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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.05.12 10:50:00 -
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There's a difference....
If EvE suddenly went down for a day, with no prompting, and no reason; then yeah it would be unexpected downtime and I would anticipate compensation.
However, this was an extended downtime when CCP were upgrading the servers to improve things. You wouldn't complain if your PC came back from the repair shop a few hours late, but had a new graphics card in it for free, would you?
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub Downtime credit is good for players and good for CCP.
Players get warm fuzzy feeling when they get those 50 cents back.
CCP peons can convince their bosses to give them extra resources next time. There's no better argument than Ç50.000 hole in the company's revenue.
And where are they supposed to pull those 50.000 bucks (I'd think it's more. Along the lines of 60k by now? Playerbase grew, ya'know.) from? Out of their butts?
CCP just bought new (and expensive) server hardware and has to pay for the entire team, server upkeep and more. The amount of money that that pathetic $.44 refund would cost is enough to pay a dev for a year.
I don't want a refund.
CCP doesn't have the budget of MS or Blizzard to toss around.
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And for that matter, Hellmar isn't some kind of idiot. I'm pretty positive that he knows how much ressources he has to assign to his 'peons' (as you so charmingly put it) when and where. ________ Capship Overhaul |

Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 There's a difference....
If EvE suddenly went down for a day, with no prompting, and no reason; then yeah it would be unexpected downtime and I would anticipate compensation.
However, this was an extended downtime when CCP were upgrading the servers to improve things. You wouldn't complain if your PC came back from the repair shop a few hours late, but had a new graphics card in it for free, would you?
They'd probably still demand 44 cents in compensation... -----
Lead Games Programmer @ Quasit-Rushyo Games | Me! |

Leya Marcsson
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:11:00 -
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i would say - give them their extra free day and ban them, after end of the month so they can get a life again. 
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:15:00 -
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ok deduct 10% of their skillpoints if they get a refund. 30% mgiht work to. Better still set em to -10 sec status (force em into 0.0 that would work) might get the exodus thing happening from jita where the whiners hang out
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:18:00 -
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hey there everyone...
Since the theme of the day seems to be 'lets pretend all the whiners are necessarily the new players' and lets act all offended that they dare whine...
As an old player from back in 2003 I'll put something straight... we've had downtime whiners ever since the game started... its not new... and its not necessarily the new players that whine the most. And for the record whining about the whiners is no better then whining about DT... think about it... the 2 things are constants of this game... never to be alterred never to really leave either.
My thoughts are the same as ever... DT is a necessary evil and when annouced well in advance like this one it shouldn't surprise anyone. The value of 1 day's subscription is so ridiculously small to each player ($ 0.44 I think) that it makes no difference to us but collectively its tens of thousands of dollars worth for CCP.
So I suggest one thing ... CCP create a pot with that money and offer it to your employees as a yearly bonus to incentivise them to hit deadlines. Because however understanding I am about the necessity of DT I cannot help but laught and giggle when the words upgrade, improvement, hardware change etc... are associated with CCP. You never- EVER manage to do them on time or on schedule... Its now an accepted fact of the EE community that any special DT will last at least twice as long as annouced... the old timers warn the new players about it, and soon the new players know this rule just like if it was a law of physics...
Perhaps money might incemtivise them more then the prospect of a free beer with oveur dressed in drags... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :) |

Cesisse
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:34:00 -
[127]
Silliest post of the day. Perhaps the year.
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Nicholas Barker
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:04:00 -
[128]
hey, we get free content, and it's one day. who really cares? -----------------
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Gerbil Intaki
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian Its really sad to be honest... the bigger eve gets.. the more of these total F****** morons join the game.. and eventually will make up the majority..
CCP please dont dilute this game with morons, and dont give into these idiots crying over 50 cent.
TBH if they stopped letting people join it would stop the flood of morons and the need to expand the servers to support them wouldnt ben needed either.
Solution ?
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Ocularis
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:17:00 -
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I would like to thank CCP for the extended downtime... I sorted some stuff out around the house instead and earned myself 'Girlfriend Credits' so im sorted...

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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:22:00 -
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It isn't even 44c worth of lost time. The DT lasted 20 hours, make it 19 because it went across normal DT. We were warned about the first 12 hours so it really only becomes 7 hours of missed time. There are 690 hours of EVE in a month, at the cost of $14.95 per month. This brings cost per hour to 2.16 cents.
I was too stupid to set a 24 hour+ skill! I demand my 15.12 cents compensation! My shoes are tied up too tight! I demand they be loosened or I shall sue! I bought 2 items for $5.97, I demand each be rounded seperately! RABBLERABBLERABBLE!

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With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tas Devil Edited by: Tas Devil on 12/05/2006 11:20:57 Hey there everyone...
Since the theme of the day seems to be 'lets pretend all the whiners are necessarily the new players' and lets act all offended that they dare whine...
As an old player from back in 2003 I'll put something straight... we've had downtime whiners ever since the game started... its not new... and its not necessarily the new players that whine the most. And for the record whining about the whiners is no better then whining about DT... think about it... the 2 things are constants of this game... never to be alterred never to really leave either.
My thoughts are the same as ever... DT is a necessary evil and when annouced well in advance like this one it shouldn't surprise anyone. The value of 1 day's subscription is so ridiculously small to each player ($ 0.44 I think) that it makes no difference to us but collectively its tens of thousands of dollars worth for CCP.
So I suggest one thing ... CCP create a pot with that money and offer it to your employees as a yearly bonus to incentivise them to hit deadlines. Because however understanding I am about the necessity of DT I cannot help but laught and giggle when the words upgrade, improvement, hardware change etc... are associated with CCP. You never - EVER manage to do them on time or on schedule... Its now an accepted fact of the EvE community that any special DT will last at least twice as long as annouced... the old timers warn the new players about it, and soon the new players know this rule just like if it was a law of physics...
Perhaps money might incentivise the CCP team more then the prospect of a free beer with oveur dressed in drags...
I don't think the money would solve things, but they do need to goto the "Scotty's School of Engineering". There you learn that you OVER ESTIMATE the time to complete a task, then get it done sooner, and look like a hero (not tell the captain it will take an hour and it takes three...makes you look bad)    ...
FRODO HAS FAILED; BUSH HAS THE RING!!! |

Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:55:00 -
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I've said it before and I'll say it again,
Downtime (extended or not) Is CCP's way of telling us to Go Outside and play. We have no life for 29/30 days of the month, and this is one of the rare occasions that we have no excuse to go outside.
Of course, I was sick all day yesterday, and today at work am sick as well, but You get the idea.
Also I seem to remember a warning going up....
Originally by: The Gods Of Eve
Due to the high-risk nature of this upgrade, please be sure to set long skill training. We are estimating a downtime of 12 hours, but there is the possibility it will run longer. We have tested this migration several times inhouse, but as you know, Mr. Murphy might decide to pay a visit.
So, on that note, you can't say ya wasn't warned.
But even if you tried to claim that one, you agreed to the EULA:
Originally by: End User Lisense Agreement Section 12(that thing you clicked Accept on but didn't read
NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
Consider this a learning experiance. Next time the servers go down, Don't expect the Estimates to be right, Instead, Plan for the day to be unavailable, put on that lvl 5 skill before you log off, and go outside and play.
Or lie in bed sick, depending on your situation
New Mining Director- MGTTG
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Moriaus Yeah refund the 44 cents you owe us! </sarcasm>
rabble rabble rabble. GIVE ME MY PENNIES OR GIVE ME DEATH!@!#
YOU LOVE THE BLINKING
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:36:00 -
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I've seen to many of these threads to know the possible senarios.
So you want refunded cos you missed a day of eve? Or you missed some skill time due to extended downtime, having been forewarned about a 5 days in advance?...
right.
In short, no. you had enough time to know that Eve was gonna be down, if you for some weird reason decided today would be a nice day to play eve for the WHOLE day and you took the day off work, more fool you.
Its been in the news and was in nice red writing as well contrasting against the black background just in case you don't bothered looking at the news. --------------
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Father Weebles
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:39:00 -
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A refund would be nice but think about how generous CCP. They give us FREE expansions. That alone should justify any reasonable downtime.
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Talthrus
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 There's a difference....
If EvE suddenly went down for a day, with no prompting, and no reason; then yeah it would be unexpected downtime and I would anticipate compensation.
However, this was an extended downtime when CCP were upgrading the servers to improve things. You wouldn't complain if your PC came back from the repair shop a few hours late, but had a new graphics card in it for free, would you?
EXACTLY. To the whiners: You do realize we get upgrades for free in EVE, right? I think you can absorb your horrible, terrible, absolutely absurd, [...] one day lost from EVE without compensation. Now if we had to pay 30-50$ for expansions like almost all other MMOs, I could understand getting something for the extended downtime. In EVE? Nope! ----------------------
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Tabet Saens
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:42:00 -
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Free expansions FTW!! When Blizzard or SOE starts doing that, I'll start complaining to CCP about downtime refunds.
Thanks to the CCP folks for upgrading the hardware. It's good to see our subscription dollars being reinvested to make the game better. I hope you saved some loose change for cold beer-you guys deserve it!
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Torrence Osti
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:46:00 -
[139]
Haha, you guys are absolutely hilarious, you want them to refund you .44 cents. Hahhahah. 
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Darian Hazedango
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:53:00 -
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Ahem.
RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE!
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Go sedate yourself with the feature list coming up in the once again FREE Kali update.
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Ral YoungBeard
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Posted - 2006.05.12 15:58:00 -
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I caught up on my housecleaning, cooked a nice dinner, and watched all three parts of The Triangle. No complaints here!
http://www.agony-unleashed.com/ Home of PVP University |

Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ral YoungBeard I caught up on my housecleaning, cooked a nice dinner, and watched all three parts of The Triangle. No complaints here!
I caught up on some much needed sleep and horrors one of my skills finished before the servers came back up 
Life is still going on
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"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
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Cornelius Murphy
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Posted - 2006.05.12 21:48:00 -
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Im still waiting for an apology for being blamed for the delay! ------------------------------------------
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.05.12 21:54:00 -
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the EULA covers them from having to give you anything, this was a schedualed downtime and it went alittle over thats why the finish is called an ETA and not a Definate Time of Arrival
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Cassius Brutus
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Posted - 2006.05.12 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cornelius Murphy Im still waiting for an apology for being blamed for the delay!
They did apologize for the delay, it's at the top of this forum section.
We're talking about a matter of pennies here guys. It's no biggie, stop complaining.
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Mexicanfx
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Posted - 2006.05.12 21:54:00 -
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OMFG are all you chavs for real?
Why do we still have all these " i want a refund", "please give me my 50pence" threads every single time CCP runs an upgrade
What the F**** is wrong with your people. get a life.
PS: Your new hardware sucks balls, i lag more now than before and i live next to your servers :/
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wystler

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Posted - 2006.05.12 22:19:00 -
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Okay this appears to have run its course now.
If there is going to be any form of credit, CCP will no doubt announce this via devblog / news.
I'm now going to clean this post of trolling and flames 
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