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Verone	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:19:00 - [1] From the title, this post appears to be Veto shaking it's wang, however this is not true. This post is designed as a good hearted warning to anyone travelling within low security Minmatar Sovereign space. Several months ago, Veto was in Empire attacking several targets when we were war declared by Atomic Battle Penguins, fair game. At the same time they were involved in a war with "Black Hole Inc." who are now part of Dominion Empire. We were contacted by Black Hole in an effort to work together, and they requested a postive standing, in exchange for assistance in the war, as we only had 12 members at the time. They were told, by me personally, that if we fought in the vacinity of eachother aganist ABP we would assist, however NO full +10 standing would be introduced. We were informed they would set us to +10 to avoid possible fire on us during engagements. Several weeks ago (almost 4 months later) several of my guys attacked and killed a Black Hole Inc member. He claimed he had been told that we granted them a +10 standing, and showed blue on his overview. Since then there have been several engagments between Veto and Black Hole Inc. as they seem disgruntled at the fact we apparently broke a "NAP". Today, something happened that the rest of the community should be warned about. In good spirit, Milo Deadstar, a member of my corp in a cyclone offered Caillera Mondaer of Black Hole Inc flying a Tempest a 1v1, they agreed and formed a gang and headed to an area to fight. During the fight, Caillera Mondaer left the gang, and called in the assistance of Bieomax in a Megathron. Subsequently the Veto pilot lost his Battlecruiser, to a Gank, in a pre-arranged 1v1, to two Battleships. Milo was also accused of flying with a Warp Core Stabiliser fitted after defending himself in local, despite the fact his fitting was sold to him by our corporation, who has a harsh anti WCS policy and do not stock them. He attempted to speak to their CEO to explain what happened, and was also met with a barrage of abuse. I can't speak for the whole of Dominion Empire, as our experience of them all has not been the same and there are some good pilots among them, however I urge anyone who is thinking of being part of any form of agreement with Black Hole Inc, be it a Ransom, a 1v1 or any other, to reconsider. I won't prolong this post further as the point has been made and this is not intended as a flame, more as a warning to the rest of the community. Enough has been said, I hope the rest of the corporations operating in the area will heed this warning. I also ask that Veto members refrain from posting regarding this matter, in this thread or any other, to prevent a possible flame war. Thanks. VETO MEMBER MOVIES
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:22:00 - [2] ouchhate peeps like that
Wrok	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:27:00 - [3] I know verone is a hardcore pie rat but at the same time hes a respectable one, to bad people have to fight without honor...or pride for that matter.. oh well hope you give them hell in space... gl Verone, Veto.
Soulis	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:27:00 - [4] death death death death..... Shinra - The Good Guys
Spike Larosse	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:28:00 - [5] Ahh, there's a special place in hell reserved for scammers and those not honouring 1v1 agreements, ransoms, etc. Also, kudos to your guy, seemingly wanting to 1 on 1 against a Tempest in a Cyclone. ------------------------------------------------ -OCC-
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:34:00 - [6] Sigh, if any of you have seen the ABP vs. DOOM video, you'll immediately know why I find this funny, but not surprising. A good heads up, Verone. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Spike Larosse Ahh, there's a special place in hell reserved for scammers and those not honouring 1v1 agreements, ransoms, etc. I hear people who talk in cinemas go to the same section. lol @ needing support of another BS when fighting a BC.
Mikelio Raijan	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:38:00 - [8] Gank the crap out of them i say. Gets Pom Poms Goooooo Veto!
Lord Spidey	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:48:00 - [9] Two Bs'es to gank one BC? Lamers
Mad Mackem	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:51:00 - [10] Kill em all Verone, Kill em all
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:57:00 - [11] I think the fact that the Black Hole member had to call in reinforcements against a battlecrusier speaks for itself.
Th'Orn	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:57:00 - [12] Lamers.. Verone and Veto ftw.
nickycakes	Posted - 2006.05.07 18:11:00 - [13] Breaking 1v1's is nothing more than pathetic. You suck dominion empire. Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
Crucifier	Posted - 2006.05.07 19:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Righteous Fury I think the fact that the Black Hole member had to call in reinforcements against a battlecrusier speaks for itself. Agreeing with a bob fanboi !! WHAT!
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.05.07 19:39:00 - [15] Pathetic.. Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Tecam Hund	Posted - 2006.05.07 19:43:00 - [16] Between smack, not honoring agreements and claiming low security systems DOOM has no excuse for existance to be honest. Piracy is cool by me, carebearing is just as fine. However DOOM should make a stance. Are they a pirate alliance or are they a regular alliance. NBSI policy in low sec is piracy and yet they NAPed every local corporation including the antipirate corp Musketeers (ironicly members of which gave me a speach on how pirates have no honor in EvE or in RL , and then sold themselves out). I am just trying to raise my security status at the present time, but it seems like I am left with very little choice. I am camped and hunted not only by DOOM, but by the corps in coalition with them who I peacefully coexisted with for weeks... All this rant is on account of me trying to say: please people look at who DOOM are and think twice before NAPing them. P.S. Go Veto \o/
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.07 20:02:00 - [17] sigh This problem only seems to be growing... ~Eximius Josari, President of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.05.07 20:18:00 - [18] Well, it comes down to who needs to be trusted. Trust = reputation. Pirates need to be trusted because otherwise ransoms would never get paid. So, it's really not that surprising that non-pirates, who don't need to be trusted, use that against pirates. Basically, the Veto member made the fatal mistake of assuming that others were as trustworthy as himself. It seems that 1v1s should be approached with the same attitude as a "really good" escrow deal. Sadly. -- Originally by: Mephysto come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
Hira'razhir	Posted - 2006.05.07 20:43:00 - [19] Wow, thats pretty sad. GL Veto
Avuroi Saxudaj	Posted - 2006.05.07 20:48:00 - [20] Lame
Xrak	Posted - 2006.05.07 21:13:00 - [21] Is it wrong to want Verone's babies?
SpaceDrake Storyteller	Posted - 2006.05.07 21:32:00 - [22] Plz tell me we'll see VETO vs. DOOM movies in the near future. ABP vs. DOOM was comedy gold, I could use more of that, especially from sexy Verone. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward? Player of the character "Andre Ricard".
Mirkel	Posted - 2006.05.07 21:39:00 - [23] kill em hard V
Verone	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Xrak Is it wrong to want Verone's babies? I'll be in my hangar at 8, covered in maple syrup VETO MEMBER MOVIES
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:42:00 - [25] GL Veto, Kill the liars, reputation is worth more than a ship
Elaron	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:42:00 - [26] [ 2006.05.07 15:56:38 ] Caillera Mondaer > isnt everyone prime targets? [ 2006.05.07 15:56:53 ] Bieomax > Look at the Age your the noob [ 2006.05.07 15:57:01 ] Milo Deadstar > scumbags [ 2006.05.07 15:57:28 ] Bieomax > hmm a veto moaning about been ganked [ 2006.05.07 15:57:51 ] Milo Deadstar > no moaning that you called in a friend cos your too ** weak to kill a cyclone [ 2006.05.07 15:58:17 ] Caillera Mondaer > Teamwork 4TW [ 2006.05.07 15:58:53 ] Milo Deadstar > yeah whatever, lamest thing ive seen [ 2006.05.07 15:59:01 ] Bieomax > sht man your the nub , what you fighting with all the in your hold for [ 2006.05.07 16:02:43 ] Milo Deadstar > so lame [ 2006.05.07 16:03:38 ] Bieomax > dam mate you shoulda docked and put that in a station [ 2006.05.07 16:04:26 ] Milo Deadstar > you guys are really just pure scum [ 2006.05.07 16:05:02 ] Milo Deadstar > and everyones going to know it [ 2006.05.07 16:05:04 ] Bieomax > Aye mate thus the sec rating [ 2006.05.07 16:05:17 ] Bieomax > sht mate everyone already knows it [ 2006.05.07 16:05:26 ] Milo Deadstar > ewll expect a few war decs [ 2006.05.07 16:06:02 ] Bieomax > well to war dec a allaince thats expensive, good luck to ya [ 2006.05.07 16:06:38 ] Caillera Mondaer > yeah thats a pretty hefty price tag to pay for the loss of one ship [ 2006.05.07 16:06:42 ] Milo Deadstar > well you better hope your corp/alliance leaders are as big scumbags as you [ 2006.05.07 16:06:57 ] Caillera Mondaer > Yeah they like teamwork [ 2006.05.07 16:07:06 ] Milo Deadstar > that wasnt teamwork [ 2006.05.07 16:07:55 ] Bieomax > well you were lured into the trap so that was team work i think [ 2006.05.07 16:07:56 ] Milo Deadstar > no you violated a 1v1 ..one of the lowest acts possible in eve [ 2006.05.07 16:08:18 ] Caillera Mondaer > I never said I would 1V1 you I just said I was ina belt come find me [ 2006.05.07 16:08:36 ] Bieomax > i beleive nothing was agreed to a 1v1 [ 2006.05.07 16:08:43 ] Milo Deadstar > thats bull [ 2006.05.07 16:09:04 ] Caillera Mondaer > Um no #1 rule don't trust VETO like I told you a few times been down that road before [ 2006.05.07 16:09:12 ] Milo Deadstar > jeez ..you might have even beaten me on your own ..i was in a cyclone for s sake [ 2006.05.07 16:09:39 ] Bieomax > well i must be on my way, i'll bid you a good morning, Fly Safe now o/ I'd hardly consider "OK I'm in a belt come find me" as an acceptance of formal 1v1 rules of engagement - certainly Caillera didn't intend it as such. Our pilot had had some prior experience fighting with VETO. that had left a sour taste in his mouth - beyond what a friendly gank would - and had asked Bieomax to join him before he'd given that statement. Caillera also states that he was never in a gang with Milo, he was in a gang with Bieomax the entire time. The warp core stabiliser accusation came from the fact that VETO. pilot involved had a used warp core stabiliser in his can, and made comments in local that appear to agree that he had it fitted. Of course, proof is impossible on that as it wasn't on the killmail, but his statement can be construed to be as incriminating to having the stabiliser fitted as "OK I'm in a belt" is to agreeing to a 1v1. And regarding ancient history - to the best of my knowledge, neither BHI nor D00M ever set standings to VETO. after VETO., ahem, "vetoed" the idea of a mutual standings agreement. The pilot you killed a few weeks ago was mistaken on the NAP point. Finally, denizens of our usual haunts know that if a BHI / D00M pilot actually formally agrees to something, they will stick to it. Elaron** It is never too late to correct the mistakes of the past.
Elaron	Posted - 2006.05.07 22:42:00 - [27] This is an official response on behalf of Black Hole INC. This shall be our only official public statement on this incident between us and VETO. corporation. Further discussion on these matters between our two parties, if warranted, can be held privately. You know how to contact us. Regarding the specific incident - the leaders of BHI and I have looked the following local logs from our pilots and at no point was a 1v1 specifically agreed to. [ 2006.05.07 14:39:28 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Ardar Local Channel [ 2006.05.07 14:40:49 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Frerstorn Local Channel [ 2006.05.07 14:57:13 ] Bieomax > o/ [ 2006.05.07 15:33:57 ] Milo Deadstar > 1v1? [ 2006.05.07 15:34:16 ] Milo Deadstar > im only in a cyclone [ 2006.05.07 15:34:25 ] Caillera Mondaer > 1v1 with a couple on other sideof gate [ 2006.05.07 15:34:33 ] Caillera Mondaer > Hmmm...... [ 2006.05.07 15:34:37 ] Milo Deadstar > no theres not [ 2006.05.07 15:35:17 ] Milo Deadstar > fight at a safespot if u want [ 2006.05.07 15:35:48 ] Milo Deadstar > im just bored [ 2006.05.07 15:36:12 ] Caillera Mondaer > that makes two of us what happened to everyone last night? [ 2006.05.07 15:36:26 ] Milo Deadstar > not sure [ 2006.05.07 15:37:12 ] Caillera Mondaer > I didnt see ytou on last night [ 2006.05.07 15:37:34 ] Milo Deadstar > i went to bed early [ 2006.05.07 15:38:24 ] Milo Deadstar > so want to fight or no? [ 2006.05.07 15:38:56 ] Caillera Mondaer > yeah I'll fight just a little leary of someone camping other side of gfate [ 2006.05.07 15:39:08 ] Milo Deadstar > i give my veto word there isnt Smile [ 2006.05.07 15:39:55 ] Caillera Mondaer > Hmmm...VETO word means *** to me. Ras and Rock couldn't take me and they called for help been down this road before [ 2006.05.07 15:40:06 ] Milo Deadstar > if you want to invite me to gang ill come to a safe spot [ 2006.05.07 15:40:46 ] Caillera Mondaer > yeah you come me drop gang wapr friends in. like I said been down this road [ 2006.05.07 15:41:30 ] Milo Deadstar > sigh, noone else around [ 2006.05.07 15:41:52 ] Caillera Mondaer > Hmmmmm [ 2006.05.07 15:43:01 ] Milo Deadstar > if i were to cheat on a 1v1 like that id be kicked from veto [ 2006.05.07 15:43:36 ] Caillera Mondaer > Really [ 2006.05.07 15:43:40 ] Caillera Mondaer > Since when [ 2006.05.07 15:43:44 ] Milo Deadstar > for sure [ 2006.05.07 15:43:46 ] Milo Deadstar > since always [ 2006.05.07 15:43:54 ] Milo Deadstar > read our policy on the website [ 2006.05.07 15:44:02 ] Caillera Mondaer > send me a link [ 2006.05.07 15:44:15 ] Milo Deadstar > www.veto.get-no.de [ 2006.05.07 15:44:40 ] Milo Deadstar > i dont have much time tho [ 2006.05.07 15:47:02 ] Caillera Mondaer > lol in a rush [ 2006.05.07 15:47:41 ] Milo Deadstar > well its 130am and i have to work tomorrow Razz [ 2006.05.07 15:47:47 ] Milo Deadstar > so just say yes or no lol [ 2006.05.07 15:47:59 ] Caillera Mondaer > ok I'm in a belt come find me [ 2006.05.07 15:48:05 ] Milo Deadstar > k [ 2006.05.07 15:48:20 ] Caillera Mondaer > dang it rats just popped in [ 2006.05.07 15:50:45 ] Caillera Mondaer > where you at if its 1am [ 2006.05.07 15:50:51 ] Milo Deadstar > coming Smile [ 2006.05.07 15:54:09 ] Milo Deadstar > wow you lose eve as the biggest lamer ever [ 2006.05.07 15:54:22 ] Caillera Mondaer > hey man no smack talk now [ 2006.05.07 15:54:42 ] Milo Deadstar > sfu honorless noob [ 2006.05.07 15:55:07 ] Bieomax > hmmm he has a warp stab on [ 2006.05.07 15:55:16 ] Milo Deadstar > yeah **in moron [ 2006.05.07 15:55:20 ] Caillera Mondaer > Hmmm yeah I bet VErone would like to see that [ 2006.05.07 15:55:33 ] Bieomax > a veto with a stab on [ 2006.05.07 15:55:53 ] Milo Deadstar > as if he's going to believe honorless noobs like yourselves [ 2006.05.07 15:56:19 ] Caillera Mondaer > its all in the mail [ 2006.05.07 15:56:20 ] Milo Deadstar > consider yourselves prime targets of veto [ 2006.05.07 15:56:28 ] Bieomax > lol
Tecam Hund	Posted - 2006.05.07 23:10:00 - [28] Every loser that dishonors 1vs1 later tries to catch their opponent on the words. It doesn't matter what the exact wording was. An honorable person knows that any form of duel is supposed to be without outside support. Lamers try to find a loophole to get in reinforcements. Posting 2 pages of chat logs doesn't make you look any better. I would say worse.
Sakura Nihil	Posted - 2006.05.07 23:29:00 - [29] While I do agree on one hand that the BH member didn't agree to a 1v1 explicitly, at the same time he didn't say "no" to it. In an ambiguous situation like this, the [ 2006.05.07 15:47:59 ] Caillera Mondaer > ok I'm in a belt come find me phrase tends to make it sound like Caillera wanted a fight, hence leaning towards an acceptance of a duel. All semantics aside however, it is a bit lame...however, as far as the recommendation that corps should think twice before joining DOOM, Verone, I can testify as an ex-BH and DOOM member myself that they are trustworthy. damn sig hijack!!11! Signature removed. Max filesize is 24,000 bytes. -Eldo ([email protected])
nickycakes	Posted - 2006.05.07 23:30:00 - [30] I like how the dominion empire guy doesn't want to 1v1 on the basis of Veto members possibly waiting on other side of gate to gank. Oh the irony. Anyway, that chatlog just proves the OP's point, and not honoring 1v1's is the most lame thing you can do in this game IMO (besides crap like 3rd party hacks and the like). And as has been expressed already in this thread: Lol @ you for needing help to kill a cyclone. Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked

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