank/damage/speed of the ship. Vagabond. The astarte won't even hit the thing. How do you define beating?
Lexor SLice	Posted - 2006.05.05 01:41:00 - [20] Edited by: Lexor SLice on 05/05/2006 01:41:11 sorry, but with hac 5, med ac spec 5, and a mix of faction and t2 gyro's, i dont really know if i could break an astarte's tank, never tried, but i've tried in a bs, and havent had much success. edit: i meant for the vaga ____________________________________________
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.05 02:03:00 - [21] Edited by: Hllaxiu on 05/05/2006 02:04:16 Originally by: Lexor SLice Edited by: Lexor SLice on 05/05/2006 01:41:11 sorry, but with hac 5, med ac spec 5, and a mix of faction and t2 gyro's, i dont really know if i could break an astarte's tank, never tried, but i've tried in a bs, and havent had much success. So what did the Astarte have fitted? It almost certainly wasn't a real pvp setup. EDIT: And was it a permanent tank? You won't hit a vagabond orbitting at the edge of range for 220mm autocannons w/barrage ammo. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.05.05 02:20:00 - [22] Go here to see an Astarte in action. They're powerful ships - offering as much if not more fire-power than a Battleship in a smaller, slightly faster package. They can tank like hell - I know from experience. Especially the Field Command ships. They can soak up damage like milk and cookies. However, unless you know the field, a bit cumbersome for a solo ship. The Firing Range
Dracu1a	Posted - 2006.05.05 03:17:00 - [23] I see a lot of talk about the Astarte, but not much on the Eos. From looking at the specs, i would think an eos would be the superior ship between the two gal command ships. Anything im missing here? Im looking at it too from a pilot who has very high drone skills's perspective. But i mean...the higher resists and bigger drone bay would make for a better pvp ship imo. But then again ive yet to get the chance to fly one. Maybe some day :D
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.05.05 03:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Dracu1a I see a lot of talk about the Astarte, but not much on the Eos. From looking at the specs, i would think an eos would be the superior ship between the two gal command ships. Anything im missing here? Im looking at it too from a pilot who has very high drone skills's perspective. But i mean...the higher resists and bigger drone bay would make for a better pvp ship imo. But then again ive yet to get the chance to fly one. Maybe some day :D Eos has more mid-slots, a big drone bay and guns going for it. Of course it can't be that bad The Firing Range
Shreven Bulks	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:51:00 - [25] Edited by: Shreven Bulks on 05/05/2006 06:52:29 Originally by: Hotice For general purpose, HAC is better than Command ships. You can just look at the ship prices then you will realize HAC is far more popular. HACs are faster, have better resistance, do very good damage. Problem of HAC is their cap. A heavy nosf or two will run a HAC pilot's day. Command ship got more weapon slots but they are slower, resistance is good but big signture radius make them take as much damage as battleships. This reduced their tanking ability by a good margin. Over all in lvl 4 missions, HACs perform better than Command ships. Espeically on the hard ones. I know a few friends who tried to Command ships but ended up gone back to HAC. For pvp, command ships are pretty on par with HAC with their heavier fire power. However, Command ships also suffer the same problem as HAC, heavy nosf can really hurt them. Over all, I don't think you will give up on the HACs at especially with HAC 5. HAC as whole is a far superiour package than command ships.
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.05.05 07:41:00 - [26] ôHACs are faster, have better resistance, do very good damage. Problem of HAC is their cap. A heavy nosf or two will run a HAC pilot's day.ö Command ships have far better resistance then HACÆs. Half of them have +25% to resistance and all of them can add xx% to resistance from gang assist which puts you way ahead of HACÆs. Take a Vulture which has HAC base resistance then add 25% resistance from the ship bonusÆs. Then sometimes more then 22.5% from gang assist. My Eos has HAC base resistance; +22.5% resistance from gang assist and a 37.5% amour repair bonus and it runs 2 repairs none stop. Making it far tougher then any HAC. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
sableye	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:04:00 - [27] I can'nt fly them but I bought an astarte last night 170 mil and absolution for 195 they are a steal at these prices the reason for low prices is not many can fly them yet but I think they will be sweet ships, I think I'll still fly my hacs though as they are good too. ORC Outrage Recruiting You Today.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Testy Mctest And I've killed plenty of command ships in my HACs (rip blaster Astartes). I dont think we need to panic yet. Plenty?.. Please explain And that Astarte kill, was there a jammer involved or double web? Command ships, or pretty much all ships are easily taken out by ships fitted for taking them out. Spirits in the night! Allll Niiight!!
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:20:00 - [29] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/05/2006 08:21:09 The Absolution outclasses the Zealot in pretty much every category except maneuverability and sig radius. Signature removed. Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. - Petwraith
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/05/2006 08:21:09 The Absolution outclasses the Zealot in pretty much every category except maneuverability and sig radius. The sig and the maneuverability is not its biggest problem... The missing range bonus is Spirits in the night! Allll Niiight!!

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