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Chakoth
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:15:00 -
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Which battleship can be fitted so to be the strongest tank?
"No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast."
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Astrum Proeliator
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:22:00 -
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Apoc with Dual Large Accom's is pretty damn tough...
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B orange
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:23:00 -
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you can't get an answer on that, it's a silly question..
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CptEagle
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:23:00 -
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Rattlesnake, hands down.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:24:00 -
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raven, faction hardeners, faction amps, faction booster and a nice crystal set ftw
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B orange
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Gronsak
raven, faction hardeners, faction amps, faction booster and a nice crystal set ftw
what about a scorpion, same fitting?
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Astrum Proeliator
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
raven, faction hardeners, faction amps, faction booster and a nice crystal set ftw
Endless money 4tw!! 
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BABARR
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:30:00 -
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If you only want only a big tank, scorpion for shield and armaggedon whith his 8 low slot for armor tank.
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Chakoth
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:37:00 -
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Well Ive seen some BS fights and they are over very quickly. Seen a raven kill a Dominix around 15-20 secs. So I would like a BS that can take a little more beating than that.
"No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast."
Shakespeare, Richard III |
TheKiller8
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:38:00 -
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Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:43:00 -
[11]
Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
*drool*
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:44:00 -
[12]
Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
NO IT'S NOT...
It's an insane tank...
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Hydrogen
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
That tank is plain nuts  Good one - now where can we 1vs1 with you having that stuff on?
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zwerg
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chakoth
Well Ive seen some BS fights and they are over very quickly. Seen a raven kill a Dominix around 15-20 secs. So I would like a BS that can take a little more beating than that.
 Damn,
1st possibility : The dominix pilot was a newby
2nd possibility : The Raven Pilot was cheating
A raven CAN take down a Domi, but with the right fitting the domi pwns asses.
But a Raven can never take down a Domi in 15-20seconds, even with tech II torps.
Well i think the best tank on a BS is the Apoc with a whole tank in the lows,
look into community created videos there is a vid about a crazy dude in an apoc which tanks concord in 1.0 system ( till aggression countdown is DOWN ) 
regards, zwerg
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Hydrogen
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:54:00 -
[15]
Just for the curious some links ;)
Zealot 1
Zealot 2
The evergreen: Navy Auguror
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 12/05/2006 12:11:13
The Original Posters question is simple
Which battleship can be fitted so to be the strongest tank?
Firstly, let us forget about all this uber officer gear. Virtualy nobody PvP's in it.
Now to answer your question, the strongest tanks are as follows
Apoc for strongest Armour Tank.
Scorp for strongest Shield tank.
And thats it. I am not talking about DPS or whatever, those two are the strongest tanking ships in this game. And no, the original poster did not mention carrier or dreads :)
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:12:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
The Original Posters question is simple
Which battleship can be fitted so to be the strongest tank?
Firstly, let us forget about all this uber officer gear. Virtualy nobody PvP's in it.
Now to answer your question, the strongest tanks are as follows
Apoc for strongest Armour Tank.
Scorp for strongest Shield tank.
And thats it. I am not talking about DPS or whatever, those two are the strongest tanking ships in this game.
ECM effectively reduces damage received, hence could be considered part of tanking efficiency. As such, an ECM domi would surpass an apoc in armor tanking league (while maintaining the ability to function, ie. deal damage, scramble and web).
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:19:00 -
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BS: raven(and its faction clones) (just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc). Technically scorp should tank best, but it has ****ty dps, also as we can see on kayo's rattlesnake, you don't need more than 6 medslots.
Hac: eagle with crystal set(also shield shield tanked ishtar could be mean, but we know why ishtar is good:P)
inty: claw/crow - crusader uses too much cap for guns.
AF: retri or gistii harpy
command ships: the "gang" ones are pretty sick, but i put my $$ on claymore.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
(just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain
Spirits in the night! Allll Niiight!! |
Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:44:00 -
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Arma better tank than apoc? Geesh.
Geddon has 1 extra low slot, but apoc has far higher cap. Apoc can sustain 4 hardners with 2 t2 reps with the right skills. I cannot see how geddon could
As for Raven vs Scorp, Scorp is a better Shield tanker, though the raven DPS is the reason why people prefer ravens.
Answering that guy who talked about ECM. ECM does not effect the tanking ability. It only effects the ability for the ship to acheive lock. If a tank is baised upon NOS, then a vampapoc could sustain 4 t2 reps, 3 hardners and all ecm in mids easaly.
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC
(just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain
He just likes tanking while having 25% less cap 
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Frools
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:50:00 -
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it does tank better, just doesnt tank as long 
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Frools
it does tank better, just doesnt tank as long
It doesn't tank better, lower armour hp, 25% less cap, less pg to fit dual/triple reps AND guns and of cos i'd rather have 4 meds slots
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres
Originally by: Lord WarATron
The Original Posters question is simple
Which battleship can be fitted so to be the strongest tank?
Firstly, let us forget about all this uber officer gear. Virtualy nobody PvP's in it.
Now to answer your question, the strongest tanks are as follows
Apoc for strongest Armour Tank.
Scorp for strongest Shield tank.
And thats it. I am not talking about DPS or whatever, those two are the strongest tanking ships in this game.
ECM effectively reduces damage received, hence could be considered part of tanking efficiency. As such, an ECM domi would surpass an apoc in armor tanking league (while maintaining the ability to function, ie. deal damage, scramble and web).
So you are voting armour semi-passive tank Scorp for best tanker then Jim?
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The Angle
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
Holy crap...no wonder you owned me a couple months ago! And you weren't even using this ship.
Dude, teach me.
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: mamolian on 12/05/2006 13:33:33
Edited by: mamolian on 12/05/2006 13:29:34
Originally by: Hydrogen
Just for the curious some links ;)
Zealot 1
Zealot 2
The evergreen: Navy Auguror
how the F*** did you get 12k armor with 1 1600mm plate??
edit-
hmm photoshop jobs are they?
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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian
Edited by: mamolian on 12/05/2006 13:33:33
Edited by: mamolian on 12/05/2006 13:29:34
Originally by: Hydrogen
Just for the curious some links ;)
Zealot 1
Zealot 2
The evergreen: Navy Auguror
how the F*** did you get 12k armor with 1 1600mm plate??
edit-
hmm photoshop jobs are they?
Full slave implant set I assume.
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:41:00 -
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Slave implant set.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:43:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: Jin Entres
Originally by: Lord WarATron
The Original Posters question is simple
Which battleship can be fitted so to be the strongest tank?
Firstly, let us forget about all this uber officer gear. Virtualy nobody PvP's in it.
Now to answer your question, the strongest tanks are as follows
Apoc for strongest Armour Tank.
Scorp for strongest Shield tank.
And thats it. I am not talking about DPS or whatever, those two are the strongest tanking ships in this game.
ECM effectively reduces damage received, hence could be considered part of tanking efficiency. As such, an ECM domi would surpass an apoc in armor tanking league (while maintaining the ability to function, ie. deal damage, scramble and web).
So you are voting armour semi-passive tank Scorp for best tanker then Jim?
My name is not Jim.
And no, I see no mind in looking at one aspect of a ship independently. An ECM Scorp with armor tank might survive the longest, but it hardly does any damage. Domi on the other hand can effectively yield it's drones to their full potential while having a strong nos-fueled armor tank and ECM. You could also argue that offense is the best defense; afterall it's aimed at disabling the source of incoming damage.
Taking something out of context is pointless. Surely if you're looking just for the biggest tank, you can tank both shield and armor. Will signature radius be factored in? What damage are we looking to tank - big guns, small guns, torpedoes...?
What I think is more important are the relative strengths of (battleships' in this case) tanks in their common applications and with regular, useful fittings and the ships' interracial balance.
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Avaleric
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:51:00 -
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...u can make a Navy Issue Apocalypse pretty tough...
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 14:07:44
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC
(just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain
No, but maybe gronsak will care to explain you how geddon pwns most throns, even if fight starts at 5km. There aren't many ships that can outlast that:P. And triple lar apoc certainly doesn't.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gronsak on 12/05/2006 14:23:13
Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 14:07:44
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC
(just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain
No, but maybe gronsak will care to explain you how geddon pwns most throns, even if fight starts at 5km. There aren't many ships that can outlast that:P. And triple lar apoc certainly doesn't.
gedden > apoc becase you can inject cap
possible gedden tank
3x 5%% hardeners, 2x energized adaptive nano t2, 1xDCU named : 2x large t2 rep
and in mid slot 2 heavy injecters, what ever in the rest
an apoc will not be as effective becase ability to inject cap means low slot > mid slot for an armor tanker at elst
also take into account the geddens lower sig so it takes less damage to start with, and the bonous that it does more damage gedden >apoc
possible proper gedden pvp setup:
7x DHP t2: 1x hvy nos
1x electrochemica cap injecter: 1x 30km: 1x 90% webber
3x 55% faction hardeners [they are chep] : 1x energized adaptive: 1x dcu: 2x DMG mod: 1x large rep t2
[that should fit but its from memory
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Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen |
Abyss Jack
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
its all photoshop
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Jack
Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
its all photoshop
hmm, full crystal set, and a vulture pilot with max skills.
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Wizard
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Abyss Jack
Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
its all photoshop
Its not photoshop, the guy whos owns ( did own ) that zealot is hanns and he has the full slave armour implants set and if i remeber corretcly the 8% armour implant also.
I had corp m8 who had full slave once and he could get way over 3k armour on a reribution with just 1 400mm tungsten plate
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:48:00 -
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Knocked this up in QF, no implants factored in.
Apocalypse Imperial Issue
HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [ 228 | 25] Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 1 | 17] Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger
> [ 1 | 17] Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger
> [1750 | 40] True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster
> [2100 | 18] Naiyon's Modified Stasis Webifier
LOW-SLOTS :
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> [2800 | 46] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
> [2800 | 46] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
> [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener
> [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
> [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
> [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
> [ 2 | 32] Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
> [ 2 | 32] Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
ArmorHP: 10937
EM: 93.56%
Ex: 87.12%
Ki: 87.92%
Th: 89.53%
199.1HP/s Rep rate
Anyone care to factor implants in to that? 
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Ditscher
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Posted - 2006.05.12 15:25:00 -
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what about a nightmare? 8 lows, 4 meds, high base armor.
with some slaves and uber officer loot shouldnŠt it have much armor and can run a decent tank?
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.05.12 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ditscher
what about a nightmare? 8 lows, 4 meds, high base armor.
with some slaves and uber officer loot shouldnŠt it have much armor and can run a decent tank?
Doesn't have the cap to sustain a tank, sadly.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Popov
Originally by: Abyss Jack
Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
its all photoshop
hmm, full crystal set, and a vulture pilot with max skills.
Hanns also has that lovely +8% Armour implant, as detailed in the link in my sig.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:06:00 -
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The nightmares tank looks sustainable if you use a cap booster. Something like gronsaks setup should work with a spot of tweaking. It's basicly a geddon after all.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:13:00 -
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The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:16:00 -
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Navy apoc with :
3 large chelm reps
3 64% hardners
1 Officier Energized adaptive nano
1 Chelm cap relay
4 chelm cap rechargers
Mega pulse or Dual heavy pulse
Will run forever, has something like a 90 sec cap recharge on 7500 of cap?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:29:00 -
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If you're PURELY looking for a tank, a Fleet Command is going to be better anyway. I'd put my money on the Vulture.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: B orange
Originally by: Gronsak
raven, faction hardeners, faction amps, faction booster and a nice crystal set ftw
what about a scorpion, same fitting?
Gronsak is too yong player to understand situation. Lets' forgive him.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Raven shield tank is NOT sustainable. In many situations it is just disaster. Lag or sweet dreammay effectively broke your tank.
Apoc has no such limitations. It has almost perfect sustainable tank. As once was shown similar or even better than raven has.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:09:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/05/2006 17:09:24
Originally by: Iberi
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Raven shield tank is NOT sustainable. In many situations it is just disaster. Lag or sweet dreammay effectively broke your tank.
Apoc has no such limitations. It has almost perfect sustainable tank. As once was shown similar or even better than raven has.
I said attainable
The fact its not sustainable doesn't mean much in some situations, yet it's awsome damage potential regardless of the fact it's tanked does. An apoc without many damage mods and 4K grid set apart for repairers is not going to kill much this side of next sunday.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:14:00 -
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Cruise Raven has laughful DPS. Ehh? 400? Or below? Do not rememeber.
Torp Raven has great DPS, but its is viable only in well organized fleet/gang and extremely difficult to fit.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:16:00 -
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I wonder, why nobody mentioned Dominix? Vampdomi?
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:20:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Iberi
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Raven shield tank is NOT sustainable. In many situations it is just disaster. Lag or sweet dreammay effectively broke your tank.
Apoc has no such limitations. It has almost perfect sustainable tank. As once was shown similar or even better than raven has.
So wrong:
lets see raven with gistii xl booster + 45% amp:244hp/s
apoc with 2x lar cannot get over 235hp/s. (5% rep duration included). 3x lar apoc is as sustainable as gistii ravens, possible but expensive.
But there is important difference, once raven runs out of cap, it still has 5312 armor and 5312 structure and its weapons still work. Apoc has only hull left and weapons don't work.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Iberi
I wonder, why nobody mentioned Dominix? Vampdomi?
Ever tried to fit it... It doesn't have medslots to run proper pvp shield tank, and it doesn't have pg to fit any proper armor tank. However you can set it a little out of the box and it works better than most classical armor tankers.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:34:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Unless the apoc guy knows he's gonna be fighting Ravens. Then he uses a vamp setup which are the bane of the Raven pilot everywhere. And...it's STILL close because the launchers keep crapping out the volleys of missiles even when cap is gone lol.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:38:00 -
[52]
Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 17:40:52
Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 17:39:41
Originally by: Cummilla
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The best general non-faction crap affordable BS tank that is attainable yet doesn't comproise an effective setup in terms of offense is the Raven shieldtank.
The best sustainable tank that leaves at least some room for offense yet is attainable again without faction crap of bank robbery is the armortank on the apoc.
If you want a winner between those two I'd call the Raven the better option because it's tank may not be sustainable but it's offensive capability is far better. It's also more versatile.
Unless the apoc guy knows he's gonna be fighting Ravens. Then he uses a vamp setup which are the bane of the Raven pilot everywhere. And...it's STILL close because the launchers keep crapping out the volleys of missiles even when cap is gone lol.
True, but not because raven cannot spank it, but because ppl cannot fit it properly. Raven with 3x t2 L extenders and 2x invul t2 will make vampire ships cry. Also if raven pilot knows he is fighting apoc, he can fit 5x racial jammers. Also apoc can fit 2 racial jammers...
So this is pretty irrelevant.
I knew a guy that was usually attacking 2-3 bs alone in his raven and win:P Nothing else than t2 on it:P
Sadly he quit eve.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:48:00 -
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That is true Luke. It's been awhile since I really flew Raven's exclusively and as such had to be concerned with vampocs and the like. The shield extender idea is a good counter for the Raven guy.
I can't really explain why I stopped flying Raven's much except maybe they just appeared to be Eve on the "easy" setting? I still fly, every once in a awhile, a t2 precision cruise Raven and have taken out entire mining ops w/ 3 to 4 BS "cover" etc. I guess I was too busy laffing my arse off as the carebears dropped one by one to notice how overpowering the ship\weapons combo was. T2 really calls for an adjustment in our assessment of capability.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: smallgreenblur on 12/05/2006 17:54:43
Fleet command ships, faction stuff. Can't beat em, you can get some stupid resistances (all 90-95%).
My claymore with t2 stuff tanked a mothership on test the other day till him and his mate got bored and nossed me to hell. Tanked a dread before that too. With just t2 i get:
88/83/86/83
550 boosted every 4 secs, or thereabouts. With 4 pduIIs and a damage control the tank is almost sustainable, with 3 or more nos on it is entirely sustainable. Add in the lower sig radius than a raven and faction setup command ship > faction setup raven for tanking. That said, they suck for damage output.
Edit: read the thread through, missed the BS part . Scorp is always going to outtank a raven when setup entirely for tanking, but for sheer tank/gank it's ravens all the way. Bastards.
sgb
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:14:00 -
[55]
To answer the OP's question... What ship has the strongest Tank.
Well this partly depends on what your definition of a tank is and also depends on the type of tnak you prefer.
Well for armour tanking id advise going for the apocolypse [and in future maybee the tier 3]. The apocolypse is capable of fitting the best tank ever only problem with it tho is that you have to sacrifice slot room for Wepon damage. Netherless the apocs tank will last.
For shield tanking and while ignoring DPS go for the scorpion. With the number of medium slot you can fit a decent shield tank.
I personally prefer the apoc its a nice looking ship and is capable of some interesting options.
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EL TITAN
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:28:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Gronsak
Edited by: Gronsak on 12/05/2006 14:23:13
Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 14:07:44
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC
(just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain
No, but maybe gronsak will care to explain you how geddon pwns most throns, even if fight starts at 5km. There aren't many ships that can outlast that:P. And triple lar apoc certainly doesn't.
gedden > apoc becase you can inject cap
possible gedden tank
3x 5%% hardeners, 2x energized adaptive nano t2, 1xDCU named : 2x large t2 rep
and in mid slot 2 heavy injecters, what ever in the rest
an apoc will not be as effective becase ability to inject cap means low slot > mid slot for an armor tanker at elst
also take into account the geddens lower sig so it takes less damage to start with, and the bonous that it does more damage gedden >apoc
possible proper gedden pvp setup:
7x DHP t2: 1x hvy nos
1x electrochemica cap injecter: 1x 30km: 1x 90% webber
3x 55% faction hardeners [they are chep] : 1x energized adaptive: 1x dcu: 2x DMG mod: 1x large rep t2
[that should fit but its from memory
no mwd on a pvp setup? ;o
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:36:00 -
[57]
gronsak fits ships for solo... for gang drop scram and fit mwd, problem solved.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:37:00 -
[58]
Bhaalgorn can run three Large Reps when fighting other BSes.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:46:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Cummilla on 12/05/2006 18:47:36
Originally by: smallgreenblur
Edited by: smallgreenblur on 12/05/2006 17:54:43
Fleet command ships, faction stuff. Can't beat em, you can get some stupid resistances (all 90-95%).
My claymore with t2 stuff tanked a mothership on test the other day till him and his mate got bored and nossed me to hell. Tanked a dread before that too. With just t2 i get:
88/83/86/83
550 boosted every 4 secs, or thereabouts. With 4 pduIIs and a damage control the tank is almost sustainable, with 3 or more nos on it is entirely sustainable. Add in the lower sig radius than a raven and faction setup command ship > faction setup raven for tanking. That said, they suck for damage output.
Edit: read the thread through, missed the BS part . Scorp is always going to outtank a raven when setup entirely for tanking, but for sheer tank/gank it's ravens all the way. Bastards.
sgb
I can echo this. I've had a fight with my phoenix on TQ against a amar command ship. I had him 90percent webbed and scrammed ofc, and cit torps were hitting for only 500 to 900 ish in seige. It would normally pop in no more than two volleys with "normal resist." As I recall it took at least half a dozen volleys. VERY tough lil tank.
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2006.05.12 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: CptEagle
Rattlesnake, hands down.
yeah, MONSTER shield tanker.
For armour tanking, i'd say Navy Issue Apoc, maybe the Navy Issue Mega.
Tank like beasts!
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.05.12 23:55:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Astrum Ludus
Knocked this up in QF, no implants factored in.
Apocalypse Imperial Issue
HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [2475 | 39] Mega Pulse Laser II
> [ 228 | 25] Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 1 | 17] Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger
> [ 1 | 17] Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger
> [1750 | 40] True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster
> [2100 | 18] Naiyon's Modified Stasis Webifier
LOW-SLOTS :
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> [2800 | 46] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
> [2800 | 46] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
> [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener
> [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
> [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
> [ 1 | 28] Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
> [ 2 | 32] Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
> [ 2 | 32] Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
ArmorHP: 10937
EM: 93.56%
Ex: 87.12%
Ki: 87.92%
Th: 89.53%
199.1HP/s Rep rate
Anyone care to factor implants in to that?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.05.13 00:18:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Frools
it does tank better, just doesnt tank as long
Ah, the gank tank :D. Or, as a friend of mine puts it, "If it's dead before we are, it's all good".
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.05.13 00:27:00 -
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Errr, this rly is a stupid thread.
First off, how do you define 'best tank'?
One that can run forever on cap recharge (vs low fire)?
One that will survive most seconds vs heavy fire?
One that will be best vs 'moderate' fire?
No matter what it's rly simple:
arma = most lows = best armor tank.
scorp = most meds = best shield tank.
And with 'standard gear' shield and armor is balanced.
Looking at 'pimped gear', shield tanks are insanely overpowered, and hence the answer is rattlesnake or sleipnir (depending on situation).
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Ditscher
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Posted - 2006.05.14 20:05:00 -
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it not all about meds and lows, its the combination.
you need cap, to keep the tank running.
btw: the impoc fitting with all the named stuff: wouldnt it be better to use three reppers and loose 1 adaptive? with the imps thast reduce repair duration and increase repair amount, that must be a high amount of damage-repaired per second...
and wouldnŠt a nightmare be better? 4 cruiser launcher (no cap use), some nos (depends on grid and cpu), 3 chelms cr and 1 true sansha cap booster, 3 large (chelm) repper, 4 damage specefic hardener and 1 adaptive.
nightmare better, because her offense weapons dosent need cap, have 10k base armor, and cap musst be stable (if quickfit works)
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Posted - 2006.05.14 20:29:00 -
[65]
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC
(just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain
bob = brain damage ? :))
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.05.14 20:33:00 -
[66]
"5% maximum Capacitor Capacity per level." so i think not :)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.14 23:30:00 -
[67]
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: LUKEC
(just to mention, arma tanks better than apoc).
Pardon ?
Please explain
bob = brain damage ? :))
We got something from SA, check dalman's post above.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.15 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sangue Sacerdote
Apocalypse can sustain 3x large armor reps II with a full load of hards with 4x cap II's and 2x heavy nossies indefinitely.
i'd say that's a pretty nice tank.
pointless if u dont have the cap to fight back though. might aswell fill the low slots with warp core stabs
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.05.15 00:20:00 -
[69]
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
Originally by: Sangue Sacerdote
Apocalypse can sustain 3x large armor reps II with a full load of hards with 4x cap II's and 2x heavy nossies indefinitely.
i'd say that's a pretty nice tank.
pointless if u dont have the cap to fight back though. might aswell fill the low slots with warp core stabs
4 Dual heavy pulses t2
4 dimish heavy nosfs
3 t2 cap rechargers
Best named heavy cap booster(with 800 charges)
2 t2 large reps
1 Large 'acco'
3 T2 energized adaptives
Best named damage control
3 Heavy drones
Go ahead and try it.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: FraXy on 16/05/2006 18:31:14
Did some dreaming during easter holidays about a Rattlesnake fitting:
[High] - 6x Cruise Launcher II, 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
[Mid] - Gist X-type XL, Gist X-type EM, Gist X-type Thermal, 3x Dread Gurista Invulnerability
[Low] - 6x True Sansha PDU (True Sansha for the cool factor)
High-Grade Crystal Implant Set:
1030/4 = 257.5 HP/s + 55 HP/s Passive Regen = 312.5 HP/sec Max Regen
I don`t remember the roughly calculated resist using this info:
1.st Module = 100% effectivenes
2.th Modules = 87% effectiveness
3.rd Modules = 57% effectiveness
4.th Modules = 33% effectiveness
5.th Modules = 12% effectiveness
But the tank was capable of tanking this DPS forever aslong as the XL had enough cap:
EM - 2200 DPS
Thermal/Expl - 2700 DPS
Kinetic - 3700 DPS (With this high Kinetic i must`ve calculated with 3x Gist X-type hardeners and 2x DG Invulnerabilities)
Estimated cost of entire setup/ship/implants was roughly 6 Bill.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.05.16 18:51:00 -
[71]
==[ RATTLESNAKE ]==
Powergrid : 11594.2 / 18326.706 MW
CPU : 817.8 / 875.0 tf
Capacitor (regen) : 7119.258 Energy (406.64sec)
Max Cap Regen : 42.89 per sec (approx.)
Max Cap Needed : 58.337 per sec
Shield HP (regen) : 16402.771 (880.27sec)
Max Shield Regen : 46.58 per sec (approx.)
Shield EM : 82.06 %
Shield Explo : 85.09 %
Shield Kinetic : 89.24 %
Shield Thermal : 85.65 %
HIGH-SLOTS :
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- [1181 | 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II
- [1181 | 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II
- [1181 | 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II
- [1181 | 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II
- [1181 | 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II
- [1181 | 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II
- [2000 | 50] True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
- [2000 | 50] True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
MED-SLOTS :
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- [ 500 | 170] Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
- [ 0 | 40] Gist X-Type Photon Scattering Field
- [ 0 | 40] Gist X-Type Heat Dissipation Field
- [ 0 | 40] Gist X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
- [ 0 | 27] Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
- [ 0 | 27] Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
LOW-SLOTS :
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- [ 1 | 17] Internal Force Field Array I
- [ 0 | 12] True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
- [ 0 | 12] True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
- [ 0 | 12] True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
- [ 0 | 12] True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
- [ 0 | 12] True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Ran it through QuickFit. Got some cap issues, but if u are willing to spend this on a ship then get some Officer PDUs.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:16:00 -
[72]
Originally by: FraXy
Edited by: FraXy on 16/05/2006 18:31:14
Did some dreaming during easter holidays about a Rattlesnake fitting:
[High] - 6x Cruise Launcher II, 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
[Mid] - Gist X-type XL, Gist X-type EM, Gist X-type Thermal, 3x Dread Gurista Invulnerability
[Low] - 6x True Sansha PDU (True Sansha for the cool factor)
High-Grade Crystal Implant Set:
1030/4 = 257.5 HP/s + 55 HP/s Passive Regen = 312.5 HP/sec Max Regen
I don`t remember the roughly calculated resist using this info:
1.st Module = 100% effectivenes
2.th Modules = 87% effectiveness
3.rd Modules = 57% effectiveness
4.th Modules = 33% effectiveness
5.th Modules = 12% effectiveness
But the tank was capable of tanking this DPS forever aslong as the XL had enough cap:
EM - 2200 DPS
Thermal/Expl - 2700 DPS
Kinetic - 3700 DPS (With this high Kinetic i must`ve calculated with 3x Gist X-type hardeners and 2x DG Invulnerabilities)
Estimated cost of entire setup/ship/implants was roughly 6 Bill.
I think the rattlesnake fitting on the screenshot posted earlier is just about the ultimate rattlesnake (officer>faction)
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Killer Dragon
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Posted - 2006.05.16 19:52:00 -
[73]
Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
Ill trade u something for all of it :D
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2006.05.17 07:34:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Hydrogen
Originally by: TheKiller8
Well I'd say this is a pretty strong tank.
And the Damage-per-Second isn't too shabby either.
That tank is plain nuts Good one - now where can we 1vs1 with you having that stuff on?
Try test server. This is not from TQ.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.05.17 08:17:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Deathbarrage
Originally by: FraXy
Edited by: FraXy on 16/05/2006 18:31:14
Did some dreaming during easter holidays about a Rattlesnake fitting:
[High] - 6x Cruise Launcher II, 2x True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
[Mid] - Gist X-type XL, Gist X-type EM, Gist X-type Thermal, 3x Dread Gurista Invulnerability
[Low] - 6x True Sansha PDU (True Sansha for the cool factor)
High-Grade Crystal Implant Set:
1030/4 = 257.5 HP/s + 55 HP/s Passive Regen = 312.5 HP/sec Max Regen
I don`t remember the roughly calculated resist using this info:
1.st Module = 100% effectivenes
2.th Modules = 87% effectiveness
3.rd Modules = 57% effectiveness
4.th Modules = 33% effectiveness
5.th Modules = 12% effectiveness
But the tank was capable of tanking this DPS forever aslong as the XL had enough cap:
EM - 2200 DPS
Thermal/Expl - 2700 DPS
Kinetic - 3700 DPS (With this high Kinetic i must`ve calculated with 3x Gist X-type hardeners and 2x DG Invulnerabilities)
Estimated cost of entire setup/ship/implants was roughly 6 Bill.
I think the rattlesnake fitting on the screenshot posted earlier is just about the ultimate rattlesnake (officer>faction)
Yes. but that fitting is actually able to get!!!! OMGZOR, NERF!!!!
The Estamel fitting is about as common as me actually not losing a ship.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.05.17 08:22:00 -
[76]
And just to point out Maverick.
2x Core X-type Large Repairers:
2520 HP every 15 sec
2520 HP every 11.25 sec with Repair System 5
2520 HP every 10.9125 sec with 3% Armor Repair Cycle Hardwiring (not sure if 5% exist)
2520/10.9125 = 230.9278351 HP/s
Lowest resist of 87.12 or 0.1288 multiplier = 230.93/0.1288 = 1792.9347 ~ 1793 DPS tankable as long as u can sustain the repairers.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.05.17 09:04:00 -
[77]
fraxy, there is 5% rep duration implant.
However i think that core rep is pathetic compared to some gist tanks. And in the end, gist tank is cheaper than core:P
2x core rep = 900mil, you get gist booster + pith amp x 2 for that price. It gets only worse when you start buying hardeners.
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Joshua Deakin
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Posted - 2006.05.17 09:57:00 -
[78]
core x-type large = 400mil *2 = 800mil
Corpus/corpum? large 450-500mil, same efficiency as core x which just uses less cap and reps a little less too.
Gist x-type 800-850mil, pith x 45% (does not drop yet?)
Gist x amp 400+mil 43,5%
And as for Fraxy tank setup I would substitute a hardener or two for an amp or two. I think it would tank more sustainable dps.
A dominix fairs pretty well too with a shield tank.
B-type tank is sustainable with 7*T2 PDS without NOS.
Meds: 2*dread invul 2*gist amps B/X XL booster
Lows: 7*T2 (or 6*T2+dmg control)
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.05.17 11:10:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Joshua Deakin
core x-type large = 400mil *2 = 800mil
Corpus/corpum? large 450-500mil, same efficiency as core x which just uses less cap and reps a little less too.
Gist x-type 800-850mil, pith x 45% (does not drop yet?)
Gist x amp 400+mil 43,5%
And as for Fraxy tank setup I would substitute a hardener or two for an amp or two. I think it would tank more sustainable dps.
A dominix fairs pretty well too with a shield tank.
B-type tank is sustainable with 7*T2 PDS without NOS.
Meds: 2*dread invul 2*gist amps B/X XL booster
Lows: 7*T2 (or 6*T2+dmg control)
With like Vespa`s modified Invulnerability... 43% Invuln or 46.5% Invulns i would use an Amp also, but i used the mods i could actually afford if i carebeared for half a year instead of the most ultimate setup.
If u want ultimate then Gist X-type XL, 4x Estamel Modified Invulnerability, Chelm Recharger and 6x Draclira`s Modified PDUs.
But with DG Invulns only i think 5 hardeners are better then adding 1-2 amps, but there is 2 different types of tanking.
The 5 hardener needs to be able to run the Gist XL forever pretty much while the 1-2 Amp boosts enough HP with over moderate resists that it don`t need to be run forever.
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