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Calio
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Posted - 2006.05.05 16:37:00 -
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Quote: In addition to deploying server side fixes to address the situation, we will be moving agents from certain high load solar systems to distribute load.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused, we're hard at work trying to prevent this from happening again.
So, they're moving the high level agents out of Hageken, and the population of Motsu is up to ~150 and climbing.
The problem is there are maybe 2-3 reasonably high quuality level 4 CN agents in the entire universe and most nubs start with mission running for CN (navy=combat, duh!). Sooner or later people get to level 4 agents and end up in the few systems that have the few such agents. The move fixes nothing. It will just create new lag centers in place of the old ones.
The only real fix is to seed a few more decent quality lev 4 agents in systems that people are actually willing to go to (i.e., .5+). That will spread the load.
And heaven help us all when lev 5 agents are made functional. If there are 10 total in all of secure empire, that's a lot and I can't wait to see the traffic jam that develops in those systems when the time comes.
"Those people who think they know everything are a real annoyance to those of us who do" (Issac Assimov) |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.05 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/05/2006 16:40:20 Ive asked Oveur to check out Motsu since it lags so much. I hope he does.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.05 16:43:00 -
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when i wanted a level 4 agent, i found the best combat one in caldari high sec, and decided to use him. he isn't in motsu, hageken or anywhere else that gets whined about. The system never seems to break 40 people at peak
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.05 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing when i wanted a level 4 agent, i found the best combat one in caldari high sec, and decided to use him. he isn't in motsu, hageken or anywhere else that gets whined about. The system never seems to break 40 people at peak
Last i checked, the one in Motsu is the highest quality...?
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.05.05 16:45:00 -
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i love the whine with my cheese before th fixes are even done.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.05.05 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Calio The only real fix is to seed a few more decent quality lev 4 agents in systems that people are actually willing to go to (i.e., .5+).
So you can presumably do level 4 missions either solo or with a gang of friends, but won't go into low-sec?
Deal with the crowding or accept one of the many, many alternative solutions. Low-sec isn't THAT scary...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.05 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Berak FalCheran
Originally by: Calio The only real fix is to seed a few more decent quality lev 4 agents in systems that people are actually willing to go to (i.e., .5+).
So you can presumably do level 4 missions either solo or with a gang of friends, but won't go into low-sec?
Deal with the crowding or accept one of the many, many alternative solutions. Low-sec isn't THAT scary...
Learn to read. He said people generally, not just him.
Besides, if you haven't figured out even yet that most people aren't interested in going into low-sec, there really isn't much hope for you. ________________________________________________
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:04:00 -
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Like suggested before: scrap the quality system.
It's nothing but trouble anyway.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Berak FalCheran
Originally by: Calio The only real fix is to seed a few more decent quality lev 4 agents in systems that people are actually willing to go to (i.e., .5+).
So you can presumably do level 4 missions either solo or with a gang of friends, but won't go into low-sec?
Deal with the crowding or accept one of the many, many alternative solutions. Low-sec isn't THAT scary...
Learn to read. He said people generally, not just him.
Besides, if you haven't figured out even yet that most people aren't interested in going into low-sec, there really isn't much hope for you.
OK. Let me rephrase:
So people generally can presumably do level 4 missions either solo or with a gang of friends, but won't go into low-sec?
People generally should deal with the crowding or accept one of the many, many alternative solutions. Low-sec isn't THAT scary... ---------
Yes, I pretty clearly understand people don't want to go into low-sec. However they still like to make lots of posts along the lines of: "Hey, it's too crowded in my agent system, a problem I know which would be fixed if I went to another agent in low-sec... but anyway, fix it in my high-sec agent system. Kthx."
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Calio
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Berak FalCheran
So people generally can presumably do level 4 missions either solo or with a gang of friends, but won't go into low-sec?
People generally should deal with the crowding or accept one of the many, many alternative solutions. Low-sec isn't THAT scary... ---------
Yes, I pretty clearly understand people don't want to go into low-sec. However they still like to make lots of posts along the lines of: "Hey, it's too crowded in my agent system, a problem I know which would be fixed if I went to another agent in low-sec... but anyway, fix it in my high-sec agent system. Kthx."
You miss the point completely!!!!
People can and do deal with it. Thats how you get 300 poeple in a system!!!!
It's CCP that can't deal with it
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Calio
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Posted - 2006.05.05 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing when i wanted a level 4 agent, i found the best combat one in caldari high sec, and decided to use him. he isn't in motsu, hageken or anywhere else that gets whined about. The system never seems to break 40 people at peak
Yes, I use the Spacelane patrol agents in Ibura, not the CN agents.
The point is that nubs looking to start see "navy" and figure combat and go from there. By the time they get to level 4 agents, they're committed to that corp and tend not to change.
In any case, the logic having 30 level 1 agents that people use for a week or so before moving on and manybe 4 decent level 4 agents that people use pretty much forever somehow escapes me
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.05.05 18:45:00 -
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The real fix is to move high-quality agents into low-sec where they belong. THAT will sort agent crowding out.
You don't get the best ores in high-sec, or the best ratting, so why the best agents?
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:10:00 -
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move low quality lv 4 agents to 0.5 + systems
and medium to high quality lv 4 agents to 0,4 - systems
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:19:00 -
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Yeah, I guess with only like 1/3 of its current players, EVE wont suffer from any kind of crowding anymore. And putting ALL high end PvE content into PvP country will most certainly cause quite the exodus. Which I doubt is in CCPs best interest.
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Calio
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Yeah, I guess with only like 1/3 of its current players, EVE wont suffer from any kind of crowding anymore. And putting ALL high end PvE content into PvP country will most certainly cause quite the exodus. Which I doubt is in CCPs best interest.
Yes, gotta love the PvP'ers who aren't content to have the best of everything (e.g., high Quality lev 4 agents who give twice the rewards of similar agents in secure space), they want to have all the decent content.
With friends like that, CCP doesn't need competition from other games to pull people away. They'll just push them away for CCP...
and thereby improve it.
Remind me to never invest in any businesses these geniuses dream up.
"Those people who think they know everything are a real annoyance to those of us who do" (Issac Assimov) |
Dukath
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:44:00 -
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The only solution is to make agent quality dynamic.
For each mission done for an agent its quality drops a certain amount. RP wise its easy to explain, there is only so much work to be done, if all the good jobs have been done already only crappy ones remain.
Slowly quality for unused agents will rise. This will automatically balance agents around the universe
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:51:00 -
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What the guy above me said
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Calio
Originally by: Leandro Salazar Yeah, I guess with only like 1/3 of its current players, EVE wont suffer from any kind of crowding anymore. And putting ALL high end PvE content into PvP country will most certainly cause quite the exodus. Which I doubt is in CCPs best interest.
Yes, gotta love the PvP'ers who aren't content to have the best of everything (e.g., high Quality lev 4 agents who give twice the rewards of similar agents in secure space), they want to have all the decent content.
With friends like that, CCP doesn't need competition from other games to pull people away. They'll just push them away for CCP...
and thereby improve it.
Remind me to never invest in any businesses these geniuses dream up.
Stop being such a whiner.
I do missions in lowsec and have never been ganked. In fact when "pirates" roll in they are on the receiving end.
There is no big secret to surviving in lowsec and if a bunch of mission runners cant band together to form a coherent defense strategy then you dont deserve the higher rewards high qual agents offer.
After all, for RP does it make sense that the best agents are in cushy high sec space or would it make more sense if they were on the fringes?
Just because you tremble at the *omg scary!* idea it doesnt make it a bad one.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Yeah, I guess with only like 1/3 of its current players, EVE wont suffer from any kind of crowding anymore. And putting ALL high end PvE content into PvP country will most certainly cause quite the exodus. Which I doubt is in CCPs best interest.
EVE is supposed to be a game of risk vs. reward.
Then, why are the most rewarding missions in the highest security space?
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.05.05 20:00:00 -
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The best agents are already in lowsec. Only very few good ones are in highsec. I do not mind it the way it is. Best rewards for more danger, but some decent ones in safe space too.
Of course one can be rather safe in lowsec too, but a certain risk always remains, higher in some systems than in others. And for example for faction ship users that risk is often too high.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.05.05 20:06:00 -
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Are there still lag centers? For a very long time Ourselaert was extremely laggy, it now it isn't. Whatever they did, they fixed it. Jita is now lag free also. These are very high traffic areas.
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Calio
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Posted - 2006.05.05 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Stop being such a whiner.
Work on your reading comprehension. I do just fine, thank you (I don't do mission for CN) and the only time I have to deal with the laggy systems is when I have to fly in to buy or sell stuff. The point is that CCP's fixes tend to involve moving stuff around (hubs, highways, agents) and that fixes nothing. It just moves the problem.
Originally by: Deja Thoris I do missions in lowsec and have never been ganked. In fact when "pirates" roll in they are on the receiving end.
Good for you. You're obviously quite proud of yourself on that count.
I for one:
1) do not enjoy killing other players 2) Do not enjoy taking their stuff 3) Definitely do not enjoy being ganked while I'm fighting NPC's by someone who gets their rocks off by doing that sort of thing and would run at the first sign of an even fight 4) Do not need or want the adrenaline rush of constantly having to watch my back and local.
So do 80% of the mmorpg players by every poll that's ever been taken in the history of mmorpg's.
CCP is aware of the need to accomdate people who simply do not want to engage in PvP (nomatter what the benefits) if they want to have a finacially successful game. You'd best get over it.
Originally by: Deja Thoris Just because you tremble at the *omg scary!* idea it doesnt make it a bad one.
Yeah. I'm trembling all over. More like can't be bothered dealing with the a$$hole magnet that PvP is.
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.05.05 21:06:00 -
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as stated above, there is a reason that people stayed in highsec :p
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SonOTassadar
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Posted - 2006.05.05 21:18:00 -
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Why not just go with lower quality level 4s and train up your social skills to offbalance the low quality? Surely level 4 agents of even low quality aren't that bad. ___________________________ |
Svetlana Scarlet
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Posted - 2006.05.05 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris After all, for RP does it make sense that the best agents are in cushy high sec space or would it make more sense if they were on the fringes?
Well, er....yes? After all, the upper echelons of the command structure are going to be close to the central core systems of that empire. Now, whether or not they will have the "best" (meaning, toughest) missions is debatable. Maybe the highest quality agents would be towards the center of the civilized systems, but the highest level agents (at least, kill agents -- courier agents probably would still probably make the most sense to be clustered in the center of the settled worlds) would probably be in lower-security areas where their enemies presumably held more sway. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet Chief of Diplomatic Staff Captain, CNS Shield of Larani Caldari Independent Navy Reserve |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.05 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Calio
meh, **** it,
I'd rather bang my head against a wall then debate with you.
Typical carebear whiner (see phrases like "a$$hole", "loser", "getting ganked", "rocks off")
next we'll be told people like nasty pvp'rs ****ed their beds as children and were felt up as youngsters and need to take it out on other peoples pixels.
Stick in lag hell and whine about that. It's one whine or the other so its a no-win situation for CCP.
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Edhel
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Posted - 2006.05.05 21:53:00 -
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scrap quality stuff, should just depend on system sec status if anything.
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Lily Savage
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Posted - 2006.05.05 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing when i wanted a level 4 agent, i found the best combat one in caldari high sec, and decided to use him. he isn't in motsu, hageken or anywhere else that gets whined about. The system never seems to break 40 people at peak
Hello Eratsaka Ogyonin in Irjunin, welcome to uberlag.
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Mistress Suffering
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Posted - 2006.05.05 22:12:00 -
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So create some more higher level agents and scatter them around. As Eve's total population goes up, the agents can as well. The more they are scattered, the less incentive there will be to concentrate in one location.
People complain validly when the game already shows them the item they would choose to be using (a good agent in a high sec location), but fails to be able to support its use with the hardware provided. It is not the job of players to work around bad load-balancing, it is the job of the provider to build content in a load conscious fashion.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.05.05 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Calio
Good for you. You're obviously quite proud of yourself on that count.
I for one:
1) do not enjoy killing other players 2) Do not enjoy taking their stuff 3) Definitely do not enjoy being ganked while I'm fighting NPC's by someone who gets their rocks off by doing that sort of thing and would run at the first sign of an even fight 4) Do not need or want the adrenaline rush of constantly having to watch my back and local.
Lol. Man I've been running LV 4 missions out of an 0.3 for about a month now. Never even seen a pirate target me. I don't even watch local since there isn't any risk. I can just insta to the station if there is any problem. PVP isn't that bad even if it occurs, and if someone is being an ******* about, block menu is very handy.
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