So Older players can place cheap bounties on newer players and get bounty profits more easily as a result?

Or place cheap bounties on non PvP ships e.g. freighters/miners, who may have expensive ships and pod ratings and profit enourmously?

In fact place cheap bounties on anybody and potentially profit substantially?

Not sure how this really would help the policing process, imagine it would create a huge feast of griefing problems as a result.

Seems you could continually have a gank of bounties against one individual also and cause him to go broke as a result quite quickly also due to having to pay the deluge of fine(s)?

Or is this just a remedial way of trying to stop anyone going into suffiently negative security for a bounty status ever? Because if they are aware of the potential ramifications as stands, it would work I think. ;) And that's before the added feature of applying a bounty sufficient to make them an outlaw in the first place and all problems associated with it.

Well I dont see any explanation of the minimum of bounty or method above as you describe, would make more sense if so.

Beside, insta outlaw someone with a huge bounty, multiple opportunities to freely shoot their ships and pods till paid sounds like a nice profiteering exercise and hurt the other guys wallet to boot. Seems like a way to print Isk, potentially.

Even if outlaws were given the opportunity to bribe authorities to correct security standing as a balancer it would still mean they are out of pocket from the exercise. And possibly make pirating simply more attractive anyhow.

If they can't afford to pay do you plex your get out of jail card? And then have to do it again and again from multiple bounties one after another? Seriously?

Or place cheap bounties on non PvP ships e.g. freighters/miners, who may have expensive ships and pod ratings and profit enourmously?

In fact place cheap bounties on anybody and potentially profit substantially?

So as soon you have a non trivial amount of bounty on your head you will get killed sooner or later**, not once, multiple times until your bounty is payed off since the hunters don't get all the bounties at once

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But honestly, I'd go further and that and allow bounties to be payed when ships are destroyed, as well as when pods are (two separate payouts, if ISK is left for the second). And also, include implant killmails (upcoming patch...) into your payment method.

there are still some corner cases to tackle.

the hull insurance payed back to the bad guy should be subtracted from the ship payback to the hunter. This fixes an exploit where killing yourself repeatedly in an empty insured T1 ship could bring the bounty back to 0 without big ISK impact for the bad guy.

This should make almost no difference in the usual case where the bad guy is flying a fully fitted ship, since the fitting is part of the ship payout formula.

-Bounty can only be applicable over players that have negative security status.

- For every 1 isk spent on bounty: The killer will gain 1 isk (bounty office reward) and the killed will lose 1 isk (bounty office fee).

- The maximum amount of drained isk is "X%" of player's current total ISK in his wallet. (Where X is function of the killed security status)

- If the amount drained is inferior to the Bounty value due to the % restriction, then just a part of the bounty is consumed / rewarded.

-The fee is calculated after the insurance refund, so the killed player will have at last a few ISK in the wallet.

Always pro ideas to discuss making the system actually usable, so bravo Bienator.

Alas, because of the ways it could be exploited, it is extremely hard to make Bounty workable, even with your suggestions (I like the idea of the ship loss partially paying out as most decent low sec pilots are slippery when in their pod). Having non-blue or same alliance won't stop it being abused sadly, because it takes just seconds to create a neutral alt to cash in.

yeah, but this does not help.

the payout is always less than the value of the destroyed item. You can not make money by selfkill (via blue, alt.. etc).

lets say you fly a navy apoc which costs with modules around 800mil, your bounty is 1000mil. Your alt kills you in it.

payout = 60% of 800mil = 480mil

this means you reduced your bounty by 480mil but lost 800mil in assets

-> 320mil lost

same applies for podkills

implementation details
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- a hunter won't get any payout if he is in the same alliance or blue to the bad guy

i say make a new bounty agent

that gives out random bounty's to random people with a set amount of time to complete it in say 3 days

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the no insurace payout thing mean that you can "steal" insurance? Place bounty, kill or suicide gank him so they get no insurance. You won't get it too, but this would be horror for miners in HighSec.

If a bounty is collected, the pirate does not get an insurance payout on their ship (thats where it hurts the pirate). And if the pirate is under GCC, that insurance is paid directly into the bounty.

I know there is a way to abuse this, please find it as I cannot taint my own ideas...

we discussed this a bit on the first page. Problem here is that insurance is somewhat independent from bounties. IMO it wouldn't be fair to remove the mechanics of insurance form people with bounty on the head. Why would the bad guy ever insure the ship with this in place?

But hey we could have an compromise. Like 50% insurance payout, rest goes to the bounty payout.

regarding the positive sec status: Riddick would say sometimes you need evil to kill evil :)
I don't think we really need this restriction so far.


but once again those are only little details to smooth the corners - gamedesign experts should work on them ;)

keep up the discussion!

i say make a new bounty agent

that gives out random bounty's to random people with a set amount of time to complete it in say 3 days

you cant get a bounty on a guy thats in your corp/alliance

and if you decline a bounty you get a X hours cool down time before you can request a new one

and a min bounty of 20mill to keep the system from being flooded with 1 isk bountys

a bounty of 500mill + gives the bounty hunter kill rights on the guys pod/ship in highsec

a bounty of 2 bill + gives kill rights to the hunter in high sec and reduces 1 skill as picked by the bounty placer by 50,000 skill points