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Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
115
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Posted - 2014.05.12 13:17:00 -
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You know, the good thing about you being entirely clueless about how nation works sort of clears you of any suspicion to you being a part of them. You really have no idea.
Your ignorance to the fact that literally 95% of people you come into contact with see you as a indoctrinated annoyance is just funny to me, and I have zero agenda behind me merely letting you know about that. So, just letting you know of your current social status. And before you delve into mine? I'm aware of it. I just don't care because I have better things to do.
But you're not remarkable in the fact that you blow up a lot of nation vessels. You would be hard pressed to find a non nation capsuleer who hasn't taken down at least 10 of them.
Your contribution is mediocre at best, and not noteworthy.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
756
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Posted - 2014.05.12 13:36:00 -
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Jurou Yuan wrote:You know, the good thing about you being entirely clueless about how nation works sort of clears you of any suspicion to you being a part of them. You really have no idea.
Your ignorance to the fact that literally 95% of people you come into contact with see you as a indoctrinated annoyance is just funny to me, and I have zero agenda behind me merely letting you know about that. So, just letting you know of your current social status. And before you delve into mine? I'm aware of it. I just don't care because I have better things to do.
But you're not remarkable in the fact that you blow up a lot of nation vessels. You would be hard pressed to find a non nation capsuleer who hasn't taken down at least 10 of them.
Your contribution is mediocre at best, and not noteworthy.
Sploosh. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1071
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Posted - 2014.05.12 13:41:00 -
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Jurou Yuan wrote:You know, the good thing about you being entirely clueless about how nation works sort of clears you of any suspicion to you being a part of them. You really have no idea. I don't need to know how it works. I need to know how to destroy it - and, you know, I know enough to efficiently slaughter Sansha's spawns, because, luckily for us, for peoples who can think and analyze, the sansha's behaviour, just like yours, is pretty much predictable. I have no idea how and why you sanshas work, I just know what you will do, where and when. This is enough for me.
Jurou Yuan wrote: Your ignorance to the fact that literally 95% of people you come into contact with see you as a indoctrinated annoyance is just funny to me, and I have zero agenda behind me merely letting you know about that.
And yet you do! Because it isn't "educating me", or "enlightening me", it is just insulting and loudmouthing, ranting and promoting Sansha propaganda against those, who fight you. It is your program and you can't fight it. Those, who once was Sansha, are Sansha forever. Until death releases their emptied minds.
Jurou Yuan wrote: So, just letting you know of your current social status. And before you delve into mine? I'm aware of it. I just don't care because I have better things to do. I am pretty well aware about my social status, as well as aware, that a sansha clone like you have no idea who I am.
Jurou Yuan wrote: But you're not remarkable in the fact that you blow up a lot of nation vessels. You would be hard pressed to find a non nation capsuleer who hasn't taken down at least 10 of them.
Your contribution is mediocre at best, and not noteworthy.
Naive sansha drone! You are so permeated with reek of gallentean individualistic ideas, that just reading your words is disgusting.
You see, my person means nothing for me, and for many others. I am just a soldier, doing my duty. As a single entity I am nobody.... but... But together, together we make fleets, we make communities, corporations, militias and States. Just ten peoples like me clear Sansha vanguards without any losses, and about 40 peoples like me can remove whole Sansha incursion from constellation. When you see US, when you see OUR FLEET, you understand, that you have absolutely nothing to counter us with.
You have already lost, Sansha. |

Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
757
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Posted - 2014.05.12 13:46:00 -
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And people ask me why we've chosen a 24th contract over continueing the one with 'ex-Provist and assorted madmen'- riddled STPRO. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3627
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Posted - 2014.05.12 13:53:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:And people ask me why we've chosen a 24th contract over continueing the one with 'ex-Provist and assorted madmen'- riddled STPRO.
"which group of irrational racist zealots would you rather hang out with?"
Strikes me that the only correct answer to that question is "neither". An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1524
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Posted - 2014.05.12 14:18:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:
"which group of irrational racist zealots would you rather hang out with?"
Strikes me that the only correct answer to that question is "neither".
With the use of prejudiced, stereotypical, sweeping generalizations like that why would anyone take IGS commentary seriously.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3627
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Posted - 2014.05.12 14:54:00 -
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Are you suggesting that the STPRO and 24th don't contain any irrational and racist zealots? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1524
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Posted - 2014.05.12 15:26:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Are you suggesting that the STPRO and 24th don't contain any irrational and racist zealots?
Are you saying that if an apple and orange are both classified as fruits, they are then exactly the same?
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3629
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Posted - 2014.05.12 15:35:00 -
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For the purposes of deciding what not to include in a selection of cheeses, they might as well be. That's beside the point.
The point is that of course both militias DO contain their share of irrational racist zealots, as do the FDU and TLF. And given that Desiderya's implication was that you transferred from the STPRO to the 24th so as to get away from the, quote: "ex-Provists and assorted madmen", my point was that this approach is rather like swapping beer for wine. Different though those two drinks may be, they'll both still give you a hangover.
although that's maybe not a toxic enough analogy. Let's compare... hmm... strychnine and a ball of enriched uranium. Wildly different though they may be, prolonged contact with either one is not a good idea. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
398
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Posted - 2014.05.12 15:42:00 -
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Jurou Yuan wrote:
But you're not remarkable in the fact that you blow up a lot of nation vessels. You would be hard pressed to find a non nation capsuleer who hasn't taken down at least 10 of them.
Your contribution is mediocre at best, and not noteworthy.
You can get 10 in a single scout class encounter. Which can be done solo in a cruiser. Easy. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1526
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Posted - 2014.05.12 16:14:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:For the purposes of deciding what not to include in a selection of cheeses, they might as well be. That's beside the point.
The point is that of course both militias DO contain their share of irrational racist zealots, as do the FDU and TLF. And given that Desiderya's implication was that you transferred from the STPRO to the 24th so as to get away from the, quote: "ex-Provists and assorted madmen", my point was that this approach is rather like swapping beer for wine. Different though those two drinks may be, they'll both still give you a hangover.
although that's maybe not a toxic enough analogy. Let's compare... hmm... strychnine and a ball of enriched uranium. Wildly different though they may be, prolonged contact with either one is not a good idea.
If your objective is to escape the company of madmen, then seeking the company of different madmen does not accomplish that objective.
And yet this still doesn't change that in my opinion, calling the entirety of the 24IC, irrational, racist, zealots constitutes what I consider to be no less prejudiced, stereotypical, or a generalization as much as something like, say, Diana Kim would say. To borrow your own analogy it's much like the choice between whether I'd prefer a cyanide pill or an organo-phosphate shower as to reading the thought and opinion of either yourself or Diana Kim.
That's okay though, this is the IGS and reading the same old prejudiced crap from one or another is the expected norm I'd say.
And a tip, I know it doesn't translate well in text, but if you didn't know Desiderya can have a penchant for sarcasm, then you do now.
Also since it might be relevant:
Sploosh. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3629
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Posted - 2014.05.12 16:27:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:in my opinion, calling the entirety of the 24IC, irrational, racist, zealots constitutes what I consider to be no less prejudiced, stereotypical, or a generalization as much as something like, say, Diana Kim would say.
Your opinion would be an entirely valid criticism if I had in fact thus accused the entire 24IC.
Which I didn't, any more than Desiderya - sarcastically or not - accused the entire STPRO of being ex-Provists and madmen.
Although I will note that your corporation's departure from the Protectorate has incremented that proportion a little closer to 100%. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3623
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Posted - 2014.05.12 16:33:00 -
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The CEP really should have done something about the STPRO. With things being up in the air so much and the whole administration largely being unreformed from the days of Heth, it's been hard to take them seriously in any way, really.
I'm glad my former-kirjuun found somewhere to land when they left STPRO, though. Something bad happens to an organisation when it lacks a purpose for too long a period of time. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
572
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:43:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Just ten peoples like me clear Sansha vanguards without any losses, and about 40 peoples like me can remove whole Sansha incursion from constellation.
How many Supercarriers have you downed? 100? 1000? 10,000? Capsuleer Nullsec spazzes out and it's high news losing 100 titans. Nation can field and lose thousands and not even care. You severely overestimate your effect on Nation's Industrial power.
I once flew against Nation too. I fought against the Incursions. Starbase after Starbase we downed. A hundred Battletowers in a day? Two hundred? More? Countless thousands of battleships. Revenants going down under sustained Capsuleer fire. And Nation has not slowed one bit. I realized, as you will too one day, that such a fight will do nothing to stop Nation. You cannot win. Not that way, at any rate. |

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
1358
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:55:00 -
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Please, Please, Please, keep this thread on topic. Please. Again, I would be very grateful to hear about how the program is going for the Kameiras. Please keep Nation out of this thread. Thanks. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |

Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
573
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:17:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:...Please, keep this thread on topic.
That'd be a first for the IGS. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
398
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:57:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Ston Momaki wrote:...Please, keep this thread on topic. That'd be a first for the IGS. Odd, all of my threads have stayed on topic so far.... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
591
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Posted - 2014.05.13 04:16:00 -
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Ave Summit. I was actually planning on posting an update when the troops were ready to deploy in about a week or more, but now would be a good time as well.
For the past month the Kameiras turned over to us have undergone screening and are now in the process of receiving supplementary training for their new assignments. Kameiras almost never work in close proximity to civilians and it is necessary to acclimate them to their duties as a defensive response force within civilian sectors of the various contested Amarrian districts in the warzone. Their primary objectives will be to secure and evacuate civilian populations in the event of an attack, with the secondary objectives of preventing damage to civilian assets and inflicting casualties upon raiding forces.
Additionally, they are being given extensive training on how to combat clone mercenary forces, which are vastly different in doctrine and tactics than conventional ground forces. Once this is done they will be dispatched to various locations which will remain classified for operational security.
Thus far we have gathered 5,750 Kameira soldiers. It is estimated that a battalion of 700 soldiers will be needed to effectively secure a single planetary district. This means that we have enough troops to secure approximately eight districts in the warzone, with 150 soldiers held in initial reserve. The length of this first deployment will be two months so that we may gauge the effectiveness of their efforts and procure data relating to casualty rates and attrition in the field.
I hope this clears up a few things. Also, we are still accepting troops into the program, and we ask that if any of you do come across any Kameira units that you offer them the option to join our ranks. The Praetoria extend their deepest gratitude to those who have already done so.
Saints watch over us,
Aldrith Shutaq Fleet Captain PIE Inc. |

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
1359
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:30:00 -
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Thank you. DSTON will be in touch regarding additional Kameiras currently in our care. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1529
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:42:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: Your opinion would be an entirely valid criticism if I had in fact thus accused the entire 24IC.
Then what point are you trying to make with comments such as:
Stitcher wrote:Are you suggesting that the STPRO and 24th don't contain any irrational and racist zealots?
Or
Stitcher wrote: The point is that of course both militias DO contain their share of irrational racist zealots, as do the FDU and TLF.
Exactly?
I find it remarkably disingenuous to at one moment, remark with the implications that the entirety of the 24IC are, "irrational and racist zealots" in the context of my own corporation transferring its military contracts from the STPRO to the 24IC. To then attempt a hand at the flawed logic of, that there may be some, "irrational and racist zealots," in the 24IC then all of the 24IC must be held to the same standard. Then suddenly, now, you aren't accusing the 24IC at all!
Honestly, if you're going to peddle a bicycle, at least try going forwards, not backwards, dear. |
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Matar Ronin
260
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:28:00 -
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It is so interesting that Caldari can become so passionate against the Sansha while being an ally of the amarr. You are in bed with a slaver throwing rocks at another slaver. In the final analysis they both seek to enslave the entire cluster.
It is no secret, they say it directly, only idiots pretend it is not a threat. The time will come when they come to enslave all the Caldari.
You will have no support, look to our past, it is your future! GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ |

Matar Ronin
260
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:48:00 -
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We have learned to our great relief that the Kameiras are still Minmatar in their hearts and soul. Once they are exposed to their true faith and learn the truths the foul slaver cultists work so hard to keep from them they are quite anxious to start getting pay back. Thousands of "awakened" Kameiras have chosen to become clone mercs fighting for Minmatar interests against the slavery cult that previously held them.
So you may continue to keep them isolated but know eventually the truth shall set them free, and when next you see them you will understand how wrong you were to ever subject the Minmatar to your fiendish slavery. That loyal intelligent Kameira will seek your blood for the wrongs you have subjected his peers to for too long. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2489
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Posted - 2014.05.17 02:46:00 -
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... and then the blue pill wore off.
Oh who are we kidding, like you'd ever run out of hallucinogens. Please, carry on, this crap is hilarious. http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0 |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1076
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Posted - 2014.05.17 05:41:00 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:It is so interesting that Caldari can become so passionate against the Sansha while being an ally of the amarr. You are in bed with a slaver throwing rocks at another slaver. In the final analysis they both seek to enslave the entire cluster.
It is no secret, they say it directly, only idiots pretend it is not a threat. The time will come when they come to enslave all the Caldari.
You will have no support, look to our past, it is your future! Slavery is not a threat against Caldari, and will never be, because, lets put it simple, Caldari aren't Minmatars, and Caldari will prefer death than humiliation by working on enemy.
Besides, Amarr are one of the most civilized peoples in the cluster, together with Amarr we can defeat minmatar savagery and gallentean filth and indecency.
Thinking in the terms of "slaver - not slaver" doesn't represent the real picture, it is more like primitives throwing stones from their little world at other societies that they can't understand.
Putting Sansha Nation and Amarr Empire as similar entities is one of the most ignorant things ever sounded. I could only suggest full reeducation or isolation of this minmatar. |

Matar Ronin
261
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:06:00 -
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I find it interesting that the Sansha still have incursions into Caldari space, when if you were to believe some posting here they would prefer death to being enslaved.
I guess that posting proves the credibility of the poster.
A complete and total fraud.
Perhaps when her home world is savaged by her current allies, or a Sansha incursion she'll know her family members and all their fellow state citizens chose death before surrender. Because, let's be honest, the mighty Caldari being so civilized could easily beat the Gallente and or the Minmatar right?
That's why they hopped in bed with the slavery cultists .... to protect them.
They just defeated the Gallente and have total control of their home world right?
Their military prowess is clearly second to none.
The slave cultists are lucky to have such loyal guardians to protect them from the rabble. I am sure they value the Caldari almost as much as they value their Slaver Hounds.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ |

Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3635
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:48:00 -
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We may not be perfect, but we are not you, at least. When you can feed your own people, educate them and tend to their wounds then you can come back here and lecture us. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
486
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Posted - 2014.05.17 07:50:00 -
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To be fair, I suspect we wouldn't be doing quite so stellar a job of it with their starting conditions either. Also, they have awesome face doodles. We still haven't managed to crack their awesome face doodle technology, even with our prowess. I suspect there's some Sebiestor dark technology magic involved, and have hired several highly recognized Sebiestor Engineers (Sebingeneers if you will) in order to attempt reverse engineering it with our Caldari visages and tech.
Sadly, the failure rate has been high and we've been forced to dump the failed experiments the only place they can fit in. Gallente stations, where the horrors have merely become "trendsetters". Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Ava Starfire
Gradient
1548
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Posted - 2014.05.17 10:21:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:We may not be perfect, but we are not you, at least. When you can feed your own people, educate them and tend to their wounds then you can come back here and lecture us.
You disappoint me. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
150
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Posted - 2014.05.17 10:47:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:We may not be perfect, but we are not you, at least. When you can feed your own people, educate them and tend to their wounds then you can come back here and lecture us. You disappoint me.
Yes, I'm sure he does.
Sympathy for one's issues only extends so far. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
486
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Posted - 2014.05.17 11:09:00 -
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Well, when you speak ill of one's people with hyperbole and vitriol oozing from your words, you should be neither disappointed nor surprised when your own shortcomings come up as a response. It may not be fair to paint all with one brush, but it certainly proportionate to the claims he responded to.
As for the Kameiras, it's not like an entire lifetime of indoctrination, training and what may be the staunchest display of loyalty displayed in the cluster short of Kuvakei's mindslaves will simply evaporate over night.
They are Amarrian in all but blood. More so than most freeborn of the Empire, I will bet. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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