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Mxxpower
Equity Nuclear
3
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:42:00 -
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Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.
Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15054
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:47:00 -
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Mxxpower wrote:Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.
Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE.
Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily. Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
974
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:54:00 -
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CCP will drop 700 plex (ex-RMT) in the next live event. Just a drop in the bucket at Jita volume, though.
Live event: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609 Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4914
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:07:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Dear CCP,
Due to the rising prices of Plex, would you please consider an NPC tax cut? The New Eden middle class is struggling.
Sincerely,
A fellow constituent
Middle class players make billions each week. Anyone struggling to buy a PLEX once a month is an indentured servant.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1845
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:12:00 -
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Mxxpower wrote:Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.
Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE.
Casual people do not have several accounts. Causal people have 1. I'm a freak about EvE and have 2 accounts. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |

KatanTharkay
V I R I I Ineluctable.
23
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily. Seeing the trade like this is wrong. What are people actually trading is time (quantifiable) and fun (subjective). For me is time effective and less boring to sell PLEX rather than doing PVE to get ISK. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
398
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:18:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Gustav Mannfred wrote:As the title says, the PLEX prices raised in the past few weeks by more then 100 mil  Im wondering why that happened and the plexprices contimues raising. CCP has finally realized that the upsidedown pyramid is not a good business model. Having a smaller number of players buying plex to allow the rest to play for free has to be the worst idea ever.
Are you a Space Democrat by any chance?
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
600
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:19:00 -
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It's interesting to see how, ever since the introduction of PLEX, people have felt entitled to be able to pay for game time with in-game currency, but not be subjected to the supply/demand laws within that same game.
Pay the price or pay for your account with real money. Complaining that something is expensive has never made it cheaper. Ever. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
398
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:21:00 -
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Mxxpower wrote:The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
Your impatience requires alts, not the skill system.
I for one... have no alts of import.
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Mxxpower
Equity Nuclear
3
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Mxxpower wrote:Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.
Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE. Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily.
Your reading comprehension must be off, Nice diversion though calling people that plex their accounts thief's, robbing those poor souls with barely enough disposable real money to buy extra plex to convert to isk.. We 're taking fantasy sandwiches right out of the mouths of those poor avatars because we won't buy their PLEX.
You are right of course, plex should be at least 4 billion isk to keep the poor avatars fed. it would be great for business for about a month. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15057
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:25:00 -
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Mxxpower wrote:Malcanis wrote:Mxxpower wrote:Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.
Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE. Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily. Your reading comprehension must be off, Nice diversion though calling people that plex their accounts thief's, robbing those poor souls with barely enough disposable real money to buy extra plex to convert to isk.. We 're taking fantasy sandwiches right out of the mouths of those poor avatars because we won't buy their PLEX. You are right of course, plex should be at least 4 billion isk to keep the poor avatars fed. it would be great for business for about a month.
Is that what I said?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20689
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:43:00 -
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Mxxpower wrote:Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE. Really? What do you base these claims on? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15057
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mxxpower wrote:Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE. Really? What do you base these claims on?
A plastic bag with some solvents in, would be my guess. Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
293
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:52:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tippia wrote:Mxxpower wrote:Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE. Really? What do you base these claims on? A plastic bag with some solvents in, would be my guess.
LMFAO
Thread is now EvE is dying Elsewhere huffing is up 37% |

Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
220
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:56:00 -
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I think OP and his ilk need to be reminded that CCP do not seed plex to the market. They do not set prices on plex and that their main method of operation is to detect and punish those who engage in RMT activity.
as for mxx I think you should stop. If you had a point it's gone now LP store weapon cost rebalance |

Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:58:00 -
[46] - Quote
Just ban ISBoxing and PLEX prices will drop VERY quickly. 
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5234
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Posted - 2014.04.12 23:09:00 -
[47] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Mxxpower wrote:Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.
Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE. Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily.
Not that I disagree with your general statement, but I do take issue with your last line. You play for free with PLEX the same as your ships are free because you mined the material yourself. Or you undercut the materials market because the minerals you mine are free.
In other words, not free in the least.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.04.12 23:11:00 -
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Mxxpower wrote: no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
I disagree. Never had the desire to pay for more than one account. |

Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:12:00 -
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CCP are to blame for the plex price increases.
Since incursions were released they have kept going up in price.
Incursions give the casual and / or lower sp player the ability to make isk to consider plex instead of a paying sub at no real risk where as before they probably would have played and payed subscription.
When plex prices increase as they have done, incursion runners give or take even for the casual ones just whimsy off a few extra hours a month to compensate.
Longer term this will hurt the wider eve, but if ccp want to appease the greedy incursion farmers in the short term absent mind of the wider picture, then so be it.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15062
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:16:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Malcanis wrote:Mxxpower wrote:Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.
This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.
Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.
The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE. Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily. Not that I disagree with your general statement, but I do take issue with your last line. You play for free with PLEX the same as your ships are free because you mined the material yourself. Or you undercut the materials market because the minerals you mine are free. In other words, not free in the least. Mr Epeen 
"Free" in the real world currency sense that one can get a "free" ball while playing pinball.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
568
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:22:00 -
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Incursion runners seem to be turning into the new "communist under the bed" or "terrorist threat" of EVE.
I seriously doubt there are enough Incursion people PLEXing extra accounts to suddenly put PLEX prices up 10% game wide in a month. There are not enough people running incursions nor do they have a need for 20 accounts.
Rationally there has been an increase in demand which has been exaggerated by some extreme speculation. There are people around claiming they are currently buying huge numbers of PLEX to resell when prices hit a billion. |

masternerdguy
Dominion Task Force
1636
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:23:00 -
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Rising PLEX prices are only bad for the people who are actually daft enough to use PLEX as game time Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Sibyyl
368
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:25:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Incursions give the casual and / or lower sp player the ability to make isk to consider plex instead of a paying sub at no real risk where as before they probably would have played and payed subscription. I agree. Everything about incursions sounds like afk mining for high SP players. This activity needs to be changed to allow more content and less farming like it is. The same goes for FW plex farming.
/Fÿ¡ Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
568
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:42:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Incursions give the casual and / or lower sp player the ability to make isk to consider plex instead of a paying sub at no real risk where as before they probably would have played and payed subscription. I agree. Everything about incursions sounds like afk mining for high SP players. This activity needs to be changed to allow more content and less farming like it is. The same goes for FW plex farming. /Fÿ¡
Not really high SP, its not like you need to bring a carrier or super. You could probably get into an incursion fleet with a 6 month skilled logi toon I suspect. It does need a good ship though, but selling a PLEX or two can achieve that.
Its actually more like mission running with the complication of fleet ops and competing fleets. If anything is ISK farming its level IV missions, my mission alt has rescued a crazy number of Damsel's for the SOE and flying a cheap T2 fitted Domi averages about 50-60 mill an hour blitzing and abandoning all except known high value loot drops (AE Silo, named ships etc) . |

Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2014.04.13 01:16:00 -
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Relax dudes, it's prob. just someone trying to rig the CSM election, you need a bunch of PLEX for that 
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
220
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:00:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Rising PLEX prices are only bad for the people who are actually daft enough to use PLEX as game time 
plex seems a lot like gold. it's just an investment if you don't use it to live LP store weapon cost rebalance |

Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
220
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:04:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Incursion runners seem to be turning into the new "communist under the bed" or "terrorist threat" of EVE.
I seriously doubt there are enough Incursion people PLEXing extra accounts to suddenly put PLEX prices up 10% game wide in a month. There are not enough people running incursions nor do they have a need for 20 accounts.
Rationally there has been an increase in demand which has been exaggerated by some extreme speculation. There are people around claiming they are currently buying huge numbers of PLEX to resell when prices hit a billion.
I personally know a guy who runs 2 incursion accounts. One is logi and the other is a dps ship.
The kicker is: they are often in different fleets at the same time. And he plays solitaire to pass the time. LP store weapon cost rebalance |

Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:07:00 -
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CCP wants money so they use their Developer power to instantly materialize isk to purchase all the lower priced PLEX to change the now cheapest price to what they feel is now a high enough baseline to influence more people to pay with subscriptions rather than PLEX. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4624
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:12:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:CCP wants money so they use their Developer power to instantly materialize isk to purchase all the lower priced PLEX to change the now cheapest price to what they feel is now a high enough baseline to influence more people to pay with subscriptions rather than PLEX.
Yeah, that's why there is an event starting tomorrow that will be giving away literally hundreds of free PLEX.  "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Bubbles Vuld
Tech Systems New Eden's Misfits Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:14:00 -
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PLEX dropped 25m in less than 10 hours.
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