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Vulfen
Bio Tech.
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Posted - 2014.04.10 13:36:00 -
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@ CCP Fozzie
Currently neuts can receive bonuses from both a ship's roles and rigs but the Nos does not get buffed by a rig.
I think there should be a new rig that increases nos amount or reduces the cycle time further.
You could just modify the existing Egress Port Maximizer rig to allow for a bonus to one of the above. thus allowing for pure cap warefare ships to field a variety of neut and nos.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5571
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:53:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Ranger! But you said that Nos would "become more popular on all cruiser class, and several BC's", which was predictably wrong. I mean, you didn't even notice how few utility slots modern cruisers have! I said that the mechanic changes was a bad idea because it would have minimal effect on usage patterns and future changes would be required, particularly for heavy Nos... which was right. Especially for the heavy Nos bit, which is being ignored in this crude blanket change and will require another set of fixing in in the future... Actually, everything that I said would happen... including this tweak... has happened.
I'm seeing more fits being created, shared, and used than I have seen in a long time on cruiser size and down. Large NOS, predictably, not so much... since NOS is a not a weapons system designed to be effective vs smaller ships like Neuts specifically are.
NOS leverages having less cap than your opponent. Neuts leverage having more cap than your opponent.
I'm sorry you don't like that design decision, but there it is.
I'm still going to say it is likely that there will be a (very) slight reduction in fitting costs at some point. And we will also see some BS hulls tweaked or introduced that can leverage large NOS in interesting ways.
We'll see if I"m correct again. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1168
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:22:00 -
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You're not serious are you, Ranger?
You predicted that Nos would "become more popular on all cruiser class, and several BC's". And now you're saying that "I'm seeing more fits being created, shared, and used than I have seen in a long time on cruiser size and down".
There's two problems here. Firstly, you've already conceded that the BC part of your prediction was wrong, so it's a little bit odd for you to be congratulating yourself for a successful prediction.
Secondly, perhaps you could explain where you're seeing these Mallers, Omens, Caracals, Moas and Vexors that are routinely dropping weapons for Nos, because they sound like... unorthodox... fits. At least fitting a Nos/neut makes some sense on a Vexor, Stabber or Rupture, but you did predict that all cruisers would be fitting Nos. Are you saying that your prediction of NOS Caracals has come true? Where could I find such a mysterious ship? |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
719
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Posted - 2014.04.12 17:14:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:...enhancements to batteries? You mean make them worth considering ever? there too difficult to fit ... at least half there fitting requirements .. probably needs a 3rd off really.. large cap battery works well on a brawling dual rep Ishtar. (small blasters in the highs). Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1106
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:00:00 -
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I read the title as Nosferatu Hurf Blurf.
Are people really avoiding the nosferatus? Do people really consider them underpowered? I felt they were arguably a little overpowered. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
26
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:18:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Harvey James wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:...enhancements to batteries? You mean make them worth considering ever? there too difficult to fit ... at least half there fitting requirements .. probably needs a 3rd off really.. large cap battery works well on a brawling dual rep Ishtar. (small blasters in the highs).
Dual-rep Sacrilege with a large cap battery II, so much cap... Plenty of room left for the launchers too. |
Trinkets friend
Kenshin. Northern Coalition.
1399
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:03:00 -
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Does the 'Strigoi', 'Vrykolas' and the other Nosferatu actually exist in-game? YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
311
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Posted - 2014.04.18 04:07:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Does the 'Strigoi', 'Vrykolas' and the other Nosferatu actually exist in-game? yes i have bpc's of them. but they arnt worth it to manufacture. |
TheButcherPete
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
417
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Posted - 2014.04.29 11:11:00 -
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Vladimir Norkoff wrote:Eh... It's a beneficial change I guess. But the fix you REALLY need to make is to correct the fitting issues.
Until the PG/CPU costs are reduced down to Neut level or lower, the module is still only going to see use on specific tackle ships. And as many have pointed out, the changes you are proposing only make it MORE likely they will be fitted on tackle boats as opposed to more widespread use. While you are at it, you could also take a look at making Cap Batteries NOT suck (again fitting issues).
This. This is why my Sentinel has zero NOS on it. THE KING OF EVE RADIO
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Draco Knight
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.08 06:20:00 -
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So now this nos buff is slated to sometime after we get the new ashimmu and cruor... Ships you specifically wanted to promote nos use on by giving them "old" nos. You failed so hard on the blood raider line, good luck next time. |
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zahter
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:33:00 -
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There is an odd situation on blood raider line, specifically cruor. We know changes will make its web and neut/nos out of sync. I believe the main idea of the change is allowing cruor to reach faster (cruor is always slower than others) target than netu/nos him. As it is explained many times in pirate ship thread, cruor will face opponents web when he get close enough and will not be able to reach his neut/nos range. This makes cruors main power ineffective.
We dont want to make one ship too powerfull over others. So CCP did not grant similar bonus for cruor web and neut/nos ( I still think it is a wrong decision). CCP can instead buff nos in a different manner. Make its overload bonus as range bonus so that it can reach web range. All the other ships will benefit from it if they use nos but we know it will be mostly used by blood raiders. So the change will not be specifically for cruor but it will solve one of big problems for the ship. |
Draco Knight
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:55:00 -
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I agree and I have suggested 20% effectiveness and nos range. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
768
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:09:00 -
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zahter wrote:There is an odd situation on blood raider line, specifically cruor. We know changes will make its web and neut/nos out of sync. I believe the main idea of the change is allowing cruor to reach faster (cruor is always slower than others) target than netu/nos him. As it is explained many times in pirate ship thread, cruor will face opponents web when he get close enough and will not be able to reach his neut/nos range. This makes cruors main power ineffective.
We dont want to make one ship too powerfull over others. So CCP did not grant similar bonus for cruor web and neut/nos ( I still think it is a wrong decision). CCP can instead buff nos in a different manner. Make its overload bonus as range bonus so that it can reach web range. All the other ships will benefit from it if they use nos but we know it will be mostly used by blood raiders. So the change will not be specifically for cruor but it will solve one of big problems for the ship.
If you did this, you'd need a specialised ship (proteus, arazu, etc) to kite the new bhaalgorn while keeping it warp disrupted
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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
687
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:49:00 -
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Fozzie, please do not forget to pay attention to dead space and faction nos as well... |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
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Posted - 2014.05.10 22:00:00 -
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While this is a nice change, it doesn't address their problems on small-class hulls and the general uselessness of utility high slots. Small nos/neuts need their range extended to match warp scramblers. This has been asked for for years; since you're finally looking at the modules, I say it's about time it gets done. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2468
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Posted - 2014.05.10 22:00:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm seeing more fits being created, shared, and used than I have seen in a long time on cruiser size and down. Large NOS, predictably, not so much... since NOS is a not a weapons system designed to be effective vs smaller ships like Neuts specifically are.
Do you keep anything else up your butt where you pulled this non fact from? Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Naomi Anthar
331
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Posted - 2014.05.11 03:16:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: a bunch of useless stuff
I just wanted to tell you that you were never right, you try to ruin nos at all possible cost. You have completly no idea about balancing modules. Hence you will never be "right again" since you never were in first place. |
Sir Dragon
Einherjar Yggdrasils
81
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Posted - 2014.05.18 09:50:00 -
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That or reduce the power grid cost. T2 large goes at 2250 which is just messed up.
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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:00:00 -
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Ines Tegator wrote:While this is a nice change, it doesn't address their problems on small-class hulls and the general uselessness of utility high slots. Small nos/neuts need their range extended to match warp scramblers. This has been asked for for years; since you're finally looking at the modules, I say it's about time it gets done.
Agreed. Any change made to small neuts/nos is pointless due to the fact you will never get in range of anything in order to use them. This makes frigate PVP 1 dimensional and stale. Webs are WAY more effective than neuts/nos and is why mid slots are way more valuable than utility high slots. |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
158
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Posted - 2014.06.09 03:08:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:...enhancements to batteries? You mean make them worth considering ever?
I agree there is only a few fits that have a cap battery in them at all that make sense and they are pretty much for cap stable POS repping ospreys or scythes. There might be a few more, but in almost all cases a cap injector is better by a vast amount that it is laughable to even consider using a battery. |
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