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Hando Gin	Posted - 2006.05.13 15:09:00 - [31] the bigger size of carrier (mothership) should be the minimum amount of ship that should be able to solo a lvl 5 mission imo
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.13 15:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Hando Gin the bigger size of carrier (mothership) should be the minimum amount of ship that should be able to solo a lvl 5 mission imo i take it you know very little about motherships
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.13 15:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Chakoth Originally by: Morrigan Starlover First of all I want level 5 missions to be impossible to solo. Missions just aren't hard enough if some apoc can solo the damn thing. Make the enemies in level 5 missions stronger than the players. Like concord strong. Make it so you just can't tank them straight up with hardeners + reps/boosters, but possibly tank them with aid of electronic warfare modules + logistics support. Like say make them hit so hard that you need to have like a tech 2 battlecruiser with armor hardeners and several 1600 RT just to be able to survive a volley or two. And then have several logistics ships there armor repping or shield transfering just to keep you up through all that damage. And this amount of damage is WITH ECM and all those other EW trinkets. Bottom line is I want level 5s to be HARD. A real challenge to be overcome with teamwork and tactics. And give lots of isk too~ Have something group only in a game where finding teams is kinda hard is not a good idea. There are alot of soloers out there and excluding them from level 5 missions is a bad idea. I wish the missions in this game was more dynamic, like CoH, where the missions dificulty scaled up with the number of people in the gang. So you dont think there should be any group content because some people like to solo? Is having 90% of the game revolving around soloers not enough?
Abyss Jack	Posted - 2006.05.13 16:06:00 - [34] Edited by: Abyss Jack on 13/05/2006 16:07:42 lvl 5 pvp agent -Random selection and sp analyzing of players from hostile faction, no gank missions -All who sign up for lvl5 agents have to kill other players, build up / destroy a pos, defend them from npc fleets...etc. -rewards, very rare faction ships and modules with special bonus to cloaking devices, wcs, tackling bonus or just speed bonus for hit and run missions in hostile space, design should be also special -2nd reward medals and ranks (higher rank for better and more dangerous missions, maybe fleetfights sometimes) it's a better game expirience tbh, the ppl will talk together and fight together. It's better than soloing the same missions over and over again...
Sorethen	Posted - 2006.05.13 16:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Morrigan Starlover So you dont think there should be any group content because some people like to solo? I think the point was that the group content should not be MORE REWARDING than the solo content. This is a huge flaw games like WoW/EQ/etc have. They add all this solo stuff but the soloers still quit because to get the good stuff you have to do the grouping. Adding group lvl 5's would be fine but you still need the solo lvl 5's. What I would like to see is them move away from the concept where they throw 15 npc's at you and the only difficulty is getting the right skills to fly ships with higher levels of tanking. How about a mission where you have to fight a lone battleship by going through a gate that only allows frigates? Or some mission where you have to sneak past a lot of mobs with your covert ops to destroy some building? CCP went to all the trouble to create all these neat new roles for ships but most of them have no real mission content. I'm not big on PvE but it seems silly that the best thing a newb can do is ramp himself up to a raven quickly and run lvl 4's.
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.05.13 16:26:00 - [36] I like TheKiller8's idea of using covert ops craft to navigate through a horde of super powerful ships undetected. Like a mission to break out a prisoner out of an outpost or some VIP trapped and surrounded by Gurista. More different missions for the win. I'd also like to see the level five missions incorporate some form of PvP instead of just being 'by-the-numbers' PvE missions that you do with the same tactics over and over again. ___________________
Shara Lee	Posted - 2006.05.13 16:47:00 - [37] Party Quests ala WoW? Tbh, I'm pretty disappointed with this game, while it's not bad as a soloable online game, the multiplayer pve part needs improvements. When I started WoW, my first few hours was with a group of friends in Elwynn Forest, doing quests as a group - in two week, we tried to do the first dungeon, with a nice balanced group (tank / healer / support / dps x2). Fast forward for 12 months, we're a 50 players group raiding end-game instances 4 days a week @ 20.00 - 24.00 (plus offdays 20 man raids), and struggling on the last dungeon of the game (until next patch anyways). Then we have eve. Called the best mmorpg by some, I was quite confused that you can't do missions together as a group, but once you've got something better than an Ibis, there is no need to do that at all. Sure, people "create" their own content with PvP, but that's quite lame compared to most real pvp games (and saves you the grind too), not to mention the combat, activate mods and uhm... wait? I had expected it to be more like FreeSpace II / Freelancer, the multiplayer party system in freelancer allowed some crazy ass stunts, like extremely underleveled mission running and distract and torpedo a frigate. Biggest issues in eve: - Universe is empty. Even with 25k concurrent people in one "unsharded world", which is just bs imo, when some people are like 5 hours of flying apart, 100+ people in 1 place is "omg omg lagness", while a zone on a single realm on WoW has much more activity. When was the last time, not on a stargate / station, that you ran into someone else? - Questing with a party. So only one guy gets the standing, and the missions themself are waay too easy, and the npc's are too stupid to track 2 people at the same time. Not to mention that there is no need for it, it's not like you need a warrior to get the mob's attention or a priest to heal. Just put on some resistances and they won't even scratch you, or a rediculously overpowered gisti small shield booster. - Questing itself. So this dude wants me to shoot some pirates? Sure. For the 100st time? Are you serious? For comparison, these are the missions in WoW for a newbie in one specific area. Also, after your first few hours, specific missions are given that can not be completed solo. - Standing. One massive grind, and lots of interruptions too because this Khanid dude wants you to shoot Minmartar all the time -> 4 hrs wait. Either that or forfeit a large part of empire space. - The interface. WoW is designed as a multiplayer game first, trading simulation second. Having a way to keep an eye on your fleet / raid is quite important - these screenshots shows my UI on our first raid boss kill. I'd like to see some party required quests (and also for lower "level" players), but for that to work, a lot have to be fixed first. Reward system is on the drawing board, npc AI (from zero to intelligent... that might take a while and lots of hardware), comm system (LFG channel, or just plain /yell LFG [11+] Wanted: "Hogger" on a busy road), the interface, and more. In the mean time, I'll just enjoy trading npc goods, some lvl3 grinding in a ferox until the skillpoints catch up with my wallet, and a few corp mining ops, but saying that I'm not impressed by eve is an understatement. I've always liked scifi stuff, and flying around in space has some strange attractiveness, combined with a working by players, for players economy, it's a good enough game. WoW on the other hand needs some better market interface... and 5% auction house fee is wtf extortion, and more craftable items. I'd love to see the best parts of both games combined, imagine this in space (note: it was late and 2 were drunk :P), but it's not gonna happen anytime soon.
Dhin Xar	Posted - 2006.05.13 17:14:00 - [38] Level 5 missions? 0.0 or lowsec only please!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.13 17:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Shara Lee Sure, people "create" their own content with PvP, but that's quite lame compared to most real pvp games
Sadist	Posted - 2006.05.13 17:22:00 - [40] Edited by: Sadist on 13/05/2006 17:22:08 Originally by: Zezman Like, totally. Make them like, players tough, like really really tough, like, soloing BoB or something. Totally Like totally! (people would solo them anyway...in carriers probably) --------------- VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.

SecretSeller	Posted - 2006.05.13 18:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Morrigan Starlover Bottom line is I want level 5s to be HARD. A real challenge to be overcome with teamwork and tactics. And give lots of isk too~ Nobody cares what you want kthnx
Thoris Levithar	Posted - 2006.05.13 18:46:00 - [42] Edited by: Thoris Levithar on 13/05/2006 18:46:53 Originally by: Dhin Xar Level 5 missions? 0.0 or lowsec only please! I'll bite: NO NO, make lvl 5 missions high sec only. Why should the people in low sec, who already have "all the fun" (hard belt rats, high lvl complexes etc) have exclusive access to the "best" missions as well? Agents belong to the empires, this means they should also be based in empire space (apart from the pirate factions perhaps :) EDIT: oops, misread your post, you said low-sec...this is ok of course then :)
Silver Night	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:01:00 - [43] I think they should be more dynamic. After you gring enough level 4 missions, I think the rats should get wise to you and sneak a Dread in to waste your nice tanked battleship. Warp into complex > gloating message from the rats > bam, you're in a pod. Might help with the mission grinding huh? Think they should do the same for level 3s, but with 2 battleships or something instead. And make it so its not tied to any one mission, can just appear on any mission against rats you have really ****ed off. -------------- Director. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Dhin Xar Level 5 missions? 0.0 or lowsec only please! What is it with you people who want non-pvpers to be forced out into your gankwebs? Heres an idea: GO FIGHT OTHER PVPERS or is that too much of a risk??
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:33:00 - [45] Sooner or later, someone will figure out a way to solo it, even if it ends up being a cruise spewing inty-raven. Simply multiplying the number of enemy's isn't the answer. Simply beefing them up also isn't the answer. Unfortunatly I dont have the answer, so its still a mystery . LVL 5's could be like level 4's... agents in space that direct you to border systems and give you a bunch of enemy faction things to kill... Once the kill limit reaches so many thousand, the system soverignty changes to the attacking empire with most kills. Just an idea. Oh, and Missions will NEVER give out good iskies. You'll be battling over 10 BS, which do the damage of 5 mill BS's, but only have a bounty of 650K. And they'll drop civilian weaponry too. ___________ Dont mind me, I'm Forum-Whoring cause I dont have anything better to do with my life...
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Morrigan Starlover Originally by: Dhin Xar Level 5 missions? 0.0 or lowsec only please! What is it with you people who want non-pvpers to be forced out into your gankwebs? Heres an idea: GO FIGHT OTHER PVPERS or is that too much of a risk?? i agree. having any modicum of unpredictability and risk in PvE is a truly horrible idea. There should be no way at all of players interfering with agent running, and agent runners should be able to run high level missions for high rewards without any fear. Risk vs reward is stupid anyway. Who wants risk?
TheKiller8	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:46:00 - [47] Yes they should also definitely need multiple players to do as well. I'm not just thinking insane rats that you couldn't possibly kill solo but also situations where you simply need multiple people like two switches that need to be activated simultaneously to proceed. Or having to haul something huge into the mission using a hauler which would require constant protection from someone else. Or demo I'd also like to see missions that you could easily just fail. Instead of a 30 minute completion bonus you just have 30 minutes to finish a mission. Imagine Damsel in Distress but now with an extra 'we'll kill the *** in halve an hour' element. Or retrieve something from an unstable deadspace pocket that's about to collapse and if you don't hurry up not only will you fail your mission but lose your ship as well! .: Click 2 See My Flash Animations :.**
Abyss Jack	Posted - 2006.05.13 19:58:00 - [48] Edited by: Abyss Jack on 13/05/2006 20:03:38 Originally by: HippoKing Who wants risk? i challange you for mortal kombat!
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.13 20:29:00 - [49] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Morrigan Starlover Originally by: Dhin Xar Level 5 missions? 0.0 or lowsec only please! What is it with you people who want non-pvpers to be forced out into your gankwebs? Heres an idea: GO FIGHT OTHER PVPERS or is that too much of a risk?? i agree. having any modicum of unpredictability and risk in PvE is a truly horrible idea. There should be no way at all of players interfering with agent running, and agent runners should be able to run high level missions for high rewards without any fear. Risk vs reward is stupid anyway. Who wants risk? Yeah why should I risk fighting other PvPers who are set up for anti-player when I can just easily camp people who are set up for missions who dont know how to or dont like to pvp? Its so much easier! ... Yeah lets just get rid of concord while we're at it...
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.13 20:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Abyss Jack Edited by: Abyss Jack on 13/05/2006 20:07:13 well i'll do lvl5 solo anywayz, can't be that hard Dont fool yourself, no mission in eve is hard. What i'm requesting are missions that are hard. Like instapop a battleship hard. So if anyone CAN solo it, its not hard. Cause then 2 people could easily do it. 3 people could waltz through it. 5 people could do it afk. Use your imagination. If it took 5 titans to make it unsoloable the put 5 titans in it. It CAN be that hard.

Naleb Cilani	Posted - 2006.05.13 20:42:00 - [51] Edited by: Naleb Cilani on 13/05/2006 20:42:50 The problem is that you want level 5 Agent Missions as an end game. That concept in itself is horribly flawed. Plus they should only be in 0.0, preferably in 5Z... Quote: if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
Abyss Jack	Posted - 2006.05.13 21:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Morrigan Starlover Originally by: Abyss Jack Edited by: Abyss Jack on 13/05/2006 20:07:13 well i'll do lvl5 solo anywayz, can't be that hard Dont fool yourself, no mission in eve is hard. What i'm requesting are missions that are hard. Like instapop a battleship hard. So if anyone CAN solo it, its not hard. Cause then 2 people could easily do it. 3 people could waltz through it. 5 people could do it afk. Use your imagination. If it took 5 titans to make it unsoloable the put 5 titans in it. It CAN be that hard. it wasn't that foolish, think about it. There will be no way that ccp add more powerfull deadspaces than 10/10 complexes into empire. And those plexes are soloable. 0.0 will lose too much worth... Even if its not possible to do with 3 bs, you could do it with moros + carrier support e.g. Alts ftw note: i mean 2 accounts is also solo a adventure
Fanjita	Posted - 2006.05.13 21:49:00 - [53] I say tie them in with kali and faction warfare and make them real pvp missions
etheris	Posted - 2006.05.13 22:05:00 - [54] Group PvE content would be great in this game imo. Not just getting together with buddies to take down tough level 4's or run complexes. But actual missions geared to groups. That would be fun I think :) "we are stronger as one"
Morrigan Starlover	Posted - 2006.05.13 22:50:00 - [55] I guess it wouldn't matter if they were in lowsec or not. As long as they are in deadspace where nobody but your gang can follow you I guess its ok. Make instas for each of them and all of the peeps who are licking their chops dreaming about zerging the missioners can go Q_Q.
Dhin Xar	Posted - 2006.05.13 23:05:00 - [56] Assuming these have higher rewards per-participant than Level 4s, placing them in High Security space would be a complete screwup of risk versus rewards. Level 4s, with the various farming tricks, already give a very high level of reward for absolutely no risk whatsoever.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.14 01:57:00 - [57] My idea for level 5 missions: Don't add them, or make them facton-warfare related. We don't need some uber mission that gives 10mil in rewards and 20-40k LP +probably 50-100mil in bounties. And could you imagine a lvl 5 GE? The bonus stage would have to have a POS FFS.
vanBuskirk	Posted - 2006.05.14 02:28:00 - [58] Revolutionary idea for level 5 missions; build something instead of blowing it up, and in such a way that it requires more than one type of skill. Example (off-the-cuff): (insert faction here) needs some independents to build an outpost to base at in order to suppress (insert pirate faction here). This mission needs an escort group, as the pirates will attempt to disrupt the operation. It also needs people with construction skills, and maybe some people with mining skills to fill in some gaps in the minerals that the empire fleet has managed to produce on site. Example: "We have piled up the minerals for the construction job, but some idiot decided to be neat and tidy and ship all the isogen in one load, and some of the opposition blew it up en route. You need to mine enough ore to produce the iso; anything else that you get out of the ore you mine, you can keep." Maybe also some people with uber hauling skills. You get the idea. This sort of mission would make it pretty well impossible to solo. It would also address the ongoing problem that only combat specialists can make any decent isk while mission-running. Comments please? ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." ----------------------------------------------
Brady	Posted - 2006.05.14 10:15:00 - [59] Originally by: bumcheekcity Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 13/05/2006 07:51:28 Something along those lines. Id love it if they kept lv4's as they are (the griding money maker), and lv5's totaly off the scale. I think in the region of 10 people to complete would be great... ofc your talking ubber ish reward here... along the lines of officer mods... Very simple thoughts, im sure ccp have something better in mind... but along those kind of lines. Edit.... Ummm... npc's using ecm though... tbh it's just crap... as it stands. I dont know. I'd like more distinctions here. Perhaps keep the missions as they are, and add: Lv5 - 2-3 People OR one ultra-amazing Player (30mil SP specialised Command Ship Pilot set up specifically to do the level. These shoudln't be easy,but should be completeable in 3 BSs, with one person as a tank, or an Absolution or something doing it solo, but only with an INSANE amount of specilisation. Lv6 - One Mission per 3 days only (to stop farming). Needs 5-10 or so people to do. K, I've got a pimped command ship and over 35mill sp, If I can solo lvl 5 missions I'll be ****ed. When lvl 4 came out they were fantastic, hard to do and a team was needed, but CCP caved into whingers. I'd like to see lvl 5's needing a team of at least 4 or 5 well skilled players to complete.
Traxman	Posted - 2006.05.16 12:10:00 - [60] Originally by: Dhin Xar Level 5 missions? 0.0 or lowsec only please! Sure, as long as we get the 10/10 plexes in Empire i dont have anything to add. And yes, lvl5 should bring in teams whatever people are saying. Im getting tired to make all plexes/agent missions alone and its a lot more fun doing it with your friends. Killing a Guristas Dread would be fun, and if we enter the plex with quite some frineds meaby the guristas bring in more of his frineds.. more like dynamic depending how many you are so people dont blob lvl5 missions with 200 ibis warriors



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