General Discussion is like a traffic jam in New York. An open forum for the free exchange of ideas.

This is seriously worse then f-ing traffic. Every time I look at the forums I want to bash my damn head into the wall to stop the pain.

The 1% rule of internet culture applies.


90% of the people are mere generic players

9% modify existing content.

1% creates content.



We are the 1%.

there aren't any npc forum alts ingame

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

Half of the trolls here never got past the NPE complexity of the game so last resort to be a "member" of the community they troll their ways here.

/c

Insightful, honest, intelligent and damn spot on post describing posting on the inter webs.

Half of the trolls here never got past the NPE complexity of the game so last resort to be a "member" of the community they troll their ways here.

/c

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

I like Snow.

Think of the game as a penitentiary. Some convicts are in for life and they've been around for a long time, they play cards and power games at the tables furthest back from the guards, other convicts stay clear and show respect. The penitentiary is home. They've got their habits there, and they don't like change. Change is bad, it's taken them years to reach their current status, to establish themselves. Change can only be for the worse.

New inmates now ... New inmates do not know the rules, new inmates talk too much, new inmates do not show proper respect, new inmates threaten the status-quo. New inmates are change. Change is bad. Even worse, new inmates have not proved themselves, they have earned nothing. New inmates need to understand their place at the bottom ... or be dealt with.

The forum is the recreational area when convicts and inmates are thrown together ...

Think of the game as a penitentiary. Some convicts are in for life and they've been around for a long time, they play cards and power games at the tables furthest back from the guards, other convicts stay clear and show respect. The penitentiary is home. They've got their habits there, and they don't like change. Change is bad, it's taken them years to reach their current status, to establish themselves. Change can only be for the worse.

New inmates now ... New inmates do not know the rules, new inmates talk too much, new inmates do not show proper respect, new inmates threaten the status-quo. New inmates are change. Change is bad. Even worse, new inmates have not proved themselves, they have earned nothing. New inmates need to understand their place at the bottom ... or be dealt with.

The forum is the recreational area when convicts and inmates are thrown together ...

Think of the game as a penitentiary. Some convicts are in for life and they've been around for a long time, they play cards and power games at the tables furthest back from the guards, other convicts stay clear and show respect. The penitentiary is home. They've got their habits there, and they don't like change. Change is bad, it's taken them years to reach their current status, to establish themselves. Change can only be for the worse.

New inmates now ... New inmates do not know the rules, new inmates talk too much, new inmates do not show proper respect, new inmates threaten the status-quo. New inmates are change. Change is bad. Even worse, new inmates have not proved themselves, they have earned nothing. New inmates need to understand their place at the bottom ... or be dealt with.

The forum is the recreational area where convicts and inmates are thrown together ...

At least EVE doesn't have humanoid character models, otherwise we'd have the "adult version" fan drawings to deal with too.

I guess you haven't seen the boobies on Chribba's latest PlayThing centerfold.

there aren't any npc forum alts ingame

Best joke I heard all week.

I've noticed you being far more present ...
... and far more aggressive as of late.

Well ... far more aggressive ... for your standards at least.

These are, to me, the only toxic element here.

Well, assuming he's (former) Solstice Project, ha has created a ton of content in game.
I have too, even if in another way.

Unfortunately there is also a small squadron of dedicated stonewall/whitewash/spin alts whos assigned purpose is to disrupt certain topics in favor of vested interests. These are, to me, the only toxic element here. There can be no constructive discussion with people intent on sabotaging it. Communication is a very fragile thing, especially in a text based format where they can get away with lack of intellectual integrity and honesty that in a IRL face-to-face situation wouls have the entire room of wider participants just staring at them shaking their heads, facepalming, saying "what is this **** doing".

Unfortunately there is also a small squadron of dedicated stonewall/whitewash/spin alts whos assigned purpose is to disrupt certain topics in favor of vested interests. These are, to me, the only toxic element here. There can be no constructive discussion with people intent on sabotaging it. Communication is a very fragile thing, especially in a text based format where they can get away with lack of intellectual integrity and honesty that in a IRL face-to-face situation wouls have the entire room of wider participants just staring at them shaking their heads, facepalming, saying "what is this **** doing".

This from the guy who is on record saying "Maybe I'll read the newspaper and find that someone tracked down a griefer irl and murdered him. And I'll laugh".

You're the single most toxic poster on these forums since Ace Uoweme. And that's something, considering you don't talk about feminism or world of warcraft nonstop like she did.

You do not have any room to lecture anyone about "toxic" posting.

AAAH and Tippia also joins in to so exactly the same.

So transparent. So dilettante.

I posted by observations about the existance of a toxic cadre of posters.

Thanks for identifying yourselves, though I did not name you.

And I posted that your observations match you to a T.

You're confusing me with you, and your subsequent posting has indeed shown that you match your observations. If you don't like the implications of what you said and of your own behaviour, only you are in the position to change that (and you really should).

Until then, though, you are that toxic element you're decrying.

Did you set me as blue, Tippia?
The forum shows that I have set you to blue, but so far I didn't.
I've noticed these weird hiccups to happen.

Did you set me as blue, Tippia?
The forum shows that I have set you to blue, but so far I didn't.
I've noticed these weird hiccups to happen.

So, OP, there you go.
I believe there is the answer to your question, proved by their own behavior.

As you see, mere mention of this toxic group is all it took for them to respond in their toxic manner.

The two most toxic posters are present in this thread.
Poster D is mostly ignored now, with his :Moral High Ground: stance posts. Which have grown old, tired and boring.
Poster S is simply delusional, but he does admit to wanting to laugh and applaud, at someone being beaten up in RL. Which only shows his true nature.

Troll baiting continues

FWIW neither adds any value...

Aahhh NPC alt.
Should have checked before.

The worst of all. A coward that doesn't post with his main.

No point continuing this.

This thread was fine and benign enough to begin with.
Notice at what point it became toxic, and as a result of whos posts?

Imagine we where all sitting at a table, drinking beer,

a small squadron of dedicated stonewall/whitewash/spin alts whos assigned purpose is to disrupt certain topics in favor of vested interests

While I freely admit to not posting with my main(s), I am at least in a player corp. So let's not break out the broad brush here.

Which shows that you're not an NPC alt,
so it doesn't apply to you anyway. :)

Besides, you don't post crap like so many of them.

Imagine we where all sitting at a table, drinking beer.

I imagined that, and then I thought about your posting.

Then I imagined myself asking you to bring me the bottle, and pouring it myself.

It's with much irony that you say that from an NPC corp, Sol, lol.

Should have kept a holder in ISMETA.



*edit

Make no mistake, I do not like Poster S. Their moral compass if far too off for me.

Wishing harm on an awesome person and their family.

For shame.

Better watch out. Mag's already posted on their mentality. They might retort with trying to smash the beer over your head.

I'd be sad.

Half of the trolls here never got past the NPE complexity of the game so last resort to be a "member" of the community they troll their ways here.

/c

Aahhh NPC alt.
Should have checked before.

The worst of all. A coward that doesn't post with his main.

No point continuing this.

you can finish mine. Jonah passed it to me.

That monocle... it's like a double monocle...

you can finish mine. Jonah passed it to me.

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

The forums are not an accurate representation of the playerbase - CCP has said in the past only a small percentage of players even look at the forums. You have to understand that a certain pathology dominates which keeps the majority of normal reasonable people out.

I don't think the Eve forums are that different from most other game forums or the comments section on most websites. Look at the bottom of any news article even from venerable news organisations and the comments are mostly dominated by idiots, extremists and conspiracy theorists, trolls etc.

In most spheres of life there is some sort of hierarchy or system governing how much credibility people are given. For example you know you should probably give at least some credibility to what your university lecturer says because he's been vetted by staff at the university and is likely an intelligent individual with experience and knowledge in their field. You know that colleagues at work who have 20 years experience in the same industry are more likely able to offer you better insight regarding your work than the raving lunatic stumbling around the streets outside the office. Real life provides clues as to who you are dealing with and whether you should listen to or if it's worth engaging with them.

Total anonymity online removes that metric of credibility and allows people to say things and behave in ways they wouldn't in public. It creates a race to the bottom where extreme opinions and behavior dominate and this drives out the normal people that want to talk like adults. Also the dunning-kruger effects means people of low ability/understanding are much more likely to express themselves than those whose opinions are tempered with knowledge/experience.

Basically the level of conversation and maturity displayed by people goes down the toilet leaving just the few people that are willing to swim in **** behind. The stench puts off anyone else from joining in.

If you hang around for a bit, you'll see most of the shitposting come from the same few guys, mostly pushing one agenda or another or following some pattern of posting crap/trolling. Just like most of the people you meet in real life probably seem decent and reasonable, most eve players likely are too. The forums are mostly where the dregs and the marginalised weirdos hang out and shouldn't be confused with Eve-players as a whole.

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

I really don't get why people waste so much time fighting on forums but to each his/her own.

Forum is a different mini-game.

If EVE were to die, the forum would still prosper.

It's turned into a competition of who is the most edgy / biggest prick with same people popping up all the time.

Bores the **** off me

Forum is a different mini-game.

If EVE were to die, the forum would still prosper.

Half of the trolls here never got past the NPE complexity of the game so last resort to be a "member" of the community they troll their ways here.

/c

I expect this thread to continue to be, and grow into an even better demonstration of the OP's observation that the forums are littered with hate.

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

There is a group of people within the game who actively attempt to influence the design philosophy of the game in a direction that is beneficial to them, and detrimental to me.

Nice tinfoil hattery.

its because you have people making stupid topics. Then they go 'oh I want to talk about this stupid topic.... I see a thread about stupid topic, but mine is better so.." *makes new thread about stupid topic* Then you get ANOTHER person goes "gee, two threads about stupid topic, do I post in one of the other stupid threads? naw i'll make a totally NEW thread!" *yet another thread about the same damn stupid topic*

This is seriously worse then f-ing traffic. Every time I look at the forums I want to bash my damn head into the wall to stop the pain.

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

For more good-natured discussion try to look at some of the more specific subforums, or ask help questions in New Citizens Q&A.

You hear that guys?! Those snobby sub forums think they are better then us!

I say we go **** up the place, show them the pecking order damnit!

YEA, ima go spam yo momma jokes in Ships and Modules, because screw those guys!!!!

We can shoot the idiots in game, unfortunately nobody has invented something that lets us shoot them on the forums.

Although certain players have a reputation for rewarding shitposting with ingame consequences

For more good-natured discussion try to look at some of the more specific subforums, or ask help questions in New Citizens Q&A.

Soooooo....land that is ripe and fertile for plunder on a slow GD day?

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

Oh cmon Ezwal, those posts were not personally attacking anyone nor designed to anger or insult other players, they were a harmless forum role play joke. Only thing rule breaking about them was them being slightly off topic.

I have been wondering this some time already, but how exactly does this community stay in one piece? On the forums everybody plans on poisoning and nailing each other on the walls alive, but in-game it's one of the most pleasant chitchat experiences compared to other morps.

Is this merely an elaborate plan to kill all hope for healthy gameplay, or is it because some failed election runs to grab seats on their goernment? That I do not know.

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)

Simple: The People on the forums are bitter vets that are still adicted to EvE, but can't log on due to rl.

Forum is a different mini-game.

If EVE were to die, the forum would still prosper.

...the dunning-kruger effect...

I have been playing eve for a few months, and other than some people, the community is pretty mature. I have interacted with quite an amount of people from all different parts and sides of the community and they usually act mature, and any hostility/hate is for a valid reason.

But then i came on the forums, it seems like people troll, be hostile towards players for absolutely no reason, lots of immaturity, lots of hate. On some help threads ive posted and read i see people who just comment on how stupid that person must be not to know that, and other similar things akin to that. Almost the complete opposite of the people in-game. Could someone mind explaining this to me?

(No offense intended to the nice people here, there are lots of you here too)