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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 14:07:44
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC (just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain

No, but maybe gronsak will care to explain you how geddon pwns most throns, even if fight starts at 5km. There aren't many ships that can outlast that:P. And triple lar apoc certainly doesn't.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gronsak on 12/05/2006 14:23:13
Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 14:07:44
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC (just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain

No, but maybe gronsak will care to explain you how geddon pwns most throns, even if fight starts at 5km. There aren't many ships that can outlast that:P. And triple lar apoc certainly doesn't.
gedden > apoc becase you can inject cap
possible gedden tank
3x 5%% hardeners, 2x energized adaptive nano t2, 1xDCU named : 2x large t2 rep and in mid slot 2 heavy injecters, what ever in the rest
an apoc will not be as effective becase ability to inject cap means low slot > mid slot for an armor tanker at elst
also take into account the geddens lower sig so it takes less damage to start with, and the bonous that it does more damage gedden >apoc
possible proper gedden pvp setup:
7x DHP t2: 1x hvy nos 1x electrochemica cap injecter: 1x 30km: 1x 90% webber 3x 55% faction hardeners [they are chep] : 1x energized adaptive: 1x dcu: 2x DMG mod: 1x large rep t2
[that should fit but its from memory -------------------Sig-----------------------
Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen |

Abyss Jack
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8 Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
its all photoshop
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Jack
Originally by: TheKiller8 Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
its all photoshop
hmm, full crystal set, and a vulture pilot with max skills.
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Wizard
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Jack
Originally by: TheKiller8 Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
its all photoshop
Its not photoshop, the guy whos owns ( did own ) that zealot is hanns and he has the full slave armour implants set and if i remeber corretcly the 8% armour implant also.
I had corp m8 who had full slave once and he could get way over 3k armour on a reribution with just 1 400mm tungsten plate
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:48:00 -
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Knocked this up in QF, no implants factored in.
Apocalypse Imperial Issue
HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II > [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II > [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II > [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II > [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II > [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II > [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II > [ 228 | 25] Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ 1 | 17] Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger > [ 1 | 17] Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger > [1750 | 40] True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster > [2100 | 18] Naiyon's Modified Stasis Webifier
LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ > [2800 | 46] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer > [2800 | 46] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer > [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener > [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener > [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener > [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener > [ 2 | 32] Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane > [ 2 | 32] Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
ArmorHP: 10937 EM: 93.56% Ex: 87.12% Ki: 87.92% Th: 89.53% 199.1HP/s Rep rate
Anyone care to factor implants in to that? 
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Ditscher
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Posted - 2006.05.12 15:25:00 -
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what about a nightmare? 8 lows, 4 meds, high base armor.
with some slaves and uber officer loot shouldnŠt it have much armor and can run a decent tank?
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.05.12 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ditscher what about a nightmare? 8 lows, 4 meds, high base armor.
with some slaves and uber officer loot shouldnŠt it have much armor and can run a decent tank?
Doesn't have the cap to sustain a tank, sadly.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Popov
Originally by: Abyss Jack
Originally by: TheKiller8 Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
its all photoshop
hmm, full crystal set, and a vulture pilot with max skills.
Hanns also has that lovely +8% Armour implant, as detailed in the link in my sig. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |

Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:06:00 -
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The nightmares tank looks sustainable if you use a cap booster. Something like gronsaks setup should work with a spot of tweaking. It's basicly a geddon after all.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:13:00 -
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The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:16:00 -
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Navy apoc with :
3 large chelm reps 3 64% hardners 1 Officier Energized adaptive nano 1 Chelm cap relay
4 chelm cap rechargers
Mega pulse or Dual heavy pulse
Will run forever, has something like a 90 sec cap recharge on 7500 of cap?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:29:00 -
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If you're PURELY looking for a tank, a Fleet Command is going to be better anyway. I'd put my money on the Vulture. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: B orange
Originally by: Gronsak raven, faction hardeners, faction amps, faction booster and a nice crystal set ftw
what about a scorpion, same fitting?
Gronsak is too yong player to understand situation. Lets' forgive him.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Raven shield tank is NOT sustainable. In many situations it is just disaster. Lag or sweet dreammay effectively broke your tank. Apoc has no such limitations. It has almost perfect sustainable tank. As once was shown similar or even better than raven has.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/05/2006 17:09:24
Originally by: Iberi
Originally by: Rod Blaine The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Raven shield tank is NOT sustainable. In many situations it is just disaster. Lag or sweet dreammay effectively broke your tank. Apoc has no such limitations. It has almost perfect sustainable tank. As once was shown similar or even better than raven has.
I said attainable  The fact its not sustainable doesn't mean much in some situations, yet it's awsome damage potential regardless of the fact it's tanked does. An apoc without many damage mods and 4K grid set apart for repairers is not going to kill much this side of next sunday.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:14:00 -
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Cruise Raven has laughful DPS. Ehh? 400? Or below? Do not rememeber. Torp Raven has great DPS, but its is viable only in well organized fleet/gang and extremely difficult to fit.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:16:00 -
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I wonder, why nobody mentioned Dominix? Vampdomi?
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Iberi
Originally by: Rod Blaine The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Raven shield tank is NOT sustainable. In many situations it is just disaster. Lag or sweet dreammay effectively broke your tank. Apoc has no such limitations. It has almost perfect sustainable tank. As once was shown similar or even better than raven has.
So wrong: lets see raven with gistii xl booster + 45% amp:244hp/s apoc with 2x lar cannot get over 235hp/s. (5% rep duration included). 3x lar apoc is as sustainable as gistii ravens, possible but expensive. But there is important difference, once raven runs out of cap, it still has 5312 armor and 5312 structure and its weapons still work. Apoc has only hull left and weapons don't work.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Iberi I wonder, why nobody mentioned Dominix? Vampdomi?
Ever tried to fit it... It doesn't have medslots to run proper pvp shield tank, and it doesn't have pg to fit any proper armor tank. However you can set it a little out of the box and it works better than most classical armor tankers.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Unless the apoc guy knows he's gonna be fighting Ravens. Then he uses a vamp setup which are the bane of the Raven pilot everywhere. And...it's STILL close because the launchers keep crapping out the volleys of missiles even when cap is gone lol.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 17:40:52 Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 17:39:41
Originally by: Cummilla
Originally by: Rod Blaine The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Unless the apoc guy knows he's gonna be fighting Ravens. Then he uses a vamp setup which are the bane of the Raven pilot everywhere. And...it's STILL close because the launchers keep crapping out the volleys of missiles even when cap is gone lol.
True, but not because raven cannot spank it, but because ppl cannot fit it properly. Raven with 3x t2 L extenders and 2x invul t2 will make vampire ships cry. Also if raven pilot knows he is fighting apoc, he can fit 5x racial jammers. Also apoc can fit 2 racial jammers... So this is pretty irrelevant.
I knew a guy that was usually attacking 2-3 bs alone in his raven and win:P Nothing else than t2 on it:P Sadly he quit eve.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:48:00 -
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That is true Luke. It's been awhile since I really flew Raven's exclusively and as such had to be concerned with vampocs and the like. The shield extender idea is a good counter for the Raven guy.
I can't really explain why I stopped flying Raven's much except maybe they just appeared to be Eve on the "easy" setting? I still fly, every once in a awhile, a t2 precision cruise Raven and have taken out entire mining ops w/ 3 to 4 BS "cover" etc. I guess I was too busy laffing my arse off as the carebears dropped one by one to notice how overpowering the ship\weapons combo was. T2 really calls for an adjustment in our assessment of capability.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: smallgreenblur on 12/05/2006 17:54:43 Fleet command ships, faction stuff. Can't beat em, you can get some stupid resistances (all 90-95%).
My claymore with t2 stuff tanked a mothership on test the other day till him and his mate got bored and nossed me to hell. Tanked a dread before that too. With just t2 i get:
88/83/86/83
550 boosted every 4 secs, or thereabouts. With 4 pduIIs and a damage control the tank is almost sustainable, with 3 or more nos on it is entirely sustainable. Add in the lower sig radius than a raven and faction setup command ship > faction setup raven for tanking. That said, they suck for damage output.
Edit: read the thread through, missed the BS part . Scorp is always going to outtank a raven when setup entirely for tanking, but for sheer tank/gank it's ravens all the way. Bastards.
sgb
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:14:00 -
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To answer the OP's question... What ship has the strongest Tank.
Well this partly depends on what your definition of a tank is and also depends on the type of tnak you prefer.
Well for armour tanking id advise going for the apocolypse [and in future maybee the tier 3]. The apocolypse is capable of fitting the best tank ever only problem with it tho is that you have to sacrifice slot room for Wepon damage. Netherless the apocs tank will last.
For shield tanking and while ignoring DPS go for the scorpion. With the number of medium slot you can fit a decent shield tank.
I personally prefer the apoc its a nice looking ship and is capable of some interesting options. YARRR HAHAHA im the happy pirate YARRRR
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EL TITAN
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 12/05/2006 14:23:13
Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 14:07:44
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC (just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain

No, but maybe gronsak will care to explain you how geddon pwns most throns, even if fight starts at 5km. There aren't many ships that can outlast that:P. And triple lar apoc certainly doesn't.
gedden > apoc becase you can inject cap
possible gedden tank
3x 5%% hardeners, 2x energized adaptive nano t2, 1xDCU named : 2x large t2 rep and in mid slot 2 heavy injecters, what ever in the rest
an apoc will not be as effective becase ability to inject cap means low slot > mid slot for an armor tanker at elst
also take into account the geddens lower sig so it takes less damage to start with, and the bonous that it does more damage gedden >apoc
possible proper gedden pvp setup:
7x DHP t2: 1x hvy nos 1x electrochemica cap injecter: 1x 30km: 1x 90% webber 3x 55% faction hardeners [they are chep] : 1x energized adaptive: 1x dcu: 2x DMG mod: 1x large rep t2
[that should fit but its from memory
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:36:00 -
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gronsak fits ships for solo... for gang drop scram and fit mwd, problem solved.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:37:00 -
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Bhaalgorn can run three Large Reps when fighting other BSes.
~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation |

Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cummilla on 12/05/2006 18:47:36
Originally by: smallgreenblur Edited by: smallgreenblur on 12/05/2006 17:54:43 Fleet command ships, faction stuff. Can't beat em, you can get some stupid resistances (all 90-95%).
My claymore with t2 stuff tanked a mothership on test the other day till him and his mate got bored and nossed me to hell. Tanked a dread before that too. With just t2 i get:
88/83/86/83
550 boosted every 4 secs, or thereabouts. With 4 pduIIs and a damage control the tank is almost sustainable, with 3 or more nos on it is entirely sustainable. Add in the lower sig radius than a raven and faction setup command ship > faction setup raven for tanking. That said, they suck for damage output.
Edit: read the thread through, missed the BS part . Scorp is always going to outtank a raven when setup entirely for tanking, but for sheer tank/gank it's ravens all the way. Bastards.
sgb
I can echo this. I've had a fight with my phoenix on TQ against a amar command ship. I had him 90percent webbed and scrammed ofc, and cit torps were hitting for only 500 to 900 ish in seige. It would normally pop in no more than two volleys with "normal resist." As I recall it took at least half a dozen volleys. VERY tough lil tank.
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2006.05.12 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: CptEagle Rattlesnake, hands down.
yeah, MONSTER shield tanker.
For armour tanking, i'd say Navy Issue Apoc, maybe the Navy Issue Mega.
Tank like beasts!
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