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Andreus Ixiris Duty. 4659	Posted - 2014.05.21 15:20:00 - [151] - Quote Ayallah wrote: And Veik, you know that slaves cannot read. I imagine this makes life for the vast number of Sebiestor slaves employed as scribes and clerks in the Amarrian Civil Service even more difficult than it already is. Mane 614
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 3683	Posted - 2014.05.21 15:47:00 - [152] - Quote Ayallah wrote: You are doing that thing where you jump in others conversations and declare how right you are about something. If it was a private conversation, you'd be having it in a private comms channel. The IGS' status as a public discussion forum means that it's not "others' conversation" it's merely a conversation in which I have not yet ventured an opinion. In any case, it's not about my being right, it's about your being intellectually dishonest. I see bullsh, I call bullshi. Harden the frak up. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Ayallah SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 221	Posted - 2014.05.21 16:11:00 - [153] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Nonsense. Many are quite literate. Andreus Ixiris wrote: I imagine this makes life for the vast number of Sebiestor slaves employed as scribes and clerks in the Amarrian Civil Service even more difficult than it already is. Reading and writing sarcasm however, is much more difficult. Stitcher wrote: If it was a private conversation, you'd be having it in a private comms channel. The IGS' status as a public discussion forum means that it's not "others' conversation" it's merely a conversation in which I have not yet ventured an opinion. In any case, it's not about my being right, it's about your being intellectually dishonest. I see bullsh, I call bullshi. Harden the frak up. So you agree that by nature of being born into the position that all Kameiras are slaves? Because I cannot see any other point you are trying to defend unless it is the IGS free posting rights. -áFear The Tribes
Arnulf Ogunkoya Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance 53	Posted - 2014.05.21 22:22:00 - [154] - Quote Ayallah wrote: So you agree that by nature of being born into the position that all Kameiras are slaves? I have to admit that has always been my assumption. But If you believe otherwise I'm happy to read what you feel their status is. What I do understand them to be is fanatically loyal to the armed forces of the Empire. So I am a little surprised to know of at least three who are now capsuleers. And who don't fly in service of the Amarr. I'm sure all of you have your reasons. It just does mean you'll be rather rare specimens. Makes me wonder how many ex Vaklear capsuleers are out there. Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
Ayallah SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 225	Posted - 2014.05.22 01:04:00 - [155] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: I have to admit that has always been my assumption. But If you believe otherwise I'm happy to read what you feel their status is. What I do understand them to be is fanatically loyal to the armed forces of the Empire. So I am a little surprised to know of at least three who are now capsuleers. And who don't fly in service of the Amarr. I'm sure all of you have your reasons. It just does mean you'll be rather rare specimens. Makes me wonder how many ex Vaklear capsuleers are out there. I know of one. And for us? I know of five for sure maybe as many as seven. And you never stop flying in service to Amarr. -áFear The Tribes
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 3692	Posted - 2014.05.22 01:36:00 - [156] - Quote Ayallah wrote: So you agree that by nature of being born into the position that all Kameiras are slaves? I agree that all Kameiras are slaves: the factors that make them slaves involve more than simply having been born to it. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Ayallah SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 225	Posted - 2014.05.22 03:33:00 - [157] - Quote Stitcher wrote: I agree that all Kameiras are slaves: the factors that make them slaves involve more than simply having been born to it. The definition of "Slave" is not "Inherited a job." It is far far from 'a job.' We are not your tube born in that regard where we go find jobs. What we do have in common with them is not being slaves. -áFear The Tribes
Pieter Tuulinen Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 3658	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:09:00 - [158] - Quote To be fair, it's not necessarily the case that we're batched for a specific vocational endgoal. Many tubechildren are created from the material of two pre-chosen donors and then merely tweaked to remove any undesirable traits. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Jinari Otsito Otsito Mining and Manufacture 517	Posted - 2014.05.22 06:05:00 - [159] - Quote I distinctly remember a colourful military person of some sort - no idea what rank he had, your typical drill sergeant type - refer to his tubechild students as "recycled cow abortions stirred together in a bucket with a hole in it". The laughter from his... they call it platoons? I guess? The laughter was thunderous. I sometimes wonder just how little I understand of your upbringing, no matter how many of you I meet and talk to. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Pieter Tuulinen Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 3658	Posted - 2014.05.22 06:23:00 - [160] - Quote I... You know, it's tough to explain. The State is, in many respects, as animistic as the Matari Shamans and here we are, probably the least 'natural' human beings apart from the Jove and the True Slaves in the Cluster. Now, I've never been spat at and called an abomination in the State, but I'm sure that me and mine must make some people a little uncomfortable. The humour is just a way of coping with being different, I guess. It'll all change, for the worst I believe, as the Tubechild program moves out of serial batch production and becomes the province of the incredibly wealthy to engineer the perfect child successors. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."

Jinari Otsito Otsito Mining and Manufacture 517	Posted - 2014.05.22 06:54:00 - [161] - Quote For the worse, briefly. Then the tech will be widespread enough to weed out every known genetic disease and malady without sacrificing genetic variety, across entire populations and humanity at large will be better for it. That's often how it goes. Kuvakei's madness is another example. Taking genius technological advancement and doing the worst conceivable thing with it, yet give us time and we'll see a cluster-wide paradigm shift that'll launch humanity into an age we can't even conceive of. This has been the case with almost every significant advancement in technology from the moment someone figured out how to bang the rocks together. Obviously, you guys are still as exotic to me as we eggers are to dirtsiders. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 4043	Posted - 2014.05.22 09:28:09 - [162] - Quote I grew up with tube-born: The creche was full of them. I don't remember it ever being a source of tension or difference. Gestation is, after all, a much less formative experience (except in the literal, physical sense) than upbringing. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 1659	Posted - 2014.05.22 09:34:21 - [163] - Quote Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 786	Posted - 2014.05.22 09:37:19 - [164] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Please take derailing arguments to PMs or threads more dedicated to those subjects.
Arnulf Ogunkoya Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:51:04 - [165] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Please take derailing arguments to PMs or threads more dedicated to those subjects. The announcement was made. People responded to it in various ways. Now the discussion is evolving organically as good conversations tend to. Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar. [i][b]Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.[/b][/i]
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 683	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:14:22 - [166] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar. Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things. Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people.
Pieter Tuulinen In Exile. Imperial Outlaws. 4027	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:22:23 - [167] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar. Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things. Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people. You're not my supervisor. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Jinari Otsito Otsito Mining and Manufacture 775	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:29:06 - [168] - Quote Threaten him with a bucket and a stick. I'll bet there's some primal trauma there to exploit. In fact, I think I'm going to need a warehouse of these things. Might be able to make me an army if I find the right buttons to push. Oh wait, no. You did mention they're not Kameiras. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Kyllsa Siikanen Gradient 389	Posted - 2014.05.22 23:07:08 - [169] - Quote Aldrith! Your hair has such bounce! You must tell me your secrets! Also, grr, down with the Empire, all that. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á GÇò C.S. Lewis-á
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1344	Posted - 2014.05.23 03:37:03 - [170] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar. Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things. Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people. My bad!

Sofia Roseburn Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 155	Posted - 2014.05.23 07:29:30 - [171] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You're not my supervisor. Carry on. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier.
Arnulf Ogunkoya Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:57:38 - [172] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar. Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things. Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people. Yes that is a bit odd isn't it? I'm curious as to how, exactly, you are retraining elite shock troops for policing and garrison duties. Usually such troopers develop severe discipline issues if removed from the opportunity to be in harms way on a regular basis. Or so I have been led to understand. Still if it means Kamerias end up better socialised for mixing with civilians then it can't be a bad thing I suppose. [i][b]Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.[/b][/i]
Pieter Tuulinen In Exile. Imperial Outlaws. 4027	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:49:46 - [173] - Quote Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar. Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things. Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people. Yes that is a bit odd isn't it? I'm curious as to how, exactly, you are retraining elite shock troops for policing and garrison duties. Usually such troopers develop severe discipline issues if removed from the opportunity to be in harms way on a regular basis. Or so I have been led to understand. Still if it means Kamerias end up better socialised for mixing with civilians then it can't be a bad thing I suppose. This is a legitimate concern. Using shock troops in a garrison capacity is a great way to wind up with revolts in the streets, a pile of civilian bodies and severely morale-impaired shock troops. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Claudia Osyn The Scope Gallente Federation 975	Posted - 2014.05.23 21:38:11 - [174] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all. That's part of the problem with sociopaths, they never see themselves as one. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 3319	Posted - 2014.05.23 21:38:49 - [175] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all. I know, right? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 1659	Posted - 2014.05.24 09:22:24 - [176] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: Personally I've always wondered at some of the stereotypes that surround the progeny of the Tube Child program. That they all grow up to become cold, distant, emotionless types prone to violent sociopathic behaviour or ambitious and cynical scheming. As a tube child myself I can often feel offended, since I don't see myself as any of those things at all. That's part of the problem with sociopaths, they never see themselves as one. Well I'm certainly no psychologist so I really wouldn't know if I fit the criteria or not myself. I certainly feel rather happy and well-adjusted to my present infomorph condition. Then again if others might see me as a sociopath given my present work and the fact I don't tend to say, "Press like if you cry every time you destroy a spaceship," on the IGS, then that is something I do not think I can change nor have an interest to do so.
Raphael Ordo Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 105	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:28:56 - [177] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote: Also, messing with enemy communications is a fine old information warfare tradition. Last I checked the PIEmen were still the enemy of free Minmatar. Sure, except that it's the Caldari in this thread that are being the loudest about things. Kameiras and tube borns are not the same subject. Get it together people. Yes that is a bit odd isn't it? I'm curious as to how, exactly, you are retraining elite shock troops for policing and garrison duties. Usually such troopers develop severe discipline issues if removed from the opportunity to be in harms way on a regular basis. Or so I have been led to understand. Still if it means Kamerias end up better socialised for mixing with civilians then it can't be a bad thing I suppose. This is a legitimate concern. Using shock troops in a garrison capacity is a great way to wind up with revolts in the streets, a pile of civilian bodies and severely morale-impaired shock troops. The PIE ground forces, PCLAS, continue to supervise and attend as squad leaders for the Kameiras now under the Praetorian banner. This is to ensure their mental stability before we deploy them elsewhere. If you had read the first post by Captain Shutaq in this thread, you can see that the soldiers are trained and deployed within the Amarr-Minmatar warzone to secure and protect Amarrian cities and civilians. As we all know, the warzone is hardly a peaceful place at this hour. A number of them will also be on stand-by to be deployed in to conflict zones: Quote: PIE representatives will identify groups of Kameiras that are inappropriately utilized by other capsuleers, negotiate (as appropriate) for their release to PIE jurisdiction, and induct them directly into the allianceGÇÖs ground forces. Considering alliance involvement in the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act Amarr/Minmatar warzone, Kameira units that fall under the PIE banner shall be utilized to secure Amarrian civilian settlements and assets within the warzone and ensure they are protected from the growing threat of clone and conventional ground forces employed by the Tribal Liberation Force, their contractors and their associates. This will be achieved by deploying set numbers of Kamieras to conflict zones in order to act as special op supplement forces to baseliner military forces and to provide additional training to such forces. PIE Kameira forces will also be tasked with providing/distributing material aid to affected civilian populations and to directly protect said populations when they come under attack.
Ston Momaki Disciples of Ston 1382	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:16:30 - [178] - Quote A Full Division of 10,500 Kameiras have now joined the PIE re-deployment program from DSTON. After the first Regiment of 3500 joined some time back, preparations have been made and were completed this past week for the other two Regiments of 3500 each to join as well. Special thanks to Captain Scherezad for all her logistics and transportation assistance and to Captain Shutaq for keeping the process smooth and for providing this alternative for these individuals and groups. We appreciate the efforts being made to honor the dignity and values of the Kameiras. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 577	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:38:00 - [179] - Quote Thank you for all of your support for this program, Mr. Momaki.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 786	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:38:25 - [180] - Quote Thank you for all of your support for this program, Mr. Momaki. The same to everyone who has sent kameiras our way.



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