The rising prices suggests that a large number of players are happy to play for free at these prices.

Most players value their game time at a significant discount to their RL income. Those that are on fixed incomes will continue to be hurt. Until the point that un-subbing alts or paying a subscription becomes the more viable option plex will continue to rise.

High plex prices also puts a squeeze on botting and RMT actions. So CCP has an incentive to let plex price rise (in a controlled manner to prevent speculation, however it has been very easy to swing trade the plex market for the last few months) as they will be able to capture a greater market share.

If plex prices are expensive to you, obviously they are not to others so adapt, pony up cash, or un-sub your alts.

As the title says, the PLEX prices raised in the past few weeks by more then 100 mil

Im wondering why that happened and the plexprices contimues raising.

740 is cheap. They have a long way up to go.

Not hard to tell the people that fund their gameplay with GTCs.

Mr Epeen

Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.

This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.

Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.

The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE.

Dear CCP,

Due to the rising prices of Plex, would you please consider an NPC tax cut? The New Eden middle class is struggling.

Sincerely,

A fellow constituent

Seeing the price go up 200 million in 1 year has made it easier for me to quit this game permanently. To the people that make the argument it is easier to pay the 15 or 20 bucks to re-sub your account I agree, but no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.

This game in no way can justify my paying $60 a month to keep my subs active, and in all honesty, EVE should be a free to play game with perks for paying a sub.

Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.

The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE.

Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily.

CCP has finally realized that the upsidedown pyramid is not a good business model. Having a smaller number of players buying plex to allow the rest to play for free has to be the worst idea ever.

The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.

Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily.

Your reading comprehension must be off, Nice diversion though calling people that plex their accounts thief's, robbing those poor souls with barely enough disposable real money to buy extra plex to convert to isk.. We 're taking fantasy sandwiches right out of the mouths of those poor avatars because we won't buy their PLEX.

You are right of course, plex should be at least 4 billion isk to keep the poor avatars fed. it would be great for business for about a month.

Before PLEX was introduced, EVE was going under. If PLEX price becomes unaffordable it will happen again.

The ability to for the average player to pay for game time by actively playing the game is what saved EVE.

Really? What do you base these claims on?

A plastic bag with some solvents in, would be my guess.

Who are you talking to? The people who are paying for your subs? Your argument seems to be that they should get less ISK for their money because you want to play for free more easily.

no one who plays this game for any length of time has only one account. I am fairly casual, and have several accounts myself. The skill system design requires alts of one sort or another.

Not that I disagree with your general statement, but I do take issue with your last line. You play for free with PLEX the same as your ships are free because you mined the material yourself. Or you undercut the materials market because the minerals you mine are free.

In other words, not free in the least.

Mr Epeen

Incursions give the casual and / or lower sp player the ability to make isk to consider plex instead of a paying sub at no real risk where as before they probably would have played and payed subscription.

I agree. Everything about incursions sounds like afk mining for high SP players. This activity needs to be changed to allow more content and less farming like it is. The same goes for FW plex farming.

/Fÿ¡

Rising PLEX prices are only bad for the people who are actually daft enough to use PLEX as game time

Incursion runners seem to be turning into the new "communist under the bed" or "terrorist threat" of EVE.

I seriously doubt there are enough Incursion people PLEXing extra accounts to suddenly put PLEX prices up 10% game wide in a month. There are not enough people running incursions nor do they have a need for 20 accounts.

Rationally there has been an increase in demand which has been exaggerated by some extreme speculation. There are people around claiming they are currently buying huge numbers of PLEX to resell when prices hit a billion.

CCP wants money so they use their Developer power to instantly materialize isk to purchase all the lower priced PLEX to change the now cheapest price to what they feel is now a high enough baseline to influence more people to pay with subscriptions rather than PLEX.

You could probably get into an incursion fleet with a 6 month skilled logi toon I suspect. It does need a good ship though, but selling a PLEX or two can achieve that.

CCP wants money so they use their Developer power to instantly materialize isk to purchase all the lower priced PLEX to change the now cheapest price to what they feel is now a high enough baseline to influence more people to pay with subscriptions rather than PLEX.

I disagree.
Never had the desire to pay for more than one account.

Yeah, that's why there is an event starting tomorrow that will be giving away literally hundreds of free PLEX.

CCP wants money so they use their Developer power to instantly materialize isk to purchase all the lower priced PLEX to change the now cheapest price to what they feel is now a high enough baseline to influence more people to pay with subscriptions rather than PLEX.

Maybe that's why it went up, because of all those hundreds of plex they bought to give away.

Maybe that's why it went up, because of all those hundreds of plex they bought to give away.

As the title says, the PLEX prices raised in the past few weeks by more then 100 mil

Im wondering why that happened and the plexprices contimues raising.

So then exactly 100% without a doubt, what is the precise reason PLEX went up to 740m?

So then exactly 100% without a doubt, what is the precise reason PLEX went up to 740m?

It's a heavily inter-related economy, there are a number of causes.

Your conspiracy theory bullshit is not one of them.

CCP generates their own plex.

Increasing the supply would not increase the price. Economics.

In all likelihood, the culprit is the refining changes combined with the influx of new players following BR-5. More demand, unchanged supply, higher prices.

There's no proof it's not correct.

This is more likely the cause than my suggestion, but mine, IMO, is alot more fun to consider.

There's no proof it's not correct. Is it though? Probably not. Does that mean, considering this is all speculation anyways, that it's less fun to speculate the cause being a CCP driven conspiracy?

Nope.

GǪaside from it having no basis in reality, which makes it false by default.

Not really, no.

I have no proof that the polished rock on my desk *doesn't* keep away tigers.

I have no proof it does either, but I don't see any tigers.

Isn't doublethink lovely?

your opinion

Just ban ISBoxing and PLEX prices will drop VERY quickly.

Not really, no.
What you're engaging in is a classic onus probandi fallacy. It's not humorous, just ignorant.

"You can't prove my wild bullshit statements 100% wrong"

And that makes any of it true?

GǪaside from it having no basis in reality, which makes it false by default.

Not really, no.

Then ignore it.

You can't prove me wrong 100%.

Does it matter?

I know you have a fondness for lying, but that's not a good reason to let you keep doing it.

I don't have you. You're wrong by default, even more so when the actual reasons are fairly well known and readily obvious. You prove yourself 100% wrong by failing to prove yourself even 1% right.

Does it matter?

This entire thread is speculation.

Does it matter?

This entire thread is speculation.

That you not only cannot prove your own statements to be true, but also believe that they stand up without any proof?

Yeah, that matters.

Yet when you jokingly speculate, it's fine. It's acceptable.

GǪlargely because he's not speculating, nor rumour-mongering about CCP's activities.

Fanfest stream and the weekly skin release were recently announced.

So I'll wait for him to prove to me that "jimblidge" did indeed cause the price raise by himself.

Because you yourself have said that he's not speculating. Which means it's the actual answer, and if his answer is correct, then yours is wrong since it was different from his.

Maybe that's why it went up, because of all those hundreds of plex they bought to give away.

So I'll wait for him to prove to me that "jimblidge" did indeed cause the price raise by himself.

GǪwhich he never claimed. That's just one of your usual distortion-based straw men. It is also not at odds with what I said.
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You need to learn to read.

I said that he caused "a price hike by himsef", thanks to buying and losing 3000 dollars worth of plex in an 8 hour period.

I did not say he is the cause of the entire 120 million isk price increase in plex in the last two weeks. That's just something you decided to make up in your head.

Knock off your bullshit.

He did claim it, right here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4463287#post4463287

You mean in the post that makes no mention of causing the price raise by himself?

No, he did not. That's just you being sloppy in your reading, and distorting what people say to manufacture yet another one of your strawmen, as always.

GǪnot what you claim it was. So you're back to your old lying ways again.

His answer doesn't clarify.

Considering no defining parameter was established, speculation, what the entire thread is, is allowed.

GǪwhich is why your assertion is a strawman: because you inject things he never actually said to create an argument that was never made.

It's not speculation, though, nor does his post alter what is and isn't allowed.

The nonsensical rumour-mongering you're engaging in is still against the rules.

The entirety of the thread is rumour-mongering.

None of use know the exact answer so every answer provided is a speculative rumour.
Even yours

It's not speculation, though, nor does his post alter what is and isn't allowed.

The nonsensical rumour-mongering you're engaging in is still against the rules.

The only people I see here breaking any forum rules are you and Kaarous:

2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Most of the answers, including mine, are entirely factual. Your illogical conspiracy theory is not.

So you believe.

The only people I see here breaking any forum rules are you and Kaarous:

2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
5. Trolling is prohibited.

In the mean time, try to refrain from breaking the forum's rules.

No need to GÇ£tryGÇ¥ what I'm already doing. You should heed your own advice, though, especially in relation to #5 and #31.

And again, it's not a question of believing, but of knowing.

Whatever you may believe you know, you're allowed to believe to know.

Again, it's not a question of belief but of established fact. If you want to argue contrary to facts, I'd like to hear your justification.

So you believe

Nope.
What I believe is something completely different and not the topic of the thread.

Well you often break forum rules, specifically:
2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
5. Trolling is prohibited.

While on the other hand, I must be highly desireable considering how often you go out of your way to get me to interact with you.

Nope. By the way, why are you so anxious to pull this thread off topic?

Non sequitur. You are simply a cornucopia of errors, fallacies, and misinformation GÇö stuff that needs to be corrected lest it spreads to the less fortunate. It's not a highly desirable job, but it needs to be done.

You mentioned breaking forum rules first.

My initial post was "on topic"

So? That doesn't mean you should keep doing it.
Oh, and I mentioned it because you asked why it matters that you're lying.

Your initial post went straight for the jugular and broke rule #31, and as your quotation marks indicate, you know this full well. You then quickly veered off-topic by trying to argue against my correcting your errors, rather than about what we know for a fact about the price of PLEX.

Then you started trolling me

No. Then I kept explaining why your fallacies need to be kept in check, even for your own good.

That's your opinion.

No, it is my activity and my intention.

Activity and intention to push forward your opinion.

Nope.

Paying 15Gé¼ now.. no way and I have only one account left of three! I just cannot bring myself to grind isk to keep accounts up and using RL money?! forget it.

I havent played eve for 8 months I think.. just loged in and topped up skill queue. To be really honest.. I dont find anything interesting about this game anymore and 750mil plex seems gtfo.. it's just not worth it.

most expansions are crap.

PLEX dropped 25m in less than 10 hours.

Paying 15Gé¼ now.. no way and I have only one account left of three! I just cannot bring myself to grind isk to keep accounts up and using RL money?! forget it.

I havent played eve for 8 months I think.. just loged in and topped up skill queue. To be really honest.. I dont find anything interesting about this game anymore and 750mil plex seems gtfo.. it's just not worth it.

most expansions are crap.

Can I have your stuff?

Yup

Can I have your stuff?

This thread looks exactly like Help chat whenever Divine Entervention is on.

awwww, did I mine your fresh ice asteroid wiff all my bad Procurers in under 3 minutes? I Sorry.

Paying 15Gé¼ now.. no way and I have only one account left of three! I just cannot bring myself to grind isk to keep accounts up and using RL money?! forget it.

I havent played eve for 8 months I think.. just loged in and topped up skill queue. To be really honest.. I dont find anything interesting about this game anymore and 750mil plex seems gtfo.. it's just not worth it.

most expansions are crap.

PLEX prices are on the up and up.

This may well result in the game being less Alts Online and more Eve Online.

I think the increase in PLEX prices will definitely lead to people quitting the game. Regardless of whenever its right or wrong i would bet there are some people who have played via PLEX for so long that they deem it a waste to suddenly start paying real life $$ for this game. I imagine then if PLEX price keeps rising it will result in these people just quitting or un-subbing accounts rather than shelling out $$

I think the increase in PLEX prices will definitely lead to people quitting the game. Regardless of whenever its right or wrong i would bet there are some people who have played via PLEX for so long that they deem it a waste to suddenly start paying real life $$ for this game. I imagine then if PLEX price keeps rising it will result in these people just quitting or un-subbing accounts rather than shelling out $$

Nope. I live in w-space. We don't have ice belts here. (Also I could just shoot you)

Still, ISBoxers are a major reason for high PLEX prices and thus banning them would cause PLEX prices to drop a lot.
Of course CCP would never do that, because dropping PLEX prices would be bad for business.

ISboxers 1: are not against the EULA

Actually ISBoxing always has been a grey area of the EULA. CCP let it slide but have never officially said ISBoxer is legit 3rd party software.
Certain functions the software can do (Macro's) do violate the EULA obviously.
Other functions it depends on how you interpret it. As the EULA forbids doing anything faster than if you were operating the mouse manually. And it can be argued that clicking once and it being broadcast to 100 clients is faster than doing it manually.

So.... Claiming ISboxer isn't against the EULA is not accurate. It's simply something they let slide.

*snip*

Actually ISBoxing always has been a grey area of the EULA. CCP let it slide but have never officially said ISBoxer is legit 3rd party software.
Certain functions the software can do (Macro's) do violate the EULA obviously.
Other functions it depends on how you interpret it. As the EULA forbids doing anything faster than if you were operating the mouse manually. And it can be argued that clicking once and it being broadcast to 100 clients is faster than doing it manually.

So.... Claiming ISboxer isn't against the EULA is not accurate. It's simply something they let slide.

Actually this is a very stupid idea. ISboxers 1: are not against the EULA and 2: provide CCP with extra subscription money.

Uhm... I don't care what players say about it's legality and the last statement I read from a GM stated that certain parts of it are illegal.

PLEX will continue to rise as long as incursions, null ratting and insurance continue to vomit currency into the game economy faster than it can be consumed.

Remove insurance (and give newbies some alternate way to recover from ship losses, like awarding cruiser hulls for L2 storyline missions), go further with the ESS-style 'more LP, less ISK' on null ratting, and change incursions to pay out more LP and less ISK, and watch PLEX prices fall over time.

Make no mistake though, it is ISBOX miners who constitute the majority of the PLEX market.

Evidence?

...

Nonsense, the recent drive in plex has been from people buying it up for fanfest tickets and the like. Isboxer accounts will drive a small demand, but not much. There's only a few people with large scale isboxer operations, and the rest would plex isboxer or not. Plex prices rose before isboxer you know...

A huge amount prior to fanfest was investors buying it up in preparation for the usual increase, and because plex is only likely to increase in price going forward as people will always want to get more for their money. If last week you sold a plex for 700m, you aren't likely to spend the same amount of money this week to get 600m, so you don't buy. Supply dips and the price increases back to what it was. Then as CCP add more ways to spend plex, the base prices step up and the cycle repeats keeping it at it's new level, and so plex prices will continue to rise. People with large amounts of isk are generally better keeping their isk as plex for this very reason.

This is a good point.

Myself, I tend to have much less liquid isk than I do assets. Isk never appreciates, it can only depreciate relative to the value of goods.

Myself, I tend to have much less liquid isk than I do assets. Isk never appreciates, it can only depreciate relative to the value of goods.

Actually, assets may lose value as well. Many put a lot of billions into BPOs, those BPOs are tied 1:1 with the value of ISK so they are also losing in value.

In general you want to differentiate your portfolio taking into account opposing trends markets.

Already seeing how things would go these days, long ago I have posted one rather interesting thread about correlation (direct and inverse) in the markets.

This sprung a very interesting study by a fellow trader who experimented with the concepts and put them in practice.

I am aware of this.

I didn't say that assets do not depreciate. I merely said that isk always does, and assets do so to a much lesser degree. Especially certain items, people will always need POS fuel, for example.

Yes but look at the current nitrogen isotopes chart...

inflation?

VV!

Glad I found you!

Would you be interested in investing in change? :D

And I'm not referring to my ugly face! ^^

At the moment I am sort of taking a pause, too much real life to live in my new life on this tropical island.

The supply isn't going to increase that much, it will some, but not enough to offset the ratio thus leading to PLEX possibly hitting 800 mil by May maybe a billion by summer time. There just aren't enough people buying PLEX to sell in game. That isn't likely to change very much even with the massive ISK making opportunity. It may go down slightly after Fanfest....but in all honesty, it will never hit a stable line.
.

Several reasons.

1. More sinks to use plex for (character training, AUR store)
2. Supply and Demand
3. Reseller marketeers (they make more isk by stocking and reselling)
4. Market exploiters (They have a large sum of isk to have strong influence on the market, probably working with number 3)

I can't blieve that they let you get away with that name. lol

Not saying I'm against it! :D

The simple truth here is that CCP has decimated the PLEX market. The demand will stay at a constant rate assuming they don't introduce any new ways to use a PLEX. The supply isn't going to increase that much, it will some, but not enough to offset the ratio thus leading to PLEX possibly hitting 800 mil by May maybe a billion by summer time.

demand > supply, therefore prices go up, basic economics.

[unless of course there is no manipulation and PLEXs are not bought by resellers..

These things are not related

lol ... necro thread

Bumping 3 week old threads about PLEX is not a sign there is still a problem nor does it fool anyone.

In fact current PLEX prices are 20 mill lower than 3 weeks ago when this thread was first posted.

One possibility is that CCP raised the price because they want more people to be enticed into buying it.

One possibility is

To bad that being possible is completely meaningless. If you want to just list such meaningless inputs, let's start doing so in earnest.

GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because the FSB is silently killing off all PLEX sellers.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because the database transaction query is accidentally salami-slicing all orders.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are not going up, but only seem to be doing so.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up in spite of CCP lowering the prices because they want to make more money.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because of hidden price-increase mechanics built into the market.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because CCP Dr.EyjoG is running an experiment.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because I want them to.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because of falcon.


GǪjust off the top of my head. Please add more as you come up with them.

[quote=Tippia]
*It is possible that the prices are going up because of outside influences

To bad that being possible is completely meaningless. If you want to just list such meaningless inputs, let's start doing so in earnest.

GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because the FSB is silently killing off all PLEX sellers.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because the database transaction query is accidentally salami-slicing all orders.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are not going up, but only seem to be doing so.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up in spite of CCP lowering the prices because they want to make more money.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because of hidden price-increase mechanics built into the market.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because CCP Dr.EyjoG is running an experiment.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because I want them to.
GÇó It is possible that the prices are going up because of falcon.


GǪjust off the top of my head. Please add more as you come up with them.

If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn?

One possibility is that CCP raised the price because they want more people to be enticed into buying it.

I'm so glad I didn't sell that donated PLEX yet! \o/

CCP are to blame for the plex price increases.

Since incursions were released they have kept going up in price.

Incursions give the casual and / or lower sp player the ability to make isk to consider plex instead of a paying sub at no real risk where as before they probably would have played and payed subscription.

When plex prices increase as they have done, incursion runners give or take even for the casual ones just whimsy off a few extra hours a month to compensate.

Longer term this will hurt the wider eve, but if ccp want to appease the greedy incursion farmers in the short term absent mind of the wider picture, then so be it.

CCP EyjoG confirmed at FanFest during his talk today that his team did intervene in the PLEX market, creating liquidity, to try to prevent further price increases. Good to know that someone at CCP is data driven, unlike the ship and module balancing team.


O. Faeces

CCP EyjoG confirmed at FanFest during his talk today that his team did intervene in the PLEX market, creating liquidity, to try to prevent further price increases. Good to know that someone at CCP is data driven, unlike the ship and module balancing team.


O. Faeces

Not sure if it does much good. At Jita earlier today some batches of 30 or so PLEX appeared at 20 or 30 mill below market buy.

Within 2 minutes someone had bought up all 30 and re-listed at market price.