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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm.
The Storm Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.05 07:52:00 -
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So it's that time again. Reasons have been posted a million times so here they are in bullet-point format.
- game has over 5.5 million registered accounts.
- only 8% of those accounts are active.
- corporations created by those dead accounts remain 'valid' for all time, no matter how long the account has been unsubbed.
- No way to oust or close those corporations unless the owning player re-subs and dissolves it.
It's really not a complex wish-list.
1. inactive players which never subscribed from their trial are deleted from the system permanently after 1 year.
2. corporations automatically suffer a tax to remain open and 'valid', which is tied to the corp at the time of their creation from an office - those who don't pay are automatically annulled and the corp is freed for re-birth somewhere else.
3. players which have their corporations annulled have all hangers and associated corporate assets deleted from the game.
4. POS remain in space as they're actually attackable
Any further suggestions or C&C please.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:02:00 -
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In an ideal world, yes.
But practically I think CCP shareholders would scream at the resulting figures.
Chafes my OCD too, but inactive are, well, inactive, so not of any actual consequence.
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm.
The Storm Collective
216
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:09:00 -
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They have a measurable consequence - tying up ""IP"" in dead players.
Get rid of them. 4.1 million accounts can be deleted with no consequence, as you said, and kill all their stupid 1-man inactive corps while you're at it too.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:14:00 -
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I like how people throw around "no consequences", just because it has no consequences... to themselves.
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm.
The Storm Collective
216
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:24:00 -
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Okay since you're the proposing there are consequences mind listing a few? Make sure you only address the points raised so far! No putting words in my mouth!
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Jim Era
8511
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:42:00 -
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stuff 'n things
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Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Nulli Secunda
101
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:50:00 -
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The only reason to do this from my perspective would be to free up names. Both playernames and corporation names.
Apart from that I dont care. Dont really care about the names either to be honest.
Dont see the upside for CCP. I doubt they dont know what you know about the 8% being active. I doubt those inactive records in their database are creating strain on anything.
If even 1 dude thinks "lets try this again, I made a cool character back in the day" then not spending time (and thus money) on "cleaning" the database may be worth it.
People that played and made a corporation may want to get back using that corporation as a starting point. Not having it, may dissuade them.
In short; I don't feel the need to do this.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3071
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:18:00 -
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Show me figures regarding players who return and how much DB info is taken up by these inactive characters and we can talk.
I assume you are for the forced decommissioning of derelict POS towers too?
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm.
The Storm Collective
217
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Show me figures regarding players who return and how much DB info is taken up by these inactive characters and we can talk.
I assume you are for the forced decommissioning of derelict POS towers too?
Did I not specify in the OP to leave offline POS towers around, you mindless peon? If you're too cheap the hire mercs or shoot something defenceless yourself you deserve to suffer.
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Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
193
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:24:00 -
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OP forgot the provide reasons for the points in his bullet list.
Additionally there is even a sub forum for this kind of posts called something with ideas... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3071
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:26:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote: you mindless peon?
Sorry, who am I serving to be a peon?
And I spoke my mind, disagreeing with you, so therefore by definition I cannot be mindless
So, fellow who insults people in a debate for no reason, please explain how terminating unused characters, and by their extention, their assets is in any way different from removing these towers? By extention some of those towers will vanish with the removal of inactive corps.
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm.
The Storm Collective
217
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:30:00 -
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It's not a new idea anymore - this is the general discussion of something that's been around for years and years.
Here are my reasons,
1 & 2: inactive players provide nothing of value to the game and only take up space (in names and logos) that active players who are part of the current community could be using. Unless these players are of historical significance WHO CARES if they get deleted. The owners probably won't.
3: I want to call my corp something - oh look a guy made a corp with a similar name 6 years ago and hasn't logged in in over 5 years. It's a self explanatory issue.
4: I can wardec his corp but I can't wipe it off the face of the earth because with no way to actually generate upkeep on a highsec corp there's nothing keeping them from dying. This needs to change.
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Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
134
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:41:00 -
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Good time to suggest this. Just as CCP have an incentive program running to get people to resub..... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3071
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:43:00 -
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Sarah McKnobbo wrote:Good time to suggest this. Just as CCP have an incentive program running to get people to resub.....
OP wants resubbers to lose their stored characters just because he cant think of an original Corp Name 
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Alastair Ormand
Badger Badger Badger
Apocalypse Now.
62
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:09:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:In an ideal world, yes.
Chafes my OCD too,
I think they have a cream for that.
But yeah. Kill the dead corps. Finding a ticker that isn't taken is a b***h
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm.
The Storm Collective
217
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:11:00 -
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CCPs own research in to the matter is more about reclaiming players who left within the last 2 years, not people from 5+ years ago who are *never* coming back.
CSM minutes from 2011 tell much. Gotta have the memory to see their bigger picture.
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Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
135
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:21:00 -
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So, is it a Star Trek or Babylon 5 name that you want to free up for your corp? |
Rannasha Kore
United Individuals
Clearly Unconventional Meatshield
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:23:00 -
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You could have names and such from inactive players and corps expire after a certain time (say, 1 year). At this point, the name can be claimed by any active player and if the name is claimed by someone else, the inactive player will receive a notice to pick a new name when he comes back.
This way, you get the best of both worlds. Inactive players can't lock out desirable names indefinitely and characters and corps aren't deleted, so someone returning after a very long absence will still find all his stuff intact. |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm.
The Storm Collective
217
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:31:00 -
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The defence of inactive players priviledge to their corps and names is an inane as saying that ships cannot change - yet clearly slots get moved and you're told to harden up.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3072
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:34:00 -
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Rannasha Kore wrote:You could have names and such from inactive players and corps expire after a certain time (say, 1 year). At this point, the name can be claimed by any active player and if the name is claimed by someone else, the inactive player will receive a notice to pick a new name when he comes back.
This way, you get the best of both worlds. Inactive players can't lock out desirable names indefinitely and characters and corps aren't deleted, so someone returning after a very long absence will still find all his stuff intact.
CCP have stated many many many times that names are pretty much fixed forever (except TOS breaking ones)
This is one of their mechanisms to avoid accidental taking of one in use
Something something harden the something something
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Domania
Rooks Inc.
14
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:37:00 -
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Out of my 8 years playing, I have never once been stuck on naming a character or corporation. Never once had issues making a tag for said corporation. What all those accounts do is fill in the most common and unimaginative names out there.
You say deleting them would be of no consequence. I then propose upon you why we should not just keep them? There is no consequences by keeping them and taking no action against inactive accounts, and people who do come back to the game or decide to start playing Eve after trying the trial after a time might want to use a account they made already. |
Sher Rayet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:41:00 -
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How would this work in the Employment History tab? Erased or tagged as a "Legacy" corp, which may indicate this so and so is a successor? |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:56:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:... you mindless peon? If you're too cheap the hire mercs or shoot something defenceless yourself you deserve to suffer.
Did they deserve to be called this name? and because they may be poor they "deserve" to suffer?
I think the game is better off without you in it...
Ramona McCandless wrote:Sarah McKnobbo wrote:Good time to suggest this. Just as CCP have an incentive program running to get people to resub..... OP wants resubbers to lose their stored characters just because he cant think of an original Corp Name
And he's upset he can't use "The Big Hairy Purple 3rd Toe on My Left Foot" as a corp name bceause it's taken. |
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
24
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:08:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:So it's that time again. Reasons have been posted a million times so here they are in bullet-point format.
So if this has been went over a million times before, what committee elected you to rehash it for the million and oneth time? Or do the bullet-points make that much of a difference?
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Did I not specify in the OP to leave offline POS towers around, you mindless peon?
Hey now, watch your mouth, and no being a ****. If I gotta be politically correct, and nice, everyone's gotta also. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
938
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:27:00 -
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Hehe, Ramona is a mindless peon! Not exactly the mental image I have of that character... Few know their own mind better, I think.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3076
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:33:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Hehe, Ramona is a mindless peon! Not exactly the mental image I have of that character... Few know their own mind better, I think.
 Oh you!
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
298
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:48:00 -
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Sarah McKnobbo wrote:So, is it a Star Trek or Babylon 5 name that you want to free up for your corp?
He's just having a sad because someone else already took Darth Vader 
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Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
138
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Posted - 2014.04.05 13:12:00 -
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Sarah McKnobbo wrote:Good time to suggest this. Just as CCP have an incentive program running to get people to resub.....
Yup, recalled into a hell of biomass and tax bills.  |
Marcia en Welle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2014.04.05 13:18:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:3: I want to call my corp something - oh look a guy made a corp with a similar name 6 years ago and hasn't logged in in over 5 years. It's a self explanatory issue.
This thread is basically, 'someone else has a name which I want so I'm going to cry about it on the forums.'
HTFU
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Dinger
Task Force Delta-14
7
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Posted - 2014.04.05 13:29:00 -
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Let's deal with the easy ones first.
1. Why wait so long? Personal opinion, but if someone hasn't subscribed within a week of their trial ending the odds are they're not going to, personally I'd delete them a week after the trial ends, even in 21 days (I believe the longest trial period available) most genuine trialers are not going to have amassed any significant resources anyway. Not to mention the fact that they won't have contributed anything towards the cost of the game.
4. I'd go one further, these POS are attackable yes but only with the twin costs of ISK for a wardec (and most likely a few mercs) and time to chew the tower down. Since POS can be fuelled for up to a month at a time and can be deployed and more importantly to this discussion undeployed in an matter of hours the only reason for one to go offline and sit in space is if it has been abandoned. So, give it a week's grace, if it sits offline for a week everything unanchors and first come first served.
For 2 and 3 your primary issue seems to be with one man corps, now as someone who has and still does (at least when I'm active) run a one man corp (me and my alts since giving up on nullsec a long time ago) I can tell you there are two reasons I created D-14:
1. I wanted to run a POS in empire to support my manufacturing base, this requires a player run corporation with the appropriate standings.
2. I had no intention of watching 11% of my income siphoned away in NPC corp taxes for nothing, I'd just left one environment where a sizeable chuck of player's efforts were appropriated for little to no return, I was not about to tolerate another.
The second of those reasons in my opinion is why we see so many one man corps these days and is a perfect example of the law of unintended consequences, people bitched and moaned and whined so much about players "hiding" in NPC corps that CCP finally acted against said players by slapping a tax on the NPC corps. What happened next was exactly what everyone who stood opposed to that said would happen, players started "hiding" in one man corps, dodging the tax in the process and changing absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Player corporations already have operating expenses, office rents, taxes on corp sell orders, usage charges for corp factory/lab jobs on NPC stations and so on, adding more on top of that may well "free up IP" from corps that don't run POS but you'll be straight back to square one as far as people in NPC corps go as people will simply go back to them if it's more expensive to stay outside of them.
Set that aside for a moment and your proposal still doesn't work. Deleting corporations (and their remaining assets if any) when the corporation has been abandoned (ie. membership = 0) makes sense as does deleting trial players who never subbed and unanchoring abandoned POS. But, as long as there is even one character who has at any time held a active subscription as part of a corporation it can't be done. That player active or otherwise has paid their way, their accounts and everything therein including any corporations they have created are just as "valid" as an active subscribers' unless and until CCP says otherwise. Even if you manage to find a justification for freeing up the names deleting the assets of someone who has at some point paid real money into the game and may come back at some point is hardly likely to encourage them to do so and to be fair serves no practical purpose anyway as the assets are inactive as it is.
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