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Malwyn
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:11:00 -
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What the hell is up with Corps wanting screenshots of your Login Screen?? I just got booted from my corp because I wouldn't comply with that request.
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:12:00 -
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Probably because they want to know who your alts are.
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Tanaka Atsuko
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:17:00 -
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why not comply ? its not like they can take your login from you think of it as showing your ID when you buy beer
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Malwyn
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:18:00 -
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Why not? Because in all the years I've been playing online, I've never seen, nor heard of, an honorable reason for asking for such a thing.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:38:00 -
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Like you where told earlier, so they know who your alts are, and less likley you are a spy. Doesent stop people who have multiple acounts obviously, but makes it less likley you are a spy toon.
Thats honorable, and its not an unusual request... i have been asking people for that as long as i can remember.
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Silenne Otsaku
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:38:00 -
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it's simple ... if Seleene show his login screen , ytou will see Count Ta. and DB Preacher char ... and you will immediatly find the conspiracy !!
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Triscuit
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:48:00 -
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I know people do this, I think it's stupid and crap policy. I'd never join a corp that makes you do this. But hey what do I know (not much).
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:51:00 -
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Because security in a game riddled with spies, scammers, and corp theifs (both their generic and GHSC mastermind forms) is paramount and if your not willing do to it your pretty much labeling yourself as a possible spy or worse.
I see no problem with this, as a CEO I'd sure as hell ask for it.
I don't have a sig :(
but i do have a video
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Kassidus
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:56:00 -
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My corp asked for a screen of my login screen to see if i had any pirate alts, my corp has a strict no pirate rule, you start allowing players with pirate alts its quick for your corp to loose respect etc etc. Its a fair request.
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Gerome Doutrande
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Posted - 2006.05.07 06:59:00 -
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The "honorable reason" is that by asking for a screenshot you try to protect your corp from "dishonorable new members".
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Triscuit
I know people do this, I think it's stupid and crap policy. I'd never join a corp that makes you do this. But hey what do I know (not much).
So you are saying you would rather join a corp thats badly managed and has crap security? one thats got a greater chance of having spies in it and sleeper thieves etc?
hmmm.. ok. 
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ver'don
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:08:00 -
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Just photoshop your login screeny to a point where only your portrait and name are real.
And imho, asking for a login screenshot instantly creates an atmosphere of distrust. I will never join an org. that asks me for a login screen, coz if they don't trust me, then why should I trust them.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 07/05/2006 07:26:19
When i applied for my job, i had to show proof of address, proof of ID, proof of nationality, sign more paperwork than i did for my last mortgage, and undergo extensive background checks.
Doesent mean i dont trust my boss...
if you dont get why people ask for this, then you deserve falling victim to such an undesirable, and maybe then after falling victim to it, you might start thinking of ways to ensure you dont suffer it again. If you dont, and carry on as before, then you really DO deserve all you get.
And.. photoshop that screen if you like, and using the same program, i and anyone else who has a clue, can usually tell if you have altered it or not.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:26:00 -
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Makes no sense to request this, given that you can edit the screenshot in Photoshop so that it looks you only have the one character, for example.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:27:00 -
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Read what i said above, and go ahead do it and post a link here to your image.
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Draquin
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:40:00 -
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Eh I can have a fake screenshot in about 5 min and that does not even cover my other X accounts that I will have just to be a spy for other corps if I was a spy in the first play
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Benco97
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:41:00 -
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i'd rather join a corp that wasn't so serious and was fun. I've been playing since release and I recently left some things because some people's seriousness was choking all the fun out of the GAME
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:46:00 -
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Quote:
i'd rather join a corp that wasn't so serious and was fun. I've been playing since release and I recently left some things because some people's seriousness was choking all the fun out of the GAME
Do you know what also chokes all the fun out of the game? Getting your corp destroyed by an alt thief.
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Benco97
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Sabriel
Do you know what also chokes all the fun out of the game? Getting your corp destroyed by an alt thief.
A long time ago I had the displeasure of the corp being ripped off by a corp theif.
It was more fun than having someone halfway across the world telling me what I can and can't do.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/05/2006 07:53:12
Originally by: Benco97
Originally by: Lady Sabriel
Do you know what also chokes all the fun out of the game? Getting your corp destroyed by an alt thief.
A long time ago I had the displeasure of the corp being ripped off by a corp theif.
It was more fun than having someone halfway across the world telling me what I can and can't do.
If you are in that kind of corporation, you may want to look at some of the other ones in the game. Seriously, if i felt that being in a corporation was like a daytime job, i would not bother with them. This game is about having fun and doing what you want to do in it, not what they want to do in it.
When what the corp want and you want is the same, you have found a good corp for you.
And about screenshots... this is because of fear of corp scammers, yes. Im not sure how easy it is to fake a screenshot that looks real even when you examine the pixels at very close range.
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Benco97
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Posted - 2006.05.07 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
This game is about having fun and doing what you want to do in it
This man knows the truth, Thank you.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
Originally by: Jim McGregor
This game is about having fun and doing what you want to do in it
This man knows the truth, Thank you.
Well, ive made the mistake of staying with a corp i didnt like before, and i regret it alot these days. I could have stayed in eve and been a 3 year old character now. 
Anyways, i will try to make a fake login screenshot. Then i will post pictures of both the real one and the fake one and see who can spot the fake. Ill do this tonight, i need to delete some characters first and it will take 10 hours. 
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.07 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 07/05/2006 08:09:37
you wouldnt have ten hours in game....
anyway, zooming in isnt the best way, though it will oft spot a forgery, not always.
/me points at the filter menu
And Benco, if thats what you want to do with the game, thats cool. Thats why the game allows for freelancers, which is what you just described. Dont want to do what your corp does and just want to sit in empire mining veld, go for it. knock yerself out.
Which is also why you wont ever take part in proper fleet combat, take over territory, blow up a POS, build your own POS, etc etc... yknow, the REAL fun content in the game.
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Mind
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Posted - 2006.05.07 08:09:00 -
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Tbh, taking a shot of you charscreen is not enought, if you wanna make sure you want to make screenshots of transactions screen (more specific isk transfers to other chars and isk transfers over trades, that way they se if you transfer alot of isk to other "alts" on other accounts)..
this is good, cuz you dont want a corp to not care about such things. And the next time you are at a mining op with corpfriends, his 5 secret alts comes in and *****you, or steal whatever is left in the corp hangar.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mind
Tbh, taking a shot of you charscreen is not enought, if you wanna make sure you want to make screenshots of transactions screen (more specific isk transfers to other chars and isk transfers over trades, that way they se if you transfer alot of isk to other "alts" on other accounts)..
this is good, cuz you dont want a corp to not care about such things. And the next time you are at a mining op with corpfriends, his 5 secret alts comes in and *****you, or steal whatever is left in the corp hangar.
That screen would possibly be easier to edit than the login screen. Just copy some rows from previous dates (in photoshop) and paste over the lines you dont want to show.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.05.07 09:06:00 -
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I am with the people who say its unreasonable.
you'll never catch me in a corp that requires such a thing to join at all.
now, to after a while be promoted... like when you get a job, "assuming the drug test comes back fine, you've got a job" I don't expect to have direct acess to jack right off. if after I've been around a while, those who say so, feel like promoting me, then I'd MAYBE consider it. I'd happily share my trained characters, but it'd take some real convincing to give a screenshot like that.
and if I got the suspicion it was authentically not trusting me, rather than being a formality for show... I'd either have to be getting some SERIOUS benefits for going along with it... or I'd be out.
oh, and under no circumstances would the amount of money I have be shown, and no screenshots of my personal assets. not a chance. period. if theres any reason for it to be known like that I would volunteer it on my own.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.05.07 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
I am with the people who say its unreasonable.
you'll never catch me in a corp that requires such a thing to join at all.
now, to after a while be promoted... like when you get a job, "assuming the drug test comes back fine, you've got a job" I don't expect to have direct acess to jack right off. if after I've been around a while, those who say so, feel like promoting me, then I'd MAYBE consider it. I'd happily share my trained characters, but it'd take some real convincing to give a screenshot like that.
and if I got the suspicion it was authentically not trusting me, rather than being a formality for show... I'd either have to be getting some SERIOUS benefits for going along with it... or I'd be out.
oh, and under no circumstances would the amount of money I have be shown, and no screenshots of my personal assets. not a chance. period. if theres any reason for it to be known like that I would volunteer it on my own.
you wouldn't share anything. A persons account infomation and password are not shown in the login screen. The one and only purpose is to show who your alts are if you have any.
I don't have a sig :(
but i do have a video
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Time Killer
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Posted - 2006.05.07 09:15:00 -
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If you don't like the way the corp operates then you're in the wrong corp. If there has been a theft because someone is a 2-faced lying git and *you* are the only one refusing to help with the security checks - that's going to look pretty suss eh? Corps who aren't careful with who they let in get ripped off. Simple as that. Smart corps take measures to stop that.
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Aakron
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Posted - 2006.05.07 09:19:00 -
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Some people really must have a lot to hide if you get so up tight about such a trivial matter. I would happily comply at a moments notice, or more honestly I would just expect such a measure from any corp I was applying to even if I had a wealth of positive references or knew the guys in real life.
Being in a corp with active real members who are there to committ themselves fully to the corp, and not full of the alt play toys of bored main characters, is probably the most important thing.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aakron
Some people really must have a lot to hide if you get so up tight about such a trivial matter. I would happily comply at a moments notice, or more honestly I would just expect such a measure from any corp I was applying to even if I had a wealth of positive references or knew the guys in real life.
Being in a corp with active real members who are there to committ themselves fully to the corp, and not full of the alt play toys of bored main characters, is probably the most important thing.
I can understand his point. This logic is used by Bush too... "if you have nothing to hide, why do you object to being monitored by us?".
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Rafein
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:02:00 -
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Let's just lower it to one character per account, then it's no longer necessary for the screenshot.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus
My corp asked for a screen of my login screen to see if i had any pirate alts, my corp has a strict no pirate rule, you start allowing players with pirate alts its quick for your corp to loose respect etc etc. Its a fair request.
Wrong. What Baldour does, and what Azaria does, are completely irrelevant to each other. They are NOT THE SAME PERSON in-game. If Azaria isn't applying to join a corp, that corp has no valid reason to even know she exists; ditto Baldour.
To refer to an example given above; it's as if I apply for a job, and the company expect to see my brother's, uncle's and sister's employment records to make sure *I'm* honest. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the application.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kassidus
My corp asked for a screen of my login screen to see if i had any pirate alts, my corp has a strict no pirate rule, you start allowing players with pirate alts its quick for your corp to loose respect etc etc. Its a fair request.
Wrong. What Baldour does, and what Azaria does, are completely irrelevant to each other. They are NOT THE SAME PERSON in-game. If Azaria isn't applying to join a corp, that corp has no valid reason to even know she exists; ditto Baldour.
To refer to an example given above; it's as if I apply for a job, and the company expect to see my brother's, uncle's and sister's employment records to make sure *I'm* honest. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the application.
would knowledge gained one 1 char affect what you did on the other? If you gained knowledge that the corp your main is in was about to be raided by a corpthief via your alt in another corp. Would you use that knowledge to help your main? Its called conflict of interest and the other corp members in the corp you want to join deserve to know if its present. Dont like the policy? dont join the corp.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Dont like the policy? dont join the corp.
Or learn to use photoshop.
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Vergi
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:19:00 -
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Paranoia is an exceptionally good policy for corp management.
I wouldn't let anyone I didn't know into mine without screenshots and TS interview.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: SengH
Dont like the policy? dont join the corp.
Or learn to use photoshop.
Easy to tell just put the background against a difference layer overlay in photoshop. Since you have an original to work off of, you can tell which parts have been edited easily.
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Tamira Delores
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Posted - 2006.05.07 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Wrong. What Baldour does, and what Azaria does, are completely irrelevant to each other. They are NOT THE SAME PERSON in-game. If Azaria isn't applying to join a corp, that corp has no valid reason to even know she exists; ditto Baldour.
To refer to an example given above; it's as if I apply for a job, and the company expect to see my brother's, uncle's and sister's employment records to make sure *I'm* honest. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the application.
that's probably the most faulty example i have ever read...
the other characters on your account, are your other masks... they are not your family.. they are you in other disguises... and with clean papers....
it's as if you decided you wanted an alternate identity in the real world, where you didn't have records of robbery, stealing and petty theft, so you could apply to harward, and steal their stuff later...
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akuma white
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Posted - 2006.05.07 11:06:00 -
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And this is why after 8+ months i still have not joined a corp.I just cant be bothered with all this paranoia and sh**.I fully intend to join one at some point but im still deciding what i wann do in the game and getting plenty of isk behind me.
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Solothores
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tanaka Atsuko
why not comply ? its not like they can take your login from you think of it as showing your ID when you buy beer
Quite simply? Because its a out of character request.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: ver'don
Just photoshop your login screeny to a point where only your portrait and name are real.
And imho, asking for a login screenshot instantly creates an atmosphere of distrust. I will never join an org. that asks me for a login screen, coz if they don't trust me, then why should I trust them.
I by default do not trust new applicants to my corporation, even after theyve shown their selection screen i still dont trust them, gaining trust takes time and effort. No corp thefts so far
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Kornelia Shedim
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malwyn
What the hell is up with Corps wanting screenshots of your Login Screen?? I just got booted from my corp because I wouldn't comply with that request.
If you are not the Founder, CEO, or some sort of leader in the corp, then it is not, as you put it, "my corp". It is their corp, their rules, and their way.
Requiring a screenshot, interview, or other information is completely legit because you have no right whatsoever to membership in that corp. Membership is a privilege, and if you don't want to meet the requirements they have established then they can deny you the membership to "their" corp.
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Zytrel
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:36:00 -
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If a single screenshot is causing that much trouble, i'd advise any ceo to drop relations at once.
Just for the fact that with that attitude you won't be contributing anything.
regards,
zytrel.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:44:00 -
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Hmm. Dont forget to have fun, guys. This IS a game...
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:45:00 -
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I have trust issues myself. However, I would not ask for a login screen. Trust would just have to be earned. I dont ask for them because I would not give one. The only alt I have is another account anyway, so it would not matter, but besides that, they are two different characters. Its OOC, and if I were asked by a corp to provide a screenie of my login, I would not know what the hell they were talking about. Login? To Galnet maybe?
Thats just me though. Every CEO runs their corp differently.
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akuma white
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Posted - 2006.05.07 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Hmm. Dont forget to have fun, guys. This IS a game...
My thoughts too.Like i said i will join a corp some time but i suppose if they ask for pics thats for them to decide i will just look for another corp.
And if it is to stop spies im sure they will get around the pic thing.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:01:00 -
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I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with providing a screenshot of their login screen. The only reason I can see for NOT giving the corp boss such a screenshot is if you're intending to rip the corp off, are a spy or have pirate alts when you're trying to join a non-pirate corp.
The corp I am in has suffered from corp thieves in the past, although (AFAIK) they've never managed to get away with much of great value, but it's a kick in the teeth for everyone else. Anything that people can do to protect against such theft is a good thing IMO.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: akuma white
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Hmm. Dont forget to have fun, guys. This IS a game...
My thoughts too.Like i said i will join a corp some time but i suppose if they ask for pics thats for them to decide i will just look for another corp.
And if it is to stop spies im sure they will get around the pic thing.
Yes, they probably will. I dont like the feeling of being distrusted either. Just because there are corp scammers around we all get to feel like suspects. Its not good for a positive work relationship...
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DaveW
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:21:00 -
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The Hell with the screenshots. I don't let anyone in my Corp that's not personally know by another member in real life.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:31:00 -
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I see no problem with this at all. Really, you aren't giving the CEO anything that would sacrifice your account's security.
He cannot see you account name. He has no access to CC numbers, address, RL names, or passwords with it. All the character screen shows is the 3 characters you have on your account.
If you don't wish for the CEO to view you main account's details (money, sec status, corp; half of which can be viewed in game), then swap to another char then take the screeny.
Drop this issue of trust. You have to trust someone to join their corp, dont you? They COULD just blow you up a million times when you join the corp, but yet you still joined it! It's the same way for the CEOs. Potention members COULD be alt thiefs/spys, so they have to assume the worst to keep the members of their corp and the corp assets safe.
If you dont agree with it, then fine, there is nothing wrong with it, and if there was something on the character selection screen that gave any personal information away, CCP would have stopped it.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:42:00 -
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If you got nothin to hide, you shouldn't have a problem with showing a SS.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.05.07 13:49:00 -
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If you have a problem with it don't do it. simple
I've never been asked to do it cuz I'm too cool 
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2006.05.07 14:18:00 -
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For a CEO or a half decent Security Chief, the Screen Shot request is ultimately a first step in establishing a small degree of security for the corporation.
Instead of complaining about the corporation and their request perhaps you ought to lament the overall reasons for this policy. It has become obvious over the years that some people enjoy playing an underhanded game and to rip off EVE corporations.
I am sure you have heard of GHSC and IstvaanÆs little experiments in social mechanics. I believe it has netted him and his corporation tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions.
Fact is, what GHSC does (and is famous for) is a legitimate tactic, the corporations, CEOs and Security Directors have taken the next logical step, and that is Screen Shoting every potential member, having application forms, elaborate questionnaires designed to trip you up, and have you slip some information out, small indicator if you are an ALT or a spy.
You should be lamenting that trust, if it ever existed in EVE, is gone.
Anyway, when people apply to my corporation I always ask for a screen shot of their login screen. Most understand and are happy to oblige, some are bewildered and I have to explain the reasons behind it. Some have refused and they never got accepted.
Fact is, I know my CEO personally for years now. He would trust me with anything and I would trust him with anything, any ISK any BPOs, anything at all. But, thatÆs where it stops, no one else beside him and myself will ever have access to anything sensitive in the ôSecureö hangar. And you know what? Most guys understand it and accept it. They know that perhaps some time down the road, once we really know each other it might change, till then it is an accepted reality.
Here are some mottos by which I lead my EVE life:
If you are not paranoid, then you are not paying attention.
Only the paranoid survive.
Nothing is what it seems.
EVE is very harsh to those who are not security conscious, and to those who are lax or too trusting.
If you are unhappy with the system, then try to look for a corporation that does not require a Screen Shot, or some other ways of establishing a trust, whatever it might be. But the situation will remain the same with Screen Shot requests, and it will never change.
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SoIid
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:26:00 -
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It is useless it just makes the corp asking for them like they have sort of power or something. The fact remains if you are a spy most likely you have several accounts anyway all one has to do is join the corp with a different account plain and simple dont even need to bother with photoshop. I can just make a account strictly for alts and it would have nothing to do with my main accounts I could have one character on the alt account and just use this to join a corp and scam all I want its worthless asking for screenshots it doesnt prevent anything believe me.
Never join a corp that you cant fit into your cargo hold anyway 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malwyn
What the hell is up with Corps wanting screenshots of your Login Screen?? I just got booted from my corp because I wouldn't comply with that request.
Hi, alts.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:41:00 -
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I'm in a new corp. And this is now part of our procedure.
If a corp asks you for this screen shot, it shows me that they are serious about their security. it means tha I don't have to worry about someone comeing in an cleaning out our corp.
When someone comes to your door at home saying they're from the gas company, and they're checking the gas lines, do you just let them in, or do you ask for ID?
The simple thing is, there is more then ample evidence to prove that there are hundreds if not thousands of people in this game willing to destroy your corp from the inside.
To me, a corp that DOESN"T ask for this, shows it's lack of true security. It shows me that it'll let anyone into the corp, spies, theives, anyone.
Ask for the screenshots.
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:47:00 -
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Truth is, these images can be faked anyway. Corps that require this are pretty strict imo, and you'll get the same treatment if you went to them or any other corp. its not like they'll automatically trust you and give you wallet access.
its a policy, but doesnt prove anything. spies can oly give out as much info as you post. screenshots prove nothing nowadays with alts and multiple accounts and trials.
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Obmud
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Aakron
Some people really must have a lot to hide if you get so up tight about such a trivial matter. I would happily comply at a moments notice, or more honestly I would just expect such a measure from any corp I was applying to even if I had a wealth of positive references or knew the guys in real life.
Being in a corp with active real members who are there to committ themselves fully to the corp, and not full of the alt play toys of bored main characters, is probably the most important thing.
I can understand his point. This logic is used by Bush too... "if you have nothing to hide, why do you object to being monitored by us?".
Bush is an idiot, still this comparing is just wrong, It's not that you are soul stripteasing with this login screen. It's not like some1 is checking your phonecalls and whatnot. You're not giving any personal data out like that. Still it provides a basic level of security for the corp. Low Effort, big outcome. Fair deal i'd say. I'd sure ask for it as CEO.
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/05/2006 12:27:38
Originally by: ver'don
Just photoshop your login screeny to a point where only your portrait and name are real.
And imho, asking for a login screenshot instantly creates an atmosphere of distrust. I will never join an org. that asks me for a login screen, coz if they don't trust me, then why should I trust them.
I by default do not trust new applicants to my corporation, even after theyve shown their selection screen i still dont trust them, gaining trust takes time and effort. No corp thefts so far
So if I apply to Coreli I can't have full access from day 1?
what about day 2?
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anister
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:52:00 -
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Screenshots of login screens are nothing.
We ask our unknown prospective members for wallet screenshots with transactions shown, results of a windows prompt detailing all EVE Installations, Extensive check of employment history and corp business as well as other measures.
If you can't provide that then a) we don't trust you and b) we don't want you.
Harsh maybe, bothered? not really.
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/05/2006 12:27:38
Originally by: ver'don
Just photoshop your login screeny to a point where only your portrait and name are real.
And imho, asking for a login screenshot instantly creates an atmosphere of distrust. I will never join an org. that asks me for a login screen, coz if they don't trust me, then why should I trust them.
I by default do not trust new applicants to my corporation, even after theyve shown their selection screen i still dont trust them, gaining trust takes time and effort. No corp thefts so far
So if I apply to Coreli I can't have full access from day 1?
what about day 2?
I agree... it shows lots of distrust. I'll only show my screenshot if those asking post me theirs... fair enough. And ofcourse you wont get full access... like our corp, its a 2 week minium before joining, and a 2 week trial with no access... then you get basic access whether or not you have been active enough. if you are worried about spies, you worry too much.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.05.07 15:57:00 -
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I think its a nonsense request since it gives people a false sense of security, if you really have a person who wants to steal or spy, he will have a 2nd account.
At the same time people with only 1 account who do not want to disclose their alts are at a disadvantage.
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.05.07 16:00:00 -
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Eve is not candyland where everyone dances with eachother under the rainbow happily ever after.. hell, eve is worse than real life. If you dont like to be checked, then dont do it, but it makes perfect sense if you realise that some people put many many hours in making their corp. Do you tell your employer you dont want to show him some ID, or do you show him a fake one? Please..
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Posted - 2006.05.07 16:06:00 -
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Since the option to have several accounts exists, you will not be safe taking these measures. They are useless. Any real spy will have several accounts, since spies arent usually stupid.
He will of course never transfer cash back and forth using the wallet. He could put stuff in a can somewhere and go get it later. There are many, many ways to get assets to someone without leaving a trace.
I understand that the big corporations want to be as safe as possible, so by all means, use the screenshots and whatever. But you will not catch the real spies.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.05.07 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
I think its a nonsense request since it gives people a false sense of security, if you really have a person who wants to steal or spy, he will have a 2nd account.
At the same time people with only 1 account who do not want to disclose their alts are at a disadvantage.
If someone truely wants to rob a corporation he can do it with one account just as easiliy. This requirement however does keep away the weekend thiefs that join your corp with an alt, then just ride along in the background untill they bump into something expensive to steal. This requirement keeps these guys out since theyre willing to put in too much of an effort.
That and knowing which alts our members have is handy
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.05.07 16:29:00 -
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MMORPGS turn into cash cows because they encourage interpersonal relationships that keep people playing the game much longer than they would have otherwise. Eve, on the other hand, encourages antisocial behavior like theft and scams.
The mistrust and paranoia really gets old after a while. I have no doubt that it adversely affects subscriber retention.
I'll give a screenshot to a corp I want to join. But it's as useless as 99.99999% of the security screening done at airports...all it does is irritate the innocent and make the real scumbags laugh at how easy it is to circumvent.
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Posted - 2006.05.07 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 07/05/2006 17:22:09
Originally by: Benco97
i'd rather join a corp that wasn't so serious and was fun. I've been playing since release and I recently left some things because some people's seriousness was choking all the fun out of the GAME
Pretty much exactly what i think.
You know, this guy started asking me about the me, the corp and whatnot... it took less than a minute for somebody to pipe up.... he's probaly an alt...
It is a game, but too many people take it at win at all costs, that makes it crap at times.
A ring of paranoia, thankfully there's an opt out option.
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Skaz
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Posted - 2006.05.07 17:23:00 -
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It's a valid security procedure, and if I were to join a corp I would comply, but one has to wonder if it really is all that effective as an security check. The scammers we all love to hate have already shown considerable ambition in their trade and an uncanny ability to adapt.
They will find a way and it seems a bit simple, a second account.
But on the other hand the small time con artists will definately be rooted out by this check as they normally won't have a second account.
But those who really are out to con you and are ready to ANYTHING...well we can't stop them because they will find a way.
But this method will make their work a bit more complicated...
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Posted - 2006.05.07 17:24:00 -
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If you have good common sense you won't have a problem with alt corp thiefs. If you're corp gets looted thats your damn fault. Just like if you get a virus on your computer that is YOUR fault.
Screenshots of login aren't going to proove anything.
Privacy does not correlate to wrong doing. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably voted for Bush.
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Posted - 2006.05.07 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 07/05/2006 17:26:54
Do you people show your bank statements? If you do, by all means. If you dont, find a different corp. Dont make things harder than it should.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.05.07 17:30:00 -
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you wouldn't share anything. A persons account infomation and password are not shown in the login screen. The one and only purpose is to show who your alts are if you have any.
exactly. and IMO thats pretty much an invasion of privacy, and s sign of entire distrust that I would not tolerate. I wouldn't expect to be trusted with lots of acess right off, or anything like that. thats silly.
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Some people really must have a lot to hide if you get so up tight about such a trivial matter. I would happily comply at a moments notice, or more honestly I would just expect such a measure from any corp I was applying to even if I had a wealth of positive references or knew the guys in real life.
Being in a corp with active real members who are there to committ themselves fully to the corp, and not full of the alt play toys of bored main characters, is probably the most important thing.
its called privacy. and trust. you will *NEVER* be able to 100% prevent things where someone gets high in the corporation over a long slow period of time and then backstabs you. *EVER*. it is ABSOLUTELY impossible.
now, for new characters to get more than trivial acess... eh, maybe. but why are new people being given such acess to begin with?
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To refer to an example given above; it's as if I apply for a job, and the company expect to see my brother's, uncle's and sister's employment records to make sure *I'm* honest. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the application.
I wouldn't go *THAT* far either. you are one player.
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If a single screenshot is causing that much trouble, i'd advise any ceo to drop relations at once.
Just for the fact that with that attitude you won't be contributing anything.
you work for department of homeland security or something? to put it simply thats silly. I will *not* be a slave of the corp. my alts, my personal wealth and assets are my business. its simple as that. no reason to comply with such an absurd request.
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I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with providing a screenshot of their login screen. The only reason I can see for NOT giving the corp boss such a screenshot is if you're intending to rip the corp off, are a spy or have pirate alts when you're trying to join a non-pirate corp.
man.. didn't know how many people who worked for, or were ok with DHS played EVE. creepy.
seriously though. I can see it as being a reasonable formality for "high level" acess. but not just to be in the corp at all.
>>"We ask our unknown prospective members for wallet screenshots with transactions shown, results of a windows prompt detailing all EVE Installations, Extensive check of employment history and corp business as well as other measures.
If you can't provide that then a) we don't trust you and b) we don't want you."
if you NEED that I don't trust *YOU* and I don't want your corp.
Interrogating past-CEO's and corp members, or wanting references, that is all fine. hell I'd even go as far as MAYBE giving up a fully-collapsed assets window. but beyond that, details? not a chance.
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hilaw
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Posted - 2006.05.07 17:56:00 -
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I hate to say this but i can fake a login screen very simply. Anyone who realy wants to get in will. The most foolproof method ive seen uses windows media encoder, but there are ways around that too sadly
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Kordesh
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Posted - 2006.05.07 20:41:00 -
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I understand the whole "to make sure you're not a spy" thing, but thinking about it, it's a bit silly. Any good spy would be smart enough to photoshop their alts out before sending in the pic =p
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Posted - 2006.05.07 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 07/05/2006 22:56:41
This really ****es me off. It's like people complaining about the ID cards that ARE comming in the UK. The only people who have anything to fear are those that have something to hide.
The whine about it not being effective (photoshoping the login screen and forging the support documents to get the ID card) should sthu. Yes, it's not fool proof. Nothing never is. It just makes it more difficult for people who have... less than pure intensions from achieving their goals.
Like chip and pin - people whined and whined and whined about this, saying it won't cut fraud. Over night, over the counter fraud dropped to 0.1%. Yes, customer nor present fraud went up but the overall fraud level DID drop. It's not a perfect solution (dodgy postman, identity theft etc etc etc). It just helps throw a spanner.
P.S
And the people who are "STFU, this is BS I'm never gonna join a corp that makes me do this!!!!!111111111111111!!!2one" you are officially banned from ever whining about corp theft and spies again. ok?
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Adrian Kerensky
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Posted - 2006.05.07 23:00:00 -
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Not that hard to fake tbh. I faked a login screen I was asked for once to infiltrate a corp and then blow up one of their mining opps. Amused the hell out of me.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.05.07 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
The only people who have anything to fear are those that have something to hide.
Glad you feel that way and as one last security check I need to examine your daughter's underwear drawer.
Sorry, dude, but people with nothing to hide are dead.
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Daimos Bellurdan
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Posted - 2006.05.07 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Daimos Bellurdan on 07/05/2006 23:44:38
If someone has more than one account it is no problem at all for a spy to get into a corp.
For a spy with one account it is not possible.
There is one thing you cannot fake: The data in the eve database. You need three screenshots from the new member: 3xLoginscreen with every character slot activated. This way you see how long each char/alt has been in his current corp. If a slot is empty he just creates a new char. You then check in eve if the char exists or if the dates are correct.
Edit: Ok, I came up with an idea to fake this too. I take everything back ;)
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JForce
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Posted - 2006.05.07 23:47:00 -
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Trust is earned in Eve. Those who give it too easily often live to regret it.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:47:00 -
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ugh. that whole "only ones with someting to fear are those that have something to hide" is disgusting and nonsense.
did you know thanks to the patriot act, a bank can pretty much arbitrarily prevent a person from starting a new account at any "normal" bank(in the US), for like 5 years, and theres *ABSOLUTELY* nothing that person can do about it?
seriously, while it has nothing to do with this,lol, the "nothing to hide" thing is full of it.
such a thing would be fakeable, and provide nothing but alienation.
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Trust is earned in Eve. Those who give it too easily often live to regret it.
exactly. but if all it takes to earn your trust is a few fakable screen shots.... rather than actions over time... meh.
it'd be fun to use one of my alt accounts/characters to see how far... submitting to their invasive nonsense. then clear it out, then say "see how much of a waste all that nonsense was?" ... well, of course I couldn't help but give it all back after getting the point across. what'd be even funnier is if it could be done, then act innocent and see if it could be done without anyone even being able to nail down who did it... lol, then maybe with a separate account that just joined, give it back, >_< lol, that'd be some funny crap.
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Valium Summer
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Posted - 2006.05.08 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Aakron
Some people really must have a lot to hide if you get so up tight about such a trivial matter. I would happily comply at a moments notice, or more honestly I would just expect such a measure from any corp I was applying to even if I had a wealth of positive references or knew the guys in real life.
Being in a corp with active real members who are there to committ themselves fully to the corp, and not full of the alt play toys of bored main characters, is probably the most important thing.
I can understand his point. This logic is used by Bush too... "if you have nothing to hide, why do you object to being monitored by us?".
I'm definately no bush fan. But comparing the pre-war monitoring of Iraq by the United Nations to taking a screen shot for corp application in the game world of Eve is a irresponsible stretch.
Maybe you are too young to remember what Iraq did to Kuwait and the burning oilfields left in Iraq's retreat. That is why Iraq was being watched, not because they wanted to join a player corp in EvE.
If you apply for any corporation in the real world many will ask for a drug test. Why? To find out if you are a drug user. A drug user can be a serious liablility to a coroporation. Why does an Eve Corp request screen shots upon applying? Because they want to know if you are affiliated with an enemy corp. Employing your enemy can be a serious liability to a Corporation.
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Posted - 2006.05.08 01:46:00 -
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any ceo asking for my screen better have his to show to me. hell maybe he should check my bank account to see if i can afford to be an active member in the corp. should i fax him my work schedual so that i can have further supporting proof i can be active?
there are better ways to keep your corp hanger safe.
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GC13
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Posted - 2006.05.08 02:40:00 -
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Wow. Such hostility to something so simple.
I'll make a note to ask for login screens if I'm ever responsible for hiring... Regardless of how well it keeps spies out, it seems like it will do wonders for people who get uppity real easy, and don't want to follow even the slightest amount of corporate discipline.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2006.05.08 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Skaz
They will find a way and it seems a bit simple, a second account.
But on the other hand the small time con artists will definately be rooted out by this check as they normally won't have a second account.
But those who really are out to con you and are ready to ANYTHING...well we can't stop them because they will find a way.
But this method will make their work a bit more complicated...
No need for a second account.
Just take a trial account, take a screenshot of the log in screen and photoshop (or gimp or whatever your flavour of image editor) your active character into the login blank. Or just edit out your alts to make them look like blank slots.
This way you can send them your "login screen" and your alt slots will appear blank. No messing about with extra accounts (unless you have more than 3 characters) and no one would be the wiser.
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2006.05.08 04:27:00 -
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Its a more simple way of implementing the whole "alts are responsible to their mains" Thing. It allows corp leaders to know who they have in their corp, and dont give me this crap about "there are better ways to secure the corp" and "Second accounts make spying easy".
There are better ways to secure hangers, but not corp, local or alliance chat. If you let someone into the corp who is an alt of an enemy, all they need to do is log in and boom, they know where you are and with what numbers.
And yes, second accounts make this check redundant. But it is still a worthwhile thing to do, and if you have nothing to hide, why do you care.
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Bohoba
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Posted - 2006.05.08 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Fierce Deity
any ceo asking for my screen better have his to show to me. hell maybe he should check my bank account to see if i can afford to be an active member in the corp. should i fax him my work schedual so that i can have further supporting proof i can be active?
there are better ways to keep your corp hanger safe.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes screenshots are req...
Yes your bank account is needed if you canÆt pay you can't play
Yes we need your work schedule so we know when youÆre going to be able to be on for Corp ops and such so we can put you to work with others
ok ok eve is just a game but the above is really info a CEO would like to have to plan things or even have a chance to
Funny how everyone compares EVE to RL come on people itÆs just a game
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can we close this now
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Posted - 2006.05.08 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: bsspewer on 08/05/2006 05:54:23
I scanned through this post but no one seems to be showing that it's possible to create a fake. Everyone says they can do it but why doesn't anyone prove it?
anyways..Here's some proof that character screens are useless.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 05:55:00 -
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please post that at full res,
Then ill take a proper look at it
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.08 06:17:00 -
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Post the original res, otherwise i'd say its suspect as your colors are off and theres way too much noise around the letters for it to be jpeg compression. Also one big error... your missing the shadowing of the letters.
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Kornelia Shedim
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Posted - 2006.05.08 06:50:00 -
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Seriously guys, if your egos are so fragile that you cannot make even the smallest effort to work within the guidelines of the corp you are attempting to join, then you are not worth the corp's time.
Trust is something that you earn in this game. It is not your right to join a corp, it is the right of the corp's leadership to be selective about who they admit. You, as a player, have the right to share only the information you wish to give out, but not sharing any information is going to severly limit the quality of corp/alliance you will be able to join.
Just because you have to earn trust of members of a corp does not mean you cannot have fun in the game. If you are not able to have fun in the game without being a corp that trusts you completely, then I suggest you start your own corp and you can let in anyone you want without any screenshots or questions and everything can be right in your world with everyone living happily ever after.
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Posted - 2006.05.08 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Triscuit
I know people do this, I think it's stupid and crap policy. I'd never join a corp that makes you do this. But hey what do I know (not much).
Smart remark.
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Shere
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:07:00 -
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It's as simple as this;
If you object to the policies of a corporation and/or its CEO. Don't. Join.
However, if a CEO wants to see your login screen, what reason is there to object? If you're so over-protective of your privacy, just get on of these supposed photoshop proz to edit your login screen for you.
It's not a question of whether or not the security measure is valid. No, it's the policy of individual CEO's to use this method. If it's good enough for them, it should be good enough for any potential corp-members of theirs.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:14:00 -
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The shots only one measure also. Besides also inspecting that ss (oddly, yea i know how to use PS too!) there would be several other measures i would employ, some of which where mentioned earlier by SengH, also id transfer random amounts of isk to each of the "alts" on your ss and ask you how much was sent to each toon, as well as the usual corp history checks on you and your alts. Also DOB on those toons (if you have an "alt" thats older than your main im going to question you on it) etc.. etc. wont go into too much detail but you get the idea...
Trust is earned, not given. You are joining us, earn our trust, we have more to lose than you do. Having a corp ripped off affects a whole group of people, asking you for some info and stuff that might bruise your ego is a small price. We arent wanting nakey photos of you just a ss of your login screen, the guy that had a beef about that earlier... nobodys ever knowing how much you are worth? be one of the first people to ask how much is in your corps wallet though i bet huh? And as mentioned earlier, if ineffective in weeding out spies at least it gets rid of the whiney beatches you dont want in your corp anyway.
This thread just gets funnier, and i notice its only noobs complaining about the policy(ies) used by established corps who know what they are doing. 
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:40:00 -
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It's hillarious how some people rely on "Privacy" just because of this login screen. It's a small effort for you and a big earning for the corp, it offers at least a basic level of security. If you have to hide who you are ingame you seriously should be distrusted. Let's just see how it is. You're giving away who you are and what alts you use. Thats not a vialation of privacy thats a proof of honesty for me. I completely understand it, and those who start to compare it with banc account data and what not, should wake up and see that this is still a game, for the CEO it's a whole corp and this is unfortunately the only possibility to protect it from noob spys.
Always take into consideration what an alt can do to your corp if you just be funny and create an alt for doing some damage and what you have to do to prevent that. You guys are crazy if you start to rely on your "rights of privacy" on this matter.
My oppinion.
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kel Shek on 08/05/2006 09:24:14
see, I have no trouble having to take time for people to develop trust in me. I don't expect to have acess to the expensive good stuff right off.
said it before elsewhere... and have no issue with saying it here. there is a line between personal stuff/wealth/time and corp stuff/wealth/time. it would take a hell of alot for me to be comfortable with that line being crossed at all.
what I do privately, is my own business. what I do with one or two other people AS one or two people, is between me and them. how much money I have is NONE of the corp's business. what assets I have are only the corps business as much as I chose for it to be. if I get a tech 2 BPO, its mine. and I will do with it as I chose. I won't hog corp resources to make private money off of it, but the corp doesn't get a cut of any of the profits by nature of association. they would get more from me because I could afford to give more, but its still mine to do with as I please.
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However, if a CEO wants to see your login screen, what reason is there to object?
if there was a reason which I deemed legitimate for that information to be shared, I would volunteer it. theres no reason not to have a double standard for old characters with a history, and new characters that do not. I *WOULD* be willing to share screenshots of my general and skills sheets. (to prove its a real character not an alt) on a screen shot with corp chat translucent behind it or something, if verification that my 2004-born character has 10m+ SP is not enough... well you can go put kitchen utensils in places they don't belong.
Originally by: Tristan
the guy that had a beef about that earlier... nobodys ever knowing how much you are worth? be one of the first people to ask how much is in your corps wallet though i bet huh? And as mentioned earlier, if ineffective in weeding out spies at least it gets rid of the whiney beatches you dont want in your corp anyway.
This thread just gets funnier, and i notice its only noobs complaining about the policy(ies) used by established corps who know what they are doing.
/me double checks his DoB... yeah, 2004.05.07. Skillpoints: 10,623,237(I took a break between Exodus and RMR) and 8.5 base standing with fed customs. I'm sure I look like SUCH a theif-alt.... I wouldn't stand being treated like one.
and no, actaully I wouldn't care about the corp wallet. its not my concern unless someone asks my opinion on something. it goes both ways. I won't rely on the corp to supply me with things I need, and I'll trust the people who've been there longer and who are managing such things... to continue managing them. if someone asks my opinion on a corp purchase... well I have to be informed on the context.
its not about having to, or wanting to hide who you are. its the principle of the thing. if I want to be able to scout some system for my own business, without that character being connected to ANYONE or any group, ... I should be free to do so. if I feel like posting a smart ass comment on the boards without showing that its "me" then its my choice to be able to.
if I was in a corp that had assets that mere recognition of them in the presence of an alt, could cause damage... I simply wouldn't accept new characters. characters that are verifiable, like myself,... its an insult to ask for something like that. at least 1 of the two, and honestly both could be deleted and re-made easily, with no loss (one is deep in the middle of nowhere 0.0 that I never even log into, and is completely un-skilled and unattached, the other is closer to empire, and unskilled and detached)
it *REALLY* is the principle of it. if I REALLY wanted to get into a corp that had that requriement I could simply delete those characters, and take the screenshot, then replace them. actually I'd probably only replace one, and maybe make it, or both slightly more useful as lab-rats or something...
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And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Dogo Duma
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: ver'don
Just photoshop your login screeny to a point where only your portrait and name are real.
And imho, asking for a login screenshot instantly creates an atmosphere of distrust. I will never join an org. that asks me for a login screen, coz if they don't trust me, then why should I trust them.
Doesn't work ^^ THere's plenty of tools around to inspect the screenshot as long as corp managers only accept one generated by the actual eve client - any edits you do in any software immediately changed the bitmarkers and file headers in the file as generated by the eve client. CCP was really smart there :-)
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Tristan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:57:00 -
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Quote:
Doesn't work ^^ THere's plenty of tools around to inspect the screenshot as long as corp managers only accept one generated by the actual eve client - any edits you do in any software immediately changed the bitmarkers and file headers in the file as generated by the eve client. CCP was really smart there :-)
SHHHHHHH!!! 
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LTC TF
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:38:00 -
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It seem no point to me for a corp asking for a char section screenshot. There are so many people got more than 1 account. If you just take a char section screenshot from one of your accounts, your corp will still not be able to know your alt.....
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Bowwow Meow
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:45:00 -
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There are too many spies and scammers in this game. Imagine you are at war with BoB, your CEO asks for a screenshots of everyones login screen, and sombody has a character in BoB. That is what that is for.
Honestly, it is far to easy to create an ALT account and get away with murder without any responsibility attached to your actions. I would love it if you could look at someones BIO and see who their ALT's are. It would cut down a lot on spies and people scamming with ALTs... it would still be possible, but would require a clean account to dissasociate with your main.
It would also cut down a lot on forum smack with ALTs.
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Dogo Duma
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:47:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Tristan
Quote:
Doesn't work ^^ THere's plenty of tools around to inspect the screenshot as long as corp managers only accept one generated by the actual eve client - any edits you do in any software immediately changed the bitmarkers and file headers in the file as generated by the eve client. CCP was really smart there :-)
SHHHHHHH!!!
oh ... I should not mention the abundance of web applications like Blueprint tools, Mining tools, Gang tools, IGB Games, etcetera using the IGB Mechanisms, IP tracking & storing & filtering to building a substantial collective database of pilots / assets / etcetera of the past year / year and a half?
Time to train Paranoia level 5!
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Dano Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:54:00 -
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I got a better idea, rather then taking random people on and demanding screenshots... why not build a corp basd on friendship and trust rather then taking on people purely on SP and stuff.
If you don't trust somone don't give them access to sensitive information or corp assets, actually better yet don't have them in the corp at all.
I mean come on, frankly any corp that wanted screenshots of login screen shows me they're more interested in your account then the person. I'd rather take a guy who i felt was decent then somone i had even the slighest doubt about with 40mill SP.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:56:00 -
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Asking for a screen shot is just about stupid...In the days of "power of 2" or the people who play this game with no Real life, and have four five or six accounts.
As Far as I care, you people have no right to know, who or what else I play. What characters I have rolled up, or what time I take my daily dump.
You have no right to say I cant be here writing this, you have no right to say I cant talk to a real life friend just cause he/she is in another corp/alliance.
Why do I say this? Cause Its me that pays that $15 a month for me to play, not you.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.05.08 15:04:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Flyyn
Asking for a screen shot is just about stupid...In the days of "power of 2" or the people who play this game with no Real life, and have four five or six accounts.
As Far as I care, you people have no right to know, who or what else I play. What characters I have rolled up, or what time I take my daily dump.
You have no right to say I cant be here writing this, you have no right to say I cant talk to a real life friend just cause he/she is in another corp/alliance.
Why do I say this? Cause Its me that pays that $15 a month for me to play, not you.
It's a freakin character screen shot. That is the issue here. For some people, having their corp robbed is not worth 15 bucks a month!
There is nothing stoping you from talking to a RL friend because they're in a different corp or alliance. Obviously, if you care enough about your corp, you wont tell them anything senstive.
Jeez man, take a chill pill
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Jahria Jaeger
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Posted - 2006.05.08 15:39:00 -
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If you where that whiney about sending a simple picture off your login screen I would not want you to join my corp...
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.05.08 15:48:00 -
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Screenshots of login screens have been a standard basic security measure used by many corps since the earliest days of EvE.
While it is true that multiple accounts are far more common now it is still better to have some measure of security than none whatsoever.
No one can find out your account login details from a login screenshot and it's no suprise a corp will remove a member who refuses to comply to this simple request as they would have to consider what the player has to hide.
You can either accept it or you can refuse it and deal with either being refused entry to a corp or being removed from it altogether.
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.05.08 16:16:00 -
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If someone does not want to reveal the identity of their alternative characters, they are likely to have something to hide. The only exception I can think of is if they feel it violates their privacy in some way. One way it could is if they think they have the right to play multiple characters independent of eachother. There can however be no total independence, as there is only one player, and speaking for myself I want to hire that player - not the character.
Revealing your alts is a display of potential trustworthiness. Not enough by itself, of course, but absolutely neccessary or else I better hear a real good explanation - and "you have no right to" is just not enough, not worth the risk.
As such, it is a simple and harmless precaution, and even though it's in no way sufficient for establishing trust, it's well worth it.
And as the director in charge of recruitment, I will continue to demand login screens randomly.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.05.08 16:18:00 -
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To the OP, and the other posters that think asking for screenshots is equivalent to murdering your first born:
Don't bother applying to Shinra, or indeed any other propor corp worth it's salt. Our security is more important than the recruits we potentially lose.
Max
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Amnika MonSulu
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:37:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Flyyn
Asking for a screen shot is just about stupid...In the days of "power of 2" or the people who play this game with no Real life, and have four five or six accounts.
As Far as I care, you people have no right to know, who or what else I play. What characters I have rolled up, or what time I take my daily dump.
You have no right to say I cant be here writing this, you have no right to say I cant talk to a real life friend just cause he/she is in another corp/alliance.
Why do I say this? Cause Its me that pays that $15 a month for me to play, not you.
You missed one.
You have no right to be in a player controled corporation.
A corporation is not like your work or a goverment organization. It is a private cub that has the right to ask for anything and everything they feel like and if you don't comply, you can leave. There is no privacy in a player corporation. There is no right to privacy in a corporation. There are plenty of NPC corps around if you don't like it.
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Lucas Garin
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Posted - 2006.05.08 18:01:00 -
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Some people take this game WAY too seriously.
Key word being GAME.
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Shere
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Posted - 2006.05.08 18:34:00 -
[108]
What the hell is with you people talking about happy stuff like "friendship" and "trust"? This is EVE, a game where screwing over as many people as you can is often the most profitable route. If you aren't paranoid, you are more likely to get ripped off, or spied on. If there is something that can give me a little, tiny, glimmer of security, I'm sure as hell going to use it, no matter how insignificant or "useless" it may be. If you object to something as simple as pressing printscreen, you either a) have something to hide, b) want the ability to litter the forums with more alt posting trash or c) are far too over protective of your silly privacy.
Seriously, get over it.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.08 18:36:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Triscuit
I know people do this, I think it's stupid and crap policy. I'd never join a corp that makes you do this. But hey what do I know (not much).
It's complete BS policy tbh. Don't join a corp like that. Tell them that their paranoid nature is troubling.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.08 18:44:00 -
[110]
Originally by: anister
Screenshots of login screens are nothing.
We ask our unknown prospective members for wallet screenshots with transactions shown, results of a windows prompt detailing all EVE Installations, Extensive check of employment history and corp business as well as other measures.
If you can't provide that then a) we don't trust you and b) we don't want you.
Harsh maybe, bothered? not really.
What a pathetic joke. Seriously, no wonder BOS going to the crapper these days. You all need to get a grip my fine gent. IT'S A GAME.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.05.08 18:53:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Shere
If you aren't paranoid, you are more likely to get ripped off, or spied on. If there is something that can give me a little, tiny, glimmer of security, I'm sure as hell going to use it, no matter how insignificant or "useless" it may be. If you object to something as simple as pressing printscreen, you either a) have something to hide, b) want the ability to litter the forums with more alt posting trash or c) are far too over protective of your silly privacy.
Seriously, get over it.
a small dose of intelligent contientious paranoia goes alot further than a large dose of idiotic mindless paranoia.
a) nope, its called principle.
b) yes, in fact, I do. and theres no legitimate reason for a corp to have even the slightest say about that.
c) no such thing.
I've already conceded that I'd be more prone to accepting/agreeing with such a measure for characters without a background to be checked on. which is more ground than I would have expected to give on the topic.
its a game first and foremost, my gameplay comes first.
what makes ME more suspicious is corps that seem too eager to blur the line between corp and personal assets.
and nothing I do with a nameless unskilled alt that has no attachments, has anything to do with a corp my main is in. and if my main has over 10m SP its obviously not just a throw away alt.
and if you have assets that can be harmed by some newb in the corp knowing anything about it... why are you letting new people that you don't know, into the corp? its silly. and if its corp theft rather than espionage thats the concern... then why the hell would you give people who haven't been with you a while, enough acess to do anything signifigantly harmful?
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Shere
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Posted - 2006.05.08 18:57:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Kel Shek
Originally by: Shere
If you aren't paranoid, you are more likely to get ripped off, or spied on. If there is something that can give me a little, tiny, glimmer of security, I'm sure as hell going to use it, no matter how insignificant or "useless" it may be. If you object to something as simple as pressing printscreen, you either a) have something to hide, b) want the ability to litter the forums with more alt posting trash or c) are far too over protective of your silly privacy.
Seriously, get over it.
a small dose of intelligent contientious paranoia goes alot further than a large dose of idiotic mindless paranoia.
a) nope, its called principle.
b) yes, in fact, I do. and theres no legitimate reason for a corp to have even the slightest say about that.
c) no such thing.
I've already conceded that I'd be more prone to accepting/agreeing with such a measure for characters without a background to be checked on. which is more ground than I would have expected to give on the topic.
its a game first and foremost, my gameplay comes first.
what makes ME more suspicious is corps that seem too eager to blur the line between corp and personal assets.
and nothing I do with a nameless unskilled alt that has no attachments, has anything to do with a corp my main is in. and if my main has over 10m SP its obviously not just a throw away alt.
and if you have assets that can be harmed by some newb in the corp knowing anything about it... why are you letting new people that you don't know, into the corp? its silly. and if its corp theft rather than espionage thats the concern... then why the hell would you give people who haven't been with you a while, enough acess to do anything signifigantly harmful?
You know what, you're just repeating the same thing over and over and over and over... Just don't join a corp like that and keep your silly privacy. You people talk about "trust" well, if you don't trust your CEO with information about you and your alts, then why should the CEO trust you to be a member of his/her corp?
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.08 19:18:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Jin Entres
If someone does not want to reveal the identity of their alternative characters, they are likely to have something to hide. The only exception I can think of is if they feel it violates their privacy in some way. One way it could is if they think they have the right to play multiple characters independent of eachother. There can however be no total independence, as there is only one player, and speaking for myself I want to hire that player - not the character.
Revealing your alts is a display of potential trustworthiness. Not enough by itself, of course, but absolutely neccessary or else I better hear a real good explanation - and "you have no right to" is just not enough, not worth the risk.
As such, it is a simple and harmless precaution, and even though it's in no way sufficient for establishing trust, it's well worth it.
And as the director in charge of recruitment, I will continue to demand login screens randomly.
I'll put it this way: What I can offer a corp via BENEFITS of my alts is probably unprecedented in scope. I know of few in this game that can bring what I can to the table via alt support. I let the potential future corp know this up front and then I watch them carefully to see if they will accord me back some leeway on some things regarding alts in exchange for the foregoing benefit. Specifically, I also let them know that I value the ability to have an alt to express my opinions with on the forums. I don't think they need to know who that alt is.
They take it one of two ways. Either they see it as the golden opportunity that it is or they are paranoid and fall back on the usual set of rigid requirements for documentation.
Interviews for employment IRL or for acceptance in a game are for the benefit of BOTH parties. The person applying and the person employing. This means to me that I learn as much about them as they do about me. So when I hear things like they still need to go forward with "alt checks" in a formalized screenshot manner it tells me that they really don't like alts that much in the first place.
Thus, it's probably not a corp that deserves my services. Their loss. Not mine. I reject them, not the other way around.
And if they get an attitude, then that only makes me want to shoot them versus the default position I usually would adopt of ambivalance towards someone who wanted such documentation.
Those are just some thoughts. I think the single thing about this thread that gets me are the freakin mind police out there to stop alts not from thieving the corp hangar, but from posting on these forums. How pathetic! Half of the twits on this forum do nothing other than discount someone's ideas based on who they are versus what they said and the merit or lackof of the ideas themselves.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2006.05.08 19:22:00 -
[114]
To the OP
This question came up when my Gaming Clan finely became active in EVE. Should the Corp require logon Screens?
I honestly don't remember what was decided, but I do remember posting my thoughts there.
1.EVE is a game where the player in encouraged to do anything they can get away with, this includes corporate spying and theft.
2.EVE encourages and Rewards Ganking.
3.EVE rewards pirating.
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If we want to add new members to the EVE-corp (non-clan) then we risk getting those types of players. My clan has a very strict Code Of Conduct, rules that we have abided by for over the eight years I have been a member.
I suggested that a screen shot be requested because of the COC. There have been several EVE members that have been kicked out because of breaking the COC. Players seem to forget that they represent their corp and how they act in game reflects on their corp.
I am not the CEO so this is just IMHO. Requiring a Screen is not a matter of trust, If you donÆt fill comfortable in supplying one then you will most likely not be able to accept and play by the COC. In which case if you keep looking I am sure you will find a corp out there for you so Fly Safe.
As was said by several others, itÆs a game and itÆs a private corp if you canÆt accept their rules then donÆt join.
I would bet that there is a RPG-Pirate corp that requires their members to use teamspeak and say ôYarr maties there be treasure in that indyö If that is their corp rules then they have the right to require their members to do so. Why complain, just donÆt join that corp instead look for a corp that will offer you the kind of play style you want.
Ps.. side note there is a rumor that several of the Prat corps require their memebrs to play with a Bra over their heads and a plastic parrot on their left shoulder So really, asking for a screen in a biggie.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2006.05.08 19:35:00 -
[115]
Trust is something you have to earn.
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The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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