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Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:21:00 -
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I miss the old days of being a new player. Those first few weeks/months were priceless. Fond memories. Finding people to form a gang with. Going into low sec and getting blasted. Or trying to roam in a Geddon in null with just T1 fit and no warp to zero.
Sorry what was the OP complaining about, again? |

Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:If people didn't want things faster, then EvE wouldn't exist.
There would've been no need to travel faster than light because they'd have been content with whatever slow ass "back in my day" methods they used to get from place to place.
Interceptors top speed would be 10meters a second because every other ship would be content with traveling 1m/s. I can't believe you actually posted this. Have you ever read through his post history? I can totally believe he posted something that stupid. I'm just shocked he hasn't been banned yet.
Well unlike you I'm not actually breaking any rules so there's not a reason for me to be banned.
For example,
I view my posts and search the word "idiot", and there's only 4 instances(5 now with this post) and they were all embedded in quotes, without me calling anyone that word even once.
I view your posts and search the word Idiot, and there's 37.
According to the "Forum rules", here where it's pretty obvious you've never read because you're constantly breaking them by disrespecting people you're choosing to argue with, https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules?_ga=1.214663316.2087503584.1397162165 You have much more of a case for being banned than I do. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Juan Diolosa
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
9
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:37:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:[...]craziness [...] No.Just.No. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4598
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:38:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: Well unlike you I'm not actually breaking any rules so there's not a reason for me to be banned.
You made half a dozen perma ban level statements in the recent threadnaught. In fact, I didn't see you again for about a week after it was finally torpedoed by the mods, so I suspect you got a week forum ban for it. Slap on the wrist after all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
280
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:03:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: Well unlike you I'm not actually breaking any rules so there's not a reason for me to be banned.
You made half a dozen perma ban level statements in the recent threadnaught. In fact, I didn't see you again for about a week after it was finally torpedoed by the mods, so I suspect you got a week forum ban for it. Slap on the wrist after all.
Which one?
I can honestly say I've never been warned for anything I've posted. Though considering I'm not suppose to discuss decisions regarding moderation, saying I've never been warned might be deemed an infringment which might result in one.
I don't know what to do. Do I state the fact, rolling the dice? Or not clarify the incorrect conclusion you've arrived at?
They say we get 3, so here's my go at it. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4601
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:06:00 -
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You want to know the funny part?
I've never been banned from this forum, or gotten a warning either. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
280
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:10:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You want to know the funny part?
I've never been banned from this forum, or gotten a warning either.
Yea, the forum seems pretty lenient. I like it. The mods tend to let a conversation apex before they jump in and scrub it out.
Unless of course it spirals into a flame fest, which they seem to jump in and squash relatively quickly. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2168
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:14:00 -
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Doesn't take 3 to 4 months to train frig 4 scram web and t1 frig mods. You can be PvPing as a tackler in a matter of days. Hours if your not fussy. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
683
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:48:00 -
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divine, if you do manage to get yourself banned, can you leave it till the morning? ill need something to read with my coffee. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
14
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Posted - 2014.04.12 02:01:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:
However, the first three months of the new player's game play should be radically overhauled. Players should start with all the skills needed to fly one race's well fit t1 frigates and cruisers. From there, they can decide what secondary ships and weapons systems they want to train to become more versatileGÇö or simply go up in size with their primary race.
TL;DR - We all had to start somewhere and it used to be way more harsh to progress. New players will never appreciate how great they have it, nor care about the fact CCP has taken huge strides in the past couple of years to cut months off skill training time to get into ships.
I'm not sure why these types of posts keep popping up, but EVE has always been a game about choices. It rewards those who plan ahead. It was like this when I trained up my core skills and we all had to go through it. I made many mistakes that slowed my goals along the way. There weren't a multitude of guides on how to do everything like there is today, so I had to fumble around a bit.
Let's look at how Skill training used to work and why the game is vastly better and faster now in regards to training:
1) I originally had to spend about 3-4 months training "learning skills" on more than one pilot to help them learn faster. I didn't learn cruisers, frigates or anything. I was just learning how to learn. For months.
2) I also dealt with something called bloodlines - which made my character learn at a much slower rate FOR YEARS since min/max as Intaki was impossible. Achura OP.
3) Also, I didn't have remaps - this was introduced long after I started. Remaps are a blessing.
4) I lost a ton of skill points to not having a skill queue. If I was at work when my skill was done, I couldn't queue up a new skill - the functionality simply didn't exist. The alternate solution was to bounce between skills and figure out what I should train and when I switch training so I could continue training without physically managing my queue when a skill completed - this meant I had many 1/2 learned skilled and it took longer to get a net gain in a skill. I also would have to alarm clock skills in order to be efficient when I was actually at a computer to manage my pilots. This type of system was worse than a digital farm, especially if you had many alts
Let's look at why it's great to be a newbie in the current iteration of EVE.
1) Fozzie and Rise: It's good to fly tech 1 these days. Really good. I've gone back to tech 1 ships because they are basically as good as t2 variants. The tiericide has done amazing things for this game and frankly I'm impressed. The frigate/destroyer/cruiser experience these days are a joy. New players have no idea how great they have it. I recently started a FW alt and wanted to see what it was like to be thrown into PVP very early on. I found that I was competitive in an Atron within 1 week. I wasn't OP or anything, but I was *gasp* having fun.
2) CCP fixed skill points to make it very fast to get into the next level of ship. Do you need to train Battleship V to get into dreads anymore? No. You don't even need Battleship IV. Do you need Small blaster spec, medium blaster spec trained to get to Large blaster spec? No. By changing ship or mod requirements they've essentially given you weeks/months/years off your training to master the type of ship you actually want to fly. Neat!
3) Fozzie just announced drone mechanics and drone skill changes that will make a new players ability to use drones more effectively, basically allowing new players to put off a few months of drone training until they are ready to perfect it. Amazing. They've basically doubled your drone damage for absolutely nothing in return.
4) I've started new pilots during different eras: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, and 2013 and starting around 2011 - my pilot was able to skill up pretty quick comparatively with proper planning. Since many older players are nice enough to write guides for new players, having a plan for your pilot should be as easy as a Google search. Since there are so many guides out there that are helpful the last guy to complain about skill system said that the learning curve was conquered within one month only and he was ready for blops, dreads, carriers, and all t3's. He didn't mention how he had billions in assets it takes to build/buy these ships after one month, but he seemed ready and skill points were the only thing holding him back. Frankly it took me a couple of years to really understand the intricacies of the game. Knowledge is power.
You should be up and running in t1 frigates, destroyers and cruisers within 3 months easily, not 9 months like the old days.
So I understand why new people think they should be given free stuff that none of us veterans had - but I have not seen a good reason why they should be given special treatment over countless others that went through the process, especially in light of how much CCP recently freed up your training queue by lowering requirements across the board and how veterans are giving you guides for free that allow you to sidestep making disastrous mistakes on your pilot. If you are a month old and have 40 billion isk to buy shiny toys and fleets of ships, you may as well visit the character bizarre too if your 2 million skill points are slowing down your adventure. It's not like CCP didn't give you a mechanism to acquire high skill point pilots. Just my two cents. |

Zarda Sulan
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.12 02:13:00 -
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I HATED it at the start due to low skills- I was one who had to train the "learning skills" before they got removed but i can say one thing from my experience.......you may hate it at the start but your will LOVE it once you trained up - it makes you really appreciate the game more and you really start to love your character knowing you put the time and effort into it!
You must learn patience and perseverance....... it makes that reward you get feel well earned! You will get the respect from the other pilots as well if you put your time in...this isn't a game where you can have everything given to you on a silver plate you have to EARN it like all those that have come before you and will come after you!
Peace out - and happy space hunting
PS - there are loads of things you can do as a starter pilot- my friend who has just started out has taken a very clever and wise path and he has just started playing the game- he is training to be a logistics pilot - he can do that at a very early part of the game and be effective in his corp and help them out and they help him out- all the time he can continue to train his combat skills and other skills! Or you can mine if you want- do research etc etc- you are not stuck doing nothing at the start!
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Alastair Ormand
Badger Badger Badger Apocalypse Now.
62
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Posted - 2014.04.12 02:31:00 -
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I waited 20+ days for my Eris interdictor. Now that I have it. The wait was well worth it and I've been involved in many gang kills because of its bubble.
All about patience my friend. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
554
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Posted - 2014.04.12 02:55:00 -
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No, there is no need to speed progression for anyone. There are some concession in the game now that will see new players to a point where they are not completely out of sorts in the game. There is no need to ruin the game by making it a parody of every other MMO out there. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |

Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
112
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:28:00 -
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This again -.-
IB4L Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |

Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
220
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:34:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:i-AA wrote:I stopped reading at: "very successful, virtuous gaming company.."
Most people that play this game sure got the wrong perspective of what a sucessfull gaming company is at a business level.
Calling out 35k (TOONS) - 2/3 are alts, online on average success, is a VERY distorted view of reality.
But no one can help any of you anyways, youre far behind the times (most of you) so just keep going, maybe you'll catch up someday if you try hard.
Related to the thread: I dont agree with OP. I think CCP should stick to the plan as it would be no fair for older players (in this case) And yet paying subscriber numbers keep growing as they always have. As if it matters if people are multiboxing and running alts. And your 2/3 of all accounts statistic is completely pulled out of your ass. And seeing 35-40k players ONLINE at ALL TIMES is a success. People live in different timezones, you know. And people do need to sleep. Multiply that number by twelve two-hour prime-time zones and you get a number close to the total subscribers. Y U NO POST GOOD
it's still a 92% loss rate on subscribers. Over all the product is a very low performer hence why we see so many side projects being launched. Because EVE has practically exhausted its customer base. LP store weapon cost rebalance |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20649
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:37:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:it's still a 92% loss rate on subscribers. What is that number based on? Are you saying that 5.6 million EVE accounts have been opened?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
26
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:44:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:*Walks into thread, pulls a seat*
1) there are 2 other GD threads on the same GD topic. Use the F-ing search feature.
2) Who's alt are you? seriously this is rediulously stupid.
3) I;m old, in eve years (10, 33 irl) I HATE repeating myself. But clearly people will not listen, so I might as well...
Copy and Pate from another thread on the EXACT same GD topic.
Obligitory TL;DR.. no that should be "Too damn old in eve, and don't give a crap"
I have been here for 10 bloody years. So I was playing eve before you even knew what a jove was. Back when Jove were CCP and we hoped we could eventually play them. *Glares at ccp*
So a few things, 1) What the hells is with all the whine threads about skill points and waititng lately? I seriously don't under stand it. Are you all alts of the same dude or something?
2) You clearly have ZERO idea how the game works. None, zip, noda. Let me explain, and this will be very simple. I have 120m skill points(yes low for 10 years, no implants, sue me), and a few days ago, I died to someone under a year.. twice.
3) You are looking at the game completely wrong. EvE is not WoW in space, EvE is not what Star Citizen thinks it will be, EvE is not GD checkers. EvE is a game of choices, opportunity, planning, and chess. If you don't have the mind for chess, eve is not for you.
4) I can prolly list off the top of my head about 20 things you can easily do in eve whithen one single day of training. Maybe a week max. They are:
1) mining 2) Refnining 3) mission running 4) belt ratting 5) Ninja Salvage 6) Piracy (yup you can gank pitates in a damn frig) 7) Gate Camping 8) Cyno operator 9) CEO 10) Explorer 11) Worm Hole worker (can easily do a c1 solow in a cruiser/bc, takes maybe 2-4 weeks of training) 12) Scaming 13) Trader 14) Builder 15) Scientist 16) Scout 17) Tackler 18) Bounty Hunter 19) AFK Cloaker 20) Basic logistics and EW
5) I just listed 20 task, you can do, easily, from my ass. If I had tiem to research more I could put down 100 more. The problem is not that eve is a 'wait to play' game, the problem is you. You have no imagination and you are looking at things like huge fleet fights and going 'ooooh that's ALL I want to do' Thus limiting what you can do.
That's it in a nut shell. You are looking at eve completely wrong. Because of that, you will never see the potential for what you can do now. So what if you can't jump into a T2 battle ship with T2/faction gear. This is not WoW, STG, STO, etc. Faction and Tech 2 != win. If you can not fly or know your ship you will die. The linerar training is for this reason. Its the same with Real life, just because you take a month of karate you should not be able to beat a 10th degree black belt. However, if you have someone who has just jumped into being trained and has a black belt he did not earn, you as a white or yellow belt who have taken traning should easily ship his ass.
One more exsample, just because I know how to drive a pinto doenslt mean I can drive for NASCAR.
Stop looking at eve likes its WoW, because its not. If you can not do that, then you will fail in eve and should give me yoru stuff now and return to whatever mmo you came from.
Change your thinking, as the issue is you, not eve.
STOP FAILING AT EVE! *taps shoulder
"Your cane, sir. You left it in the last thread."
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1368
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Posted - 2014.04.12 04:19:00 -
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I laugh whenever some wide-eyed newbie thinks that what's holding him back is his SP.
If you gave everyone in eve 300 million SP, you'd still have the same number of titans and supers, and they'd still be in the same hands. The successful blops groups, and whose invloved in them, wouldn't change a single bit. The good solo pvp'ers and good FC's would still be good. The mediocre players would still be wallowing in their own mediocrity. |

Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
707
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Posted - 2014.04.12 04:41:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:... Foremost among their mistakes is the power gap between the brand new player and the seasoned veteran. There's about 3-4 months where a new player cannot fit a competitive PvP cruiser. 3-4 months, which is nothing compared to the years upon years the vets have had to hone their abilities. 3-4 months, which seems massive to impatient instant-gratification kids who need to go back to whatever non CCP game they came from yo.....
Fixed that for you. Now that we've disposed of the foremost among their mistakes i can regale you of my nostalgic memories of when raves were pockets of real anarchy, before this zombified worship of DJs, who until then were invisible. Went to a rave and saw row upon row of fools looking at some dude with his tables, none of them having fun, every last one of them knowing all about DJing and how raves should be run. Thank you for bringing your lifeless consumption to something i enjoy, please post an essay on your years of game developing experience.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Rob Kashuken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.04.12 05:24:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Rob Kashuken wrote:As a new player (couple of months in) I think that skill progression is fine.
Takes a few minutes to get the basic concept, takes a few days or weeks (obviously dependent on the skill multiplier level) to get a good handle on it (skill level IV).
The more difficult skills take longer.
The only change that I would make is to have the skill queue for more than 24 hours, say a a week or so. Problem with a longer skill queue, is that does not incentivize logging into the game, where you have even the smallest chance to effect the sandbox. It instead promotes playing Skill Queue: Online, which is totally not fun. Just saying.  lol, not a very good sign. It's pretty obvious that his new player experience has coerced him into feeling that he wishes he could spend less time logging/logged in. What's wrong new player, you don't enjoy spending 1 hour running level 1 missions to earn only 1/60th the amount of ISK a veteran makes in the same amount of time?
I think that you're reading a bit much into my post.
I'm coming from a MMO where things are rapidly heading to not much more than an 'I win' button for all fights, I came to Eve precisely because it is more challenging, vastly so.
I'm finding the game fun enough, i'm logging in for about 3 hours daily, which is all that I really have time for... which pretty much limits me to the casual player status from what I've seen. Whilst this character is pretty much just a mission runner, I've an alt that is more pvp focussed, and whilst that guy currently has 0 kills, it is fun enough, and I'm still learning how to go about it... which is probably owing as much to player learning as any skill learning.
As a case in point, my AC thrasher (on that alt) was recently taken out by a Crow, in which I did absolutely no damage to him owing to range mechanics. And was subsequently podded, which was a shock, as I'd not experienced Interceptor insta-locks previously. The pilot of that ship was older by a few months than I - I don't expect to win against that person, however the loss did teach me something (largely, don't hang around if there's an inty about)
Which is a lesson that the player learnt, and is something that sitting with a high skill queue won't.
That said, I'd like a longer skill queue, as it would allow for me to manage my skill training pattern easier - that character is following a plan, and the fewer times I need to access out of game programs and fiddle with the queue is more time that I can spend playing and learning the game mechanics. |

Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
101
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:32:00 -
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To the people claiming you can be powerful at PVP before the 3 month mark: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp?
You need t2 tank, t2 drones, t2 guns and decent support skills to be even mildly effective.
Having brand new players have to wait to be even mildly effective in combat, imo, does not make sense and discourages a lot of people who are playing the game for the first time. Master trole 2014. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4613
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:38:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:To the people claiming you can be powerful at PVP before the 3 month mark: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp?
You need t2 tank, t2 drones, t2 guns and decent support skills to be even mildly effective.
Having brand new players have to wait to be even mildly effective in combat, imo, does not make sense and discourages a lot of people who are playing the game for the first time.
Except none of those things are true. New players can be plenty effective in PvP.
Can they do this literally right out of the starting gate? No. This is an RPG, after all. But can a player with less than 3 months worth of skillpoint tackle someone for a small gang and get in on the kill? Hell yes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
342
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:09:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:To the people claiming you can be powerful at PVP before the 3 month mark: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp? You need t2 tank, t2 drones, t2 guns and decent support skills to be even mildly effective.
Having brand new players have to wait to be even mildly effective in combat, imo, does not make sense and discourages a lot of people who are playing the game for the first time.
Yes, and incorrect. You don't even have any kills at all. The only difference is that you need to pick your fights. You can't blindly engage everything. Hell there's 2-3 month old characters in FW corps with already over 500 kills. Just stop being so bad, stop whining, find some people to play with, and start racking up the kills.
Besides, is it any different in any other game? You're like that level 15 guy in WoW whining the fully geared 90s ganked him. Get over it. It takes a bit of time to level up, get gear, ... Stop being so self entitled and in God's name stop being do helpless. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
567
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:13:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:To the people claiming you can be powerful at PVP before the 3 month mark: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp? .
So the benchmark is not just be effective at PvP ... but you must also be able to solo amall gangs of more experienced players ??
Diamond Zerg wrote:You need t2 tank, t2 drones, t2 guns and decent support skills to be even mildly effective..
Even if this silly claim were true, you can be in a T2 assault frigate with T2 guns in less than 8 weeks.
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Having brand new players have to wait to be even mildly effective in combat, imo, does not make sense and discourages a lot of people who are playing the game for the first time.
If it were actually the case it would not make sense. But the limiting factor is player knowledge not SP.
Not really sure why I am posting in yet another "I suck at EVE but blame the SP system" thread.
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2128
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:14:00 -
[115] - Quote
Diamond Zerg wrote:IGÇÖm not usually the type to call out gaming companies with my forum posts. This time IGÇÖm going to. CCP is a very successful, clever and virtuous gaming company. But they do make mistakes.
Foremost among their mistakes is the power gap between the brand new player and the seasoned veteran. There's about 3-4 months where a new player cannot fit a competitive PvP cruiser. 3-4 months, which is nothing compared to the years upon years the vets have had to hone their abilities. 3-4 months, which seems massive to new players.
I cannot overstate how discouraging a wait of this period is to prospective new customers. They look at the state of the game and think "Wow, four months before I can even be effective? And then lets say I want to stop brawling with my Gallente ship and start kiting, I'll have to wait another two or three months to try that!?"
Now, most of the skill progression in EVE is balanced. CCP have done a wonderful job in letting the average age characters compete with the very old ones. No one wants the training time for a supercapital or titan reduced.
However, the first three months of the new player's game play should be radically overhauled. Players should start with all the skills needed to fly one race's well fit t1 frigates and cruisers. From there, they can decide what secondary ships and weapons systems they want to train to become more versatileGÇö or simply go up in size with their primary race.
To the people who claim you can be powerful in PVP within the first three months: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp? You need T2 guns, T2 tank, T2 drones and decent support skills to be even mildly effective.
The common argument against this is that it devalues the power of veterans. But when you consider things carefully, 3-4 months is almost nothing to experienced players. In fact many of the skills we want to train take upwards of a month to complete anyway.
No, giving new players this level of starting SP would hardly affect experienced players. But it would greatly affect new players. Many more people who try EVE for the first time would be retained and become paying customers. In turn, this makes New Eden a more fun and exciting place for players like myself who have been around for a while.
And with that buff they'll be able to fly ships they have totally no knowledge about and instead of loosing a 5m frig they'll loose a 30m cruiser , be broke and leave the game.
The good thing with slow progress is you get to know your modules/ships .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1369
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:18:00 -
[116] - Quote
Diamond Zerg wrote:To the people claiming you can be powerful at PVP before the 3 month mark: have you ever tried solo, duo or trio pvp? Yes, all the time. Next question.
Diamond Zerg wrote: You need t2 tank, t2 drones, t2 guns and decent support skills to be even mildly effective.
First of all, on a frigate t2 guns takes like 2 weeks, tops. Second, none of those things are required for solo or fleet work. You mentioned T2 drones? Screw 'em, use Hornet ec-300's. Induce maximum rage in your opponents.
Diamond Zerg wrote:Having brand new players have to wait to be even mildly effective in combat, imo, does not make sense and discourages a lot of people who are playing the game for the first time. You're right, that doesn't make sense. Good thing it isn't true. |

Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
122
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:21:00 -
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I'm still quite happy if this forces people away from EVE.
Because the the next step for peeps who got a candy from mommy every time they cried about it would be: "CCP, I cant find a target I can kill, so make everybody in local show up in overview". "CCP, tracking needs to be removed, I'm not hitting my target" "CCP, we need a respawnpoint, I lost my ship with +5 purple zapgun"
Or other stuff like that.
So those that do keep playing, patiently building skillpoints, patiently doing whatever they want with their current skillpoints, patiently learning the game, patiently building new stories for themselves while in this spaceship sandbox, those that play THEIR own game... they're going to find and kill me some day.
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Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:39:00 -
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Just double the isk rewards in level 1 and level 2 missions.
Or make it so level 1 and level 2 missions pay up to two 1.5mil SP characters full bounty/isk rewards to encourage new people to want to team up. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
100
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:08:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Just double the isk rewards in level 1 and level 2 missions.
Or make it so level 1 and level 2 missions pay up to two 1.5mil SP characters full bounty/isk rewards to encourage new people to want to team up.
I was going to say i agree with you on 1's and 2's, and i do in a way.
Then i remembered what i was like as a newbie. I looted absolutely everything. The real value of 1s and 2s is in the loot drops and i think i like it that way. Finding an awesome module to use or sell for nice iskies is definitely a good feeling. The path i think most players take is salvaging the mats and that's where the isk is anyways. I didn't and still don't care about the mission reward isks because they are low compared to salvage and the bounties at the end of the day. |

Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:29:00 -
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OP needs a brain enema..
... starts by bullshit praising CCP and their coke addled development plans to maximise returns without a real in depth thought passing their collective heads.
... then moans that progression is slow, but to the players that made eve and gave it its street cred (aka bitter vets) it is now so fast and hand held its a clone of every other mass marketed game. A 3 month old cant fit a cruiser, but they can use a frig and join a gang, that is how the goons rose to power when hand holding in the early stages were nigh on non existent.
.. lots of verbal mast or bation later OP wants to be gifted 2m skill points at start so he can feel 1337.
TLDR: OP... Sadly eve is like making love, a slow gradual process, the pleasure of which increases as you progress until it takes you over and blows your mind.
OP is just after date-grape where they prematurely ejaculate because he/she/it lacks the education/skill/understanding/critical thinking/self control to know any better, therefore the need for the brain enema.
Please forgive misspellings as CCP filters words with multiple meanings due to age rating which is irrelevant in the game we all play, yeah SNAFU at work already dead, just haven-¦t fallen over yet.... |
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