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Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:19:00 -
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IGÇÖm not usually the type to call out gaming companies with my forum posts. This time IGÇÖm going to.
CCP is a very successful, clever and virtuous gaming company. But they do make mistakes.
Foremost among their mistakes is the power gap between the brand new player and the seasoned veteran.
There's about 3-4 months where a new player cannot fit a competitive PvP cruiser.
3-4 months, which is nothing compared to the years upon years the vets have had to hone their abilities.
3-4 months, which seems massive to new players.
I cannot overstate how discouraging a wait of this period is to prospective new customers.
They look at the state of the game and think "Wow, four months before I can even be effective? And then lets say I want to stop brawling with my Gallente ship and start kiting, I'll have to wait another two or three months to try that!?"
Now, most of the skill progression in EVE is balanced. CCP have done a wonderful job in letting the average age characters compete with the very old ones. No one wants the training time for a supercapital or titan reduced.
However, the first three months of the new player's game play should be radically overhauled.
Players should start with all the skills needed to fly one race's well fit t1 frigates and cruisers.
From there, they can decide what secondary ships and weapons systems they want to train to become more versatileGÇö or simply go up in size with their primary race.
The common argument against this is that it devalues the power of veterans.
But when you consider things carefully, 3-4 months is almost nothing to experienced players. In fact many of the skills we want to train take upwards of a month to complete anyway.
No, giving new players this level of starting SP would hardly affect experienced players.
But it would greatly affect new players. Many more people who try EVE for the first time would be retained and become paying customers.
In turn, this makes New Eden a more fun and exciting place for players like myself who have been around for a while.
Master trole 2014. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4374
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:20:00 -
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--> Features & Ideas Discussion
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This might help:
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
206
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:20:00 -
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lol
crap. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17738
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:23:00 -
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10 years of continual growth, with the odd hiccup, says that you're wrong.
Newbies have it far easier than they have at any time in the past when it comes to skills, I refer you to learning skills.
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Doireen Kaundur
597
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:24:00 -
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I dont think "pride" has anything to do with current game mechanics.
That's like asking a card dealer "swallow your pride and let me get an extra card."
A great American humorist and author recently said:
"The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices."
I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:25:00 -
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Hey, look, its another one of those instant gratification guys. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
365
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:25:00 -
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CCP I DEMAND YOU GIVE ME AN OFFICER FIT BATTLESHIP ON DAY ONE SO THAT I MIGHT CALL YOUR GAME BROKEN WHEN I LOSE IT HOURS LATER!
I have no problem with the current progression system and I am a few weeks younger than Diamond Zerg.
Ergo my opinion overrules his.
I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
5800
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:26:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:10 years of continual growth, with the odd hiccup, says that you're wrong. Newbies have it far easier than they have at any time in the past when it comes to skills, I refer you to learning skills.
That's the problem with some people. No matter how much you give them, they want more and more and more till there is nothing left.
CCP's mistake was in thinking they could satisfy the insatiable.
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Wulfgar WarHammer
Imperium Research Inc
67
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:30:00 -
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What's up with these threads today, anyways?
On-topic: -1 OP |
i-AA
Cream Pie Carpet Munchers
4
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:32:00 -
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I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."
Most people that play this game sure got the wrong perspective of what a sucessfull gaming company is at a business level.
Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.
But no one can help any of you anyways, youre far behind the times (most of you) so just keep going, maybe you'll catch up someday if you try hard.
Related to the thread: I dont agree with OP. I think CCP should stick to the plan as it would be no fair for older players (in this case) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
646
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:34:00 -
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Nope
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Jallukola
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:34:00 -
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New players get quite the boost already, but then again, what would it matter anymore if new players get acceleration to catch up. Most already have all the necessary skills trained, older players indeed would be unaffected by this, and would allow starting players and alts to get on the level.
True it's not asking for P2W layer, but it would this move result in nothing but an overinflux of alts, instead of new players. I wonder cause an alt doesen't truly contribute to the raw player count, and truly new players are IMO much welcomed, since they add directly to the population pool helping making EVE a tad bit more lively place. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
5800
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:35:00 -
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i-AA wrote:
Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.
Which has me wondering, how many players are online in the game YOU made?
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:35:00 -
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I wonder how many will fall for this obvious trollthread,
even when I mention that it's an obvious troll thread.
I'd love to write a scientific paper about the mindlessness of people. |
Doireen Kaundur
602
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:36:00 -
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i-AA wrote:I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."
Actually it's just a way of softening a target up before the attack whether you believe it or not.
It's like when someone says "Brandy, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be.....but..."
A great American humorist and author recently said:
"The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices."
I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
5801
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:39:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:i-AA wrote:I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.." Actually it's just a way of softening a target up before the attack whether you believe it or not. It's like when someone says "Brandy, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be.....but..."
My ex-wife is named Brandi (hint, never marry a women who has an 'I' where a 'Y' should be). Therefore you post is invalid.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
649
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:39:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:i-AA wrote:I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.." Actually it's just a way of softening a target up before the attack whether you believe it or not. It's like when someone says "Brandy, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be.....but..."
Doireen, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be.....but...
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-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively.
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
365
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:44:00 -
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i-AA wrote:I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."
Most people that play this game sure got the wrong perspective of what a sucessfull gaming company is at a business level.
Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.
But no one can help any of you anyways, youre far behind the times (most of you) so just keep going, maybe you'll catch up someday if you try hard.
Related to the thread: I dont agree with OP. I think CCP should stick to the plan as it would be no fair for older players (in this case)
And yet paying subscriber numbers keep growing as they always have. As if it matters if people are multiboxing and running alts.
And your 2/3 of all accounts statistic is completely pulled out of your ass.
And seeing 35-40k players ONLINE at ALL TIMES is a success. People live in different timezones, you know. And people do need to sleep. Multiply that number by twelve two-hour prime-time zones and you get a number close to the total subscribers.
Y U NO POST GOOD
I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17739
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:53:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:i-AA wrote:I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."
Most people that play this game sure got the wrong perspective of what a sucessfull gaming company is at a business level.
Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.
But no one can help any of you anyways, youre far behind the times (most of you) so just keep going, maybe you'll catch up someday if you try hard.
Related to the thread: I dont agree with OP. I think CCP should stick to the plan as it would be no fair for older players (in this case) And yet paying subscriber numbers keep growing as they always have. As if it matters if people are multiboxing and running alts. And your 2/3 of all accounts statistic is completely pulled out of your ass. And seeing 35-40k players ONLINE at ALL TIMES is a success. People live in different timezones, you know. And people do need to sleep. Multiply that number by twelve two-hour prime-time zones and you get a number close to the total subscribers. Y U NO POST GOOD Shitposting is an art, i-AA is a rank amateur.
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Budrick3
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
33
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:54:00 -
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You do not have to train perfect skills for everything. You can train to 3 or 4 and consider the meta game.
Specialize in something like one particular cruiser and you will do fine.
Dont be a jack of all trades and master of none. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
511
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:59:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I wonder how many will fall for this obvious trollthread,
even when I mention that it's an obvious troll thread.
I'd love to write a scientific paper about the mindlessness of people.
Yes, I'm sure you're an expert in the field of mindlessness. |
Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
272
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:07:00 -
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The novelty factor with MMOs is over.
They've existed for a very long time now.
People aren't starting a new game to play for the sake of doing so. They're looking for one where they feel they're being rewarded for the amount of time they invest.
As is, a new player can Log in once every 24 hours, for 2 minutes at a time for 2 months straight resulting in a total of 120 minutes of game time, and still be at just about the same level of capability as a new player who logged in every day and spent 6 hours a day for a total of 720 hours of game play.
It's understandable how it's easy to arrive at the conclusion that a new player isn't expected, or even required to play the game. Not a very compelling reason to convince someone to pay $15 a month for what could very well take a year to reach a level to be able to finally start playing the game in a manner that will allow you to fund your game time with your game time and not your dollars.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
209
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:11:00 -
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Seems like summer is coming when these "i need more SP faster, faster, WAAAAAGGGHHHH" posts start to appear".
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
210
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:13:00 -
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Baneken wrote:Seems like summer is coming when these "i need more SP faster, faster, WAAAAAGGGHHHH" posts start to appear".
No, he's trolling and he's obviously doing it right. |
Thead Enco
47th Ronin
130
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:15:00 -
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buy plex + Character bazzar = I can fly all the things.
But if your currently a college student or "that weird guy" stalking the gaming section at best buy, this game is not for everybody (insert Captain Picard theres the door HERE)
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
653
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:16:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:The novelty factor with MMOs is over.
They've existed for a very long time now.
.
 wait wat!?
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-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively.
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Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries
Limitless Inc.
16
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:19:00 -
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no, training time is fine.
as a newish player myself (less than 1 year) I find that training time very nicely coincides with my personal skill of actually piloting whatever I'm training for.
right now I'm a bit behind, but I blew 3 months of training on PI skills (2 alts and this guy) |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2577
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:33:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:
There's about 3-4 months where a new player cannot fit a competitive PvP cruiser.
Then they should stop trying to fly cruisers.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2581
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:37:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
As is, a new player can Log in once every 24 hours, for 2 minutes at a time for 2 months straight resulting in a total of 120 minutes of game time, and still be at just about the same level of capability as a new player who logged in every day and spent 6 hours a day for a total of 720 hours of game play.
If you define 'capability' solely by the number of SP that a character has, you're doing it wrong. Being able to park your character in a particular hull does not automatically make you capable of flying it effectively, especially as pertains to PvP. A new player that spends those hours learning to fit, fly, and fight, is going to drag the other guy with his 120 minutes over the coals the majority of the time.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1429
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:37:00 -
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if i'm not mistaken previous thread about this very subject was born like.... yesterday?
It looks like organized group of people. Or just one person trying to make people think that this subject is somehow new and interesting....
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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