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wickedlady	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:08:00 - [1] My Experience at pvp over the last 6 months Hopefully this wont come over as a whine ;-) but I cant take no more. IÆve finally come to the conclusion that I suck so bad at pvp its embarrassing and IÆm posting this on my alt, my character is 6 months old and was built purely for pvp I havenÆt in that time killed any one , ;-( but my losses are extreme to say the least 6 Haprys > 150mil Down the Pan 4 Ferox > 108Mil Down the Pan 2 RetributionÆs > 34Mil (I love this ship ;-) 15 Moa - 105 Mil 3 Blackbirds - 9mil (Probably my best opportunity to get my first kill but I forgot to fit a scrambler,) So thatÆs 406 Mil up in smoke and easy another 60mil in fittings IÆm going to sell my raven and give all the isk to any random person I see, uninstall eve and hopefully I can with stand the withdrawal symptoms over the next few days ;-( Please dont lock this thread I deserve any flames I get please let this run I did start insuring my ships but sometimes I just forgot to, I lost all my ships solo I suck
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:09:00 - [2] ---------------- Official -V- Forum CarebearÖ. I mine on forums. RecruitMe@NOINT!
Splagada	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:13:00 - [3] Edited by: Splagada on 05/05/2006 10:13:38 damn accounts, that was me above (Misspelled) - Member of [AAST] do
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:13:00 - [4] Im pretty sure even you could get a kill in a scorpion. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Misspelled	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:13:00 - [5] All that matters here is that you had fun. i so wish i could pvp, i tried, it cost me a few cyclones (one uninsured...) but! making money is not easy but doable. I guess from now you will think about insuring them, using cheap fitting (which you probably did already!) All that matters in the long run is the fun you had. frustration is part of it, but not on the same day :p I think you have a lot of courage to try this playstyle i started eve very recently, tried to shoot something in empire space, concord came and i went poof then i could find a few helpful people who explained me a few things, and i joined a friendly corp. still learning but i hope i can at least defend myself in PvP soon! soloing PVP shows a lot of courage tho :) Why not try to find a group to fight with? i agree the reward is less than solo, but the survival is better :) Dont do anything permanent, the frustration will probably fade and you will be back, happy to find all there !
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:16:00 - [6] It's all learning mate. The amount I've lost would make most people have a heart attack. But you're havign fun. I suggest sticking to crusiers. They are great and good in low sec vs most people. Just keep trying mate. -=====-
Izo Azlion	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:24:00 - [7] Six? Six Harpys? Oh, man. Uhm, learn from someone, I'm sure someone here will take you on and teach you how to not lose... that many tech 2 frigs and such. grins sheepishly Least your going for it :p Gl man, Izo Azlion, Clan Wolf. ---
Callistus	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:26:00 - [8] I fail to understand how you could lose so many ships and not get a single kill Perhaps if you went into detail on some of the actual fights and ship setups then we could give you some help, because you must be doing something seriously wrong. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Ishquar Teh'Sainte	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:28:00 - [9] Originally by: MysticNZ It's all learning mate. The amount I've lost would make most people have a heart attack. But you're havign fun. I suggest sticking to crusiers. They are great and good in low sec vs most people. Just keep trying mate. what he said ... don't give up .. use cheap ships (t1 frigs, t1 cruiser) and cheap equipment (i'm saying cheap - not useless ) ... try to find some fights where you know you will survive ... and then slowly progress to those were your survival rate will drop ... ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:34:00 - [10] err u went thro 30 odd ships and didnt get a single kill? damn. You a pvp corp that can teach you, might help you.
wickedlady	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Callistus I fail to understand how you could lose so many ships and not get a single kill Perhaps if you went into detail on some of the actual fights and ship setups then we could give you some help, because you must be doing something seriously wrong. i fail to see too to be honest I dont think my setups are the problem. My main problem is I panic like a twit when pvp kicks off, my heart rate quadruples, before I even lock on im saying to myself Im gonna loose another ship, I think an Ibis could take me ;-(
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:41:00 - [12] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2006 10:40:43 You managed to lose over 30 ships without killing anyone? Not long ago I tried out a pirate alt and managed to kill about 25 ships and lost 2, on my second day. Are you undocking repeatedly into stationcamps or something? [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:42:00 - [13] Originally by: wickedlady Originally by: Callistus I fail to understand how you could lose so many ships and not get a single kill Perhaps if you went into detail on some of the actual fights and ship setups then we could give you some help, because you must be doing something seriously wrong. i fail to see too to be honest I dont think my setups are the problem. My main problem is I panic like a twit when pvp kicks off, my heart rate quadruples, before I even lock on im saying to myself Im gonna loose another ship, I think an Ibis could take me ;-( Then practice on the test server or something until you get over it... or fight in really cheap ships like kestrels... [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
wickedlady	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2006 10:40:43 You managed to lose over 30 ships without killing anyone? Not long ago I tried out a pirate alt and managed to kill about 25 ships and lost 2, on my second day. Are you undocking repeatedly into stationcamps or something? No not undocking at stationcamps, yeah 30 ships 0 kills Im gonna log on and pod my alt might make me feel better
Luffe	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:43:00 - [15] Sounds just like my experience in pvp. Also same thing with wife's pvp experience in eve. Crapload of isk gone poof. Parts of it was fun other parts totally stupid... My loses came from flying blackbird or "pink ship with huge text saying "primary, n00b"". Still I would have loved to see some success. 8 months, zero kills, loses untold. But in the end I came to conclusion that pvp and me don't fit together.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:44:00 - [16] Originally by: wickedlady Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2006 10:40:43 You managed to lose over 30 ships without killing anyone? Not long ago I tried out a pirate alt and managed to kill about 25 ships and lost 2, on my second day. Are you undocking repeatedly into stationcamps or something? No not undocking at stationcamps, yeah 30 ships 0 kills Im gonna log on and pod my alt might make me feel better Who are you fighting? I can understand if you're trying to solo in Syndicate or something... [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
wickedlady	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Luffe Sounds just like my experience in pvp. Also same thing with wife's pvp experience in eve. Crapload of isk gone poof. Parts of it was fun other parts totally stupid... My loses came from flying blackbird or "pink ship with huge text saying "primary, n00b"". Still I would have loved to see some success. 8 months, zero kills, loses untold. But in the end I came to conclusion that pvp and me don't fit together. luffe I have noob painted on my hull
wickedlady	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: wickedlady Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2006 10:40:43 You managed to lose over 30 ships without killing anyone? Not long ago I tried out a pirate alt and managed to kill about 25 ships and lost 2, on my second day. Are you undocking repeatedly into stationcamps or something? No not undocking at stationcamps, yeah 30 ships 0 kills Im gonna log on and pod my alt might make me feel better Who are you fighting? I can understand if you're trying to solo in Syndicate or something... Syndicate yeah lost god knows how many ships there

Chribba	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:50:00 - [19] Heh I have 2 years and 11 months - 0 kills. You realize there is more to even than only PVP? Or if you really really really must kill someone, a BS with smartbombs in jita should be able to pull off at least one kill before concord gets you and... can I have your stuff(tm)? EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:52:00 - [20] Originally by: wickedlady Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: wickedlady Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2006 10:40:43 You managed to lose over 30 ships without killing anyone? Not long ago I tried out a pirate alt and managed to kill about 25 ships and lost 2, on my second day. Are you undocking repeatedly into stationcamps or something? No not undocking at stationcamps, yeah 30 ships 0 kills Im gonna log on and pod my alt might make me feel better Who are you fighting? I can understand if you're trying to solo in Syndicate or something... Syndicate yeah lost god knows how many ships there Solo PvPingg in 0.0 has to be the most dangerous thing you can possibly do as a newbie Try piracy in low sec or something [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
wickedlady	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:57:00 - [21] Yeah ive been trying to tell myself that Dark I understand what your saying, im gonna try agian but with cheap ships all is not lost
Ishquar Teh'Sainte	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:58:00 - [22] Originally by: wickedlady Originally by: Dark Shikari Who are you fighting? I can understand if you're trying to solo in Syndicate or something... Syndicate yeah lost god knows how many ships there ah - the mystery is solved ... beeing solo in syndicate as a quite unexperienced play is like jumping into a lions cage wearing a suit made out of steaks ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Ann Mari	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:59:00 - [23] If it's any consolation... About a year ago I quit Eve for about 6 months after I lost 9 Ferox's in a week. Insurance doesn't really help since they were about 90mil a piece including fittings. This time around I'm playing it differently. Deleted my old main. This is my new main. She's a couple months old. Coming up to 3 million sp now, and she can only fly a frigate and a covertor. But she has the real supporting skills now. Just because you can fly ship, doesn't mean you should. Get all your supporting skills up, then get in your dream boat. And don't take your dream boat solo into low sec on the first day. Travel around a bit. Get used to the speed and rate of alignment. Go out ratting with some corp mates. Then go out ganking with some corp mates. Then make sure you have enough isk to be able to lose this ship. Then try some solo ratting And a 1 on 1 pvp'er will show up in your belt. Let him have it! ///End "There can be no justice, if rules are absolute" "The enemy of my enemy, is my friend"
Noluck Ned	Posted - 2006.05.05 11:01:00 - [24] You heard DS Get a ship thats easier to replace. I used to get all excited when in sticky situations too. Just take a deep breath, think about what it is you have to do, act. And Joining a corp that actively pvp's will soon get you the right advice regarding fittings and tactics, not to mention a wingman. Combat in EVE is only ever fair by mutual consent or pure amazing accident. The rest of the time the strong destroy the weak or less well prepared. I take active part in pvp by actively attempting to be in the place where I am not being sought after. I have "Won" loads of encouters by virtue of the fact that the enemy couldnt find me. dont get me wrong, I have lost plenty of ships too, but the one BS and BC I have lost both came from jumping into gatecamps. The (oh so many) cruisers I have lost, are mostly my own fault for sticking my nose in where its not wanted. I cost em money by making em launch probes and dont panic when the big ugly pies in local start the come out come out wherever you are game. Its a lot of fun seeing em get frustrated and leave the system after looking for you for a half hour with no success.....the parting chatlogs are pure comedy gold.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:13:00 - [25] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2006 12:16:42 If you want a highly effective ultra-cheap setup: Kestrel (200k) 4x Malkuth/Limos rockets (50k) Medium Shield Extender II (400k) Web (50k) Scrambler (40k) MAPC (150k) Ballistic control (70k) I took out a wartarget Taranis with this a few days ago and didn't even reach armor [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Lord Slater	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:23:00 - [26] I didnt read the whole thread but here is my advice among all the others. Bear in ming i havent PvP'ed a lot over my 3 years. Ok first of all stay in 0.4 - 0.1. 0.0 is simply too dangerous for someone who is inexperienced in dealing with danger. Practice your combat skills in cheap ships such as a kesttrell. Reason being its a good combat ship and losing it doesant cost alot. Final tip tho you dont have to do this is to join a combat corp such as a mercenery corp or a pirate corp. YARRR HAHAHA im the happy pirate YARRRR
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:30:00 - [27] u should not pvp alone
Voodoo Papa	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:35:00 - [28] Originally by: wickedlady Originally by: Callistus I fail to understand how you could lose so many ships and not get a single kill Perhaps if you went into detail on some of the actual fights and ship setups then we could give you some help, because you must be doing something seriously wrong. i fail to see too to be honest I dont think my setups are the problem. My main problem is I panic like a twit when pvp kicks off, my heart rate quadruples, before I even lock on im saying to myself Im gonna loose another ship, I think an Ibis could take me ;-( pvp anxiety. curious, have you done much pvp in other MMO's? the reason I ask is because in Eve its much more of a rush and theres a lot to risk. spend some time playing some FPS multiplayer or a game like guild wars to get your pvp legs. above all, dont be humiliated and dont have discussions with your opponent after the battle. (if you lose) if that isnt the case then like someone else said .. keep practicing in a jump clone and a cruiser
Lord Slater	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:41:00 - [29] Originally by: The Wizz117 u should not pvp alone I see little reason not too as long as you are carefull. Point is you shouldnt be forced to join a player corp if you dont want to. YARRR HAHAHA im the happy pirate YARRRR
Lord Slater	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Voodoo Papa Originally by: wickedlady Originally by: Callistus I fail to understand how you could lose so many ships and not get a single kill Perhaps if you went into detail on some of the actual fights and ship setups then we could give you some help, because you must be doing something seriously wrong. i fail to see too to be honest I dont think my setups are the problem. My main problem is I panic like a twit when pvp kicks off, my heart rate quadruples, before I even lock on im saying to myself Im gonna loose another ship, I think an Ibis could take me ;-( pvp anxiety. curious, have you done much pvp in other MMO's? the reason I ask is because in Eve its much more of a rush and theres a lot to risk. spend some time playing some FPS multiplayer or a game like guild wars to get your pvp legs. above all, dont be humiliated and dont have discussions with your opponent after the battle. (if you lose) if that isnt the case then like someone else said .. keep practicing in a jump clone and a cruiser Problem is in those online games the death loss isant the same so the PvP rush is very small in comparison i find. You get more in eve because there is real loss involved. YARRR HAHAHA im the happy pirate YARRRR
Miyau	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:22:00 - [31] You should check out Agony's PvP University classes. Good fun and lots to learn. http://www.agony-unleashed.com/
Dinique	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:31:00 - [32] Originally by: wickedlady Hopefully this wont come over as a whine ;-) but I cant take no more. IÆve finally come to the conclusion that I suck so bad at pvp its embarrassing and IÆm posting this on my alt, my character is 6 months old and was built purely for pvp I havenÆt in that time killed any one , ;-( but my losses are extreme to say the least Join the NBSI Acadamy today, and learn how its done. And trust me, those losses are nothing compared to what I've heard other people lost in the process of growing a PvP bwain EVE Mail Serend for details, or have a look at the recruitment thread in the Recruitment forum.
Semantics Man	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:37:00 - [33] No worries man, its all Semantics! 0 Kills really means 0 people hate you
Varia	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Semantics Man No worries man, its all Semantics! 0 Kills really means 0 people hate you hehe, Thats a nice way of looking at it.
Zezman	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:56:00 - [35] The most important rule of pvp is never fight in a ship you cannot afford to lose. Many times a small fast frigate fleet is superior to a large slow battleship fleet, in the hands of a superior commander. Second most important rule of pvp is to know your enemy and know yourself. Assesing your enemies skills, knowing the ships he's in, knowing his numbers, and most importantly, knowing what tactics he is going to use. Third most important rule of pvp is never fight a fair fight, fight a fight that you have already won. Battles are won or lost before the first shot is ever fired. You are not there to win some abstract honor, you are there to kill or subdue your enemy, and come off victorious. Fourth most important rule of pvp is to prevent your opponent from "seeing" you clearly, fighting on the sunny side of the hill so to speak. This means using Electronic Warfare to effectively blind your opponents sensors. Fifth most important rule of pvp is to manage your resources as efficiently as possible. Alot of T1 equipment can do just as well as super loaded T2 ships, at a much lesser cost or risk, and still get the kill. It's all about skill and experience. Make it more expensive for your enemy to fight you than for you to fight your enemy.
Kurlieu	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:28:00 - [36] My 2 ISK. If you had fun, you should keep at it. EVE is a pvp based game, but there are other aspects to it that don't require "active" pvp play. I don't look for trouble in EVE, I'm trying to run a business here, but I will defend myself as best I can. If you want to do pvp only, and you enjoy the fight rather than the win/loss column, go for it. If you want to play EVE and fight, become a miner/industialist - you'll get your share of fights I guarantee. I admire you for what you're doing, you sound like my kind of pirate to be honest. My last "fight" was my Iteron against two Ravens and a Megathron. Those were not my kind of pirates. So I guess I'm doing about as well as you! If you're not having fun, you need to do something that is.
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:15:00 - [37] Well I dont have that much PVP experience myself but I do know that you only fly what you plan to lose. Slasher - 50k Fittings - 100k Clone - 50k =========== Total - 200k If you have say, a couple hundred mil, and you are trying to be good at PVP, buy a bunch of cheap frigates, join a good corp, and get on all the fleet ops.
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Zezman Someone who understood Art of War. Excellent.
Mistress Suffering	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:40:00 - [39] Someone should have taught this poster how to use the lock command. It would have made all the difference.
Podme Imanoob	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:50:00 - [40] I had my first PvP experience last night. Joined a new corp a few days ago, and we were having a mining op in a 0.1 system. Things were going great till a fast little inty showed up. I immediately warped to our 'base' station when he came into the belt, but a couple of the other miners werent so quick. The protection stuck around to try and kill him and I got tired of waiting in the station in my retreiver. SO i bought a cheap little frigate and fitted what I could, and warped out to the belt to see if i could ping a few shots at the guy. Well when I get there I see that a couple friendlys showed up which was cool and all. But me in my total noobness, when trying to select the pirate in the interceptor, accidentally ended up targeting one of the friendlys. Before I realised it I had hit him with some ECM, and then his drones came and smased me to pieces in short time, so I warped back to station, apologised profusely for being such a noob, and got back in my retreiver and waited for the situation to end. I am just going to stick to mining, I am good at that.
wickedlady	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:06:00 - [41] Edited by: wickedlady on 05/05/2006 18:09:27 Might off given you lot the wrong end of the stick , I dont look for PVP never have, im just defending myself i just rat in 0.0 - 0.4 space . I guess I should learn to run once in a while . Crap add another ship to that list dont post when your sitting in 0.0 the system was empty a sec ago
Griff Skyshock	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:11:00 - [42] Originally by: wickedlady Might off given you lot the wrong end of the stick , I dont look for PVP never have, im just defending myself i just rat in 0.0 - 0.4 space . I guess I should learn to run once in a while . Well yes, that does make a difference. Setups for ratting ships usually don't work against a PvP ship/ And you rat in syndicate? Scary. If you want to learn PvP, join a PvP corp, such as a pirate or anti-pirate corp. You'll definately learn there.
Kindakrof	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Zezman Third most important rule of pvp is never fight a fair fight, fight a fight that you have already won. Battles are won or lost before the first shot is ever fired. You are not there to win some abstract honor, you are there to kill or subdue your enemy, and come off victorious. This i would gladly print out on paper, eat and then flush down the toilet later. Utterly useless. But then again i can't be arsed to connect the printer. ---- The _Ultimate_ thread <<- HAHA i removed the link [black][h6]my sig
wickedlady	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:57:00 - [44] I did rat in syndicate but wont go there any more
Tabet Saens	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:19:00 - [45] I'm sure this won't work but here goes... Come to rens. We'll meet up, group, go at it, and I'm pretty sure you'll win!! I'm the carebear's carebear! All in all, I give you thumbs up for trying. It's far more than what others are willing to do.
Dirtball	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:40:00 - [46] My 1st recommendation is join an alliance/corp fly cheap ships and hang with the people that go pvp for fun not to defend their region so they can npc. If you hang around with the best pvprs you know eventually much like school it'll seem like you didnt learn much, but you'll come away with a wealth of knowledge and you'll be yelling at your gangmates for doing noobish stuff in no time. My 2nd recommendation is fly in gangs and fly cheap ships and have lots of them fit and ready to rock and roll. Then when you actually have gang mates online your not picking up mods and crap for your new ship. Get all your backup ships squared away while none of your buds are around then when they are around if you get ganked you'll be right back and the op will pick right up where it left off.

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