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Rafein
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:02:00 -
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Let's just lower it to one character per account, then it's no longer necessary for the screenshot.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Kassidus
My corp asked for a screen of my login screen to see if i had any pirate alts, my corp has a strict no pirate rule, you start allowing players with pirate alts its quick for your corp to loose respect etc etc. Its a fair request.
Wrong. What Baldour does, and what Azaria does, are completely irrelevant to each other. They are NOT THE SAME PERSON in-game. If Azaria isn't applying to join a corp, that corp has no valid reason to even know she exists; ditto Baldour.
To refer to an example given above; it's as if I apply for a job, and the company expect to see my brother's, uncle's and sister's employment records to make sure *I'm* honest. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the application.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kassidus
My corp asked for a screen of my login screen to see if i had any pirate alts, my corp has a strict no pirate rule, you start allowing players with pirate alts its quick for your corp to loose respect etc etc. Its a fair request.
Wrong. What Baldour does, and what Azaria does, are completely irrelevant to each other. They are NOT THE SAME PERSON in-game. If Azaria isn't applying to join a corp, that corp has no valid reason to even know she exists; ditto Baldour.
To refer to an example given above; it's as if I apply for a job, and the company expect to see my brother's, uncle's and sister's employment records to make sure *I'm* honest. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the application.
would knowledge gained one 1 char affect what you did on the other? If you gained knowledge that the corp your main is in was about to be raided by a corpthief via your alt in another corp. Would you use that knowledge to help your main? Its called conflict of interest and the other corp members in the corp you want to join deserve to know if its present. Dont like the policy? dont join the corp.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Dont like the policy? dont join the corp.
Or learn to use photoshop.
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Vergi
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:19:00 -
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Paranoia is an exceptionally good policy for corp management.
I wouldn't let anyone I didn't know into mine without screenshots and TS interview.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: SengH
Dont like the policy? dont join the corp.
Or learn to use photoshop.
Easy to tell just put the background against a difference layer overlay in photoshop. Since you have an original to work off of, you can tell which parts have been edited easily.
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Tamira Delores
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Wrong. What Baldour does, and what Azaria does, are completely irrelevant to each other. They are NOT THE SAME PERSON in-game. If Azaria isn't applying to join a corp, that corp has no valid reason to even know she exists; ditto Baldour.
To refer to an example given above; it's as if I apply for a job, and the company expect to see my brother's, uncle's and sister's employment records to make sure *I'm* honest. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the application.
that's probably the most faulty example i have ever read...
the other characters on your account, are your other masks... they are not your family.. they are you in other disguises... and with clean papers....
it's as if you decided you wanted an alternate identity in the real world, where you didn't have records of robbery, stealing and petty theft, so you could apply to harward, and steal their stuff later...
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akuma white
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Posted - 2006.05.07 11:06:00 -
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And this is why after 8+ months i still have not joined a corp.I just cant be bothered with all this paranoia and sh**.I fully intend to join one at some point but im still deciding what i wann do in the game and getting plenty of isk behind me.
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Solothores
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tanaka Atsuko
why not comply ? its not like they can take your login from you think of it as showing your ID when you buy beer
Quite simply? Because its a out of character request.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: ver'don
Just photoshop your login screeny to a point where only your portrait and name are real.
And imho, asking for a login screenshot instantly creates an atmosphere of distrust. I will never join an org. that asks me for a login screen, coz if they don't trust me, then why should I trust them.
I by default do not trust new applicants to my corporation, even after theyve shown their selection screen i still dont trust them, gaining trust takes time and effort. No corp thefts so far 
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Kornelia Shedim
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malwyn
What the hell is up with Corps wanting screenshots of your Login Screen?? I just got booted from my corp because I wouldn't comply with that request.
If you are not the Founder, CEO, or some sort of leader in the corp, then it is not, as you put it, "my corp". It is their corp, their rules, and their way.
Requiring a screenshot, interview, or other information is completely legit because you have no right whatsoever to membership in that corp. Membership is a privilege, and if you don't want to meet the requirements they have established then they can deny you the membership to "their" corp.
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Zytrel
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:36:00 -
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If a single screenshot is causing that much trouble, i'd advise any ceo to drop relations at once.
Just for the fact that with that attitude you won't be contributing anything.
regards,
zytrel.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:44:00 -
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Hmm. Dont forget to have fun, guys. This IS a game...
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:45:00 -
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I have trust issues myself. However, I would not ask for a login screen. Trust would just have to be earned. I dont ask for them because I would not give one. The only alt I have is another account anyway, so it would not matter, but besides that, they are two different characters. Its OOC, and if I were asked by a corp to provide a screenie of my login, I would not know what the hell they were talking about. Login? To Galnet maybe?
Thats just me though. Every CEO runs their corp differently.
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akuma white
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Hmm. Dont forget to have fun, guys. This IS a game...
My thoughts too.Like i said i will join a corp some time but i suppose if they ask for pics thats for them to decide i will just look for another corp.
And if it is to stop spies im sure they will get around the pic thing.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:01:00 -
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I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with providing a screenshot of their login screen. The only reason I can see for NOT giving the corp boss such a screenshot is if you're intending to rip the corp off, are a spy or have pirate alts when you're trying to join a non-pirate corp.
The corp I am in has suffered from corp thieves in the past, although (AFAIK) they've never managed to get away with much of great value, but it's a kick in the teeth for everyone else. Anything that people can do to protect against such theft is a good thing IMO.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: akuma white
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Hmm. Dont forget to have fun, guys. This IS a game...
My thoughts too.Like i said i will join a corp some time but i suppose if they ask for pics thats for them to decide i will just look for another corp.
And if it is to stop spies im sure they will get around the pic thing.
Yes, they probably will. I dont like the feeling of being distrusted either. Just because there are corp scammers around we all get to feel like suspects. Its not good for a positive work relationship...
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DaveW
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:21:00 -
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The Hell with the screenshots. I don't let anyone in my Corp that's not personally know by another member in real life.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:31:00 -
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I see no problem with this at all. Really, you aren't giving the CEO anything that would sacrifice your account's security.
He cannot see you account name. He has no access to CC numbers, address, RL names, or passwords with it. All the character screen shows is the 3 characters you have on your account.
If you don't wish for the CEO to view you main account's details (money, sec status, corp; half of which can be viewed in game), then swap to another char then take the screeny.
Drop this issue of trust. You have to trust someone to join their corp, dont you? They COULD just blow you up a million times when you join the corp, but yet you still joined it! It's the same way for the CEOs. Potention members COULD be alt thiefs/spys, so they have to assume the worst to keep the members of their corp and the corp assets safe.
If you dont agree with it, then fine, there is nothing wrong with it, and if there was something on the character selection screen that gave any personal information away, CCP would have stopped it.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:42:00 -
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If you got nothin to hide, you shouldn't have a problem with showing a SS.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:49:00 -
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If you have a problem with it don't do it. simple
I've never been asked to do it cuz I'm too cool 
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2006.05.07 14:18:00 -
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For a CEO or a half decent Security Chief, the Screen Shot request is ultimately a first step in establishing a small degree of security for the corporation.
Instead of complaining about the corporation and their request perhaps you ought to lament the overall reasons for this policy. It has become obvious over the years that some people enjoy playing an underhanded game and to rip off EVE corporations.
I am sure you have heard of GHSC and IstvaanÆs little experiments in social mechanics. I believe it has netted him and his corporation tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions.
Fact is, what GHSC does (and is famous for) is a legitimate tactic, the corporations, CEOs and Security Directors have taken the next logical step, and that is Screen Shoting every potential member, having application forms, elaborate questionnaires designed to trip you up, and have you slip some information out, small indicator if you are an ALT or a spy.
You should be lamenting that trust, if it ever existed in EVE, is gone.
Anyway, when people apply to my corporation I always ask for a screen shot of their login screen. Most understand and are happy to oblige, some are bewildered and I have to explain the reasons behind it. Some have refused and they never got accepted.
Fact is, I know my CEO personally for years now. He would trust me with anything and I would trust him with anything, any ISK any BPOs, anything at all. But, thatÆs where it stops, no one else beside him and myself will ever have access to anything sensitive in the ôSecureö hangar. And you know what? Most guys understand it and accept it. They know that perhaps some time down the road, once we really know each other it might change, till then it is an accepted reality.
Here are some mottos by which I lead my EVE life:
If you are not paranoid, then you are not paying attention.
Only the paranoid survive.
Nothing is what it seems.
EVE is very harsh to those who are not security conscious, and to those who are lax or too trusting.
If you are unhappy with the system, then try to look for a corporation that does not require a Screen Shot, or some other ways of establishing a trust, whatever it might be. But the situation will remain the same with Screen Shot requests, and it will never change.
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SoIid
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:26:00 -
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It is useless it just makes the corp asking for them like they have sort of power or something. The fact remains if you are a spy most likely you have several accounts anyway all one has to do is join the corp with a different account plain and simple dont even need to bother with photoshop. I can just make a account strictly for alts and it would have nothing to do with my main accounts I could have one character on the alt account and just use this to join a corp and scam all I want its worthless asking for screenshots it doesnt prevent anything believe me.
Never join a corp that you cant fit into your cargo hold anyway 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malwyn
What the hell is up with Corps wanting screenshots of your Login Screen?? I just got booted from my corp because I wouldn't comply with that request.
Hi, alts.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:41:00 -
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I'm in a new corp. And this is now part of our procedure.
If a corp asks you for this screen shot, it shows me that they are serious about their security. it means tha I don't have to worry about someone comeing in an cleaning out our corp.
When someone comes to your door at home saying they're from the gas company, and they're checking the gas lines, do you just let them in, or do you ask for ID?
The simple thing is, there is more then ample evidence to prove that there are hundreds if not thousands of people in this game willing to destroy your corp from the inside.
To me, a corp that DOESN"T ask for this, shows it's lack of true security. It shows me that it'll let anyone into the corp, spies, theives, anyone.
Ask for the screenshots.
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:47:00 -
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Truth is, these images can be faked anyway. Corps that require this are pretty strict imo, and you'll get the same treatment if you went to them or any other corp. its not like they'll automatically trust you and give you wallet access.
its a policy, but doesnt prove anything. spies can oly give out as much info as you post. screenshots prove nothing nowadays with alts and multiple accounts and trials.
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Obmud
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Aakron
Some people really must have a lot to hide if you get so up tight about such a trivial matter. I would happily comply at a moments notice, or more honestly I would just expect such a measure from any corp I was applying to even if I had a wealth of positive references or knew the guys in real life.
Being in a corp with active real members who are there to committ themselves fully to the corp, and not full of the alt play toys of bored main characters, is probably the most important thing.
I can understand his point. This logic is used by Bush too... "if you have nothing to hide, why do you object to being monitored by us?".
Bush is an idiot, still this comparing is just wrong, It's not that you are soul stripteasing with this login screen. It's not like some1 is checking your phonecalls and whatnot. You're not giving any personal data out like that. Still it provides a basic level of security for the corp. Low Effort, big outcome. Fair deal i'd say. I'd sure ask for it as CEO.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/05/2006 12:27:38
Originally by: ver'don
Just photoshop your login screeny to a point where only your portrait and name are real.
And imho, asking for a login screenshot instantly creates an atmosphere of distrust. I will never join an org. that asks me for a login screen, coz if they don't trust me, then why should I trust them.
I by default do not trust new applicants to my corporation, even after theyve shown their selection screen i still dont trust them, gaining trust takes time and effort. No corp thefts so far
So if I apply to Coreli I can't have full access from day 1?
what about day 2?
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anister
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:52:00 -
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Screenshots of login screens are nothing.
We ask our unknown prospective members for wallet screenshots with transactions shown, results of a windows prompt detailing all EVE Installations, Extensive check of employment history and corp business as well as other measures.
If you can't provide that then a) we don't trust you and b) we don't want you.
Harsh maybe, bothered? not really.
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/05/2006 12:27:38
Originally by: ver'don
Just photoshop your login screeny to a point where only your portrait and name are real.
And imho, asking for a login screenshot instantly creates an atmosphere of distrust. I will never join an org. that asks me for a login screen, coz if they don't trust me, then why should I trust them.
I by default do not trust new applicants to my corporation, even after theyve shown their selection screen i still dont trust them, gaining trust takes time and effort. No corp thefts so far
So if I apply to Coreli I can't have full access from day 1?
what about day 2?
I agree... it shows lots of distrust. I'll only show my screenshot if those asking post me theirs... fair enough. And ofcourse you wont get full access... like our corp, its a 2 week minium before joining, and a 2 week trial with no access... then you get basic access whether or not you have been active enough. if you are worried about spies, you worry too much.
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