Come on CCP. I hope you really aint thinking of making hi sec manufacturing less efficient. It makes no sense.

I'm sure it's not that simple.

And any arbitrary "force people into someone's gate camp" changes are going to be met with unsubs.

Nullsec has been very due for a boost in production capability for a long time.

For the game it does make sense.

OK so they are removing slots and going with a cost scaling system so that in cases where everybody just has to be trendy and all pick the same system to produce in, it will eat into the profit margin.

Big deal.


But the implications of time to produce over availability and how that affects prices based on market demand will be most interesting. On the one hand without waiting for a slot, things get produced faster, but the cost may be higher especially if there is a stampede, but the market could be flooded faster and having met demand, the prices would come down.

(this puts the "pack leader" min maxer types in a position to really screw themselves too)

No matter what happens, there will be tears. There are people who shriek if you give them one more "I" to dot or "t" to cross, merely because of OCD or it might cost them .001 ISK.

OK so Ill offend my fellow countrymen, well It won't offend them I know so lets say Null sec is Glasgow on a friday night after the pubs close then.

I hope they do exactly that....Risk vs Reward. Highsec = low risk, so low reward. Lowsec=higher risk, therefore higher reward.

I imagine that mfg slot costs in high are going up anywhere between 1,000 and 10,000 times over existing costs, for any system within 15 jumps of a trade hub. That includes low sec as well.

If it takes a little over 500 million ISK / month right now to run a large POS, you can bet that to run the same amount of research / mfg slots as in an NPC station will be closer to a billion when the dust settles. Of course, in null sec, the same amount of slots will be a tiny fraction of that. Of course, finding a POS location in high sec will become more than problematic anyway.

Makes perfect sense, that is why the most profitable manufacturing in the world is done in Somalia...

I guess I have to get REALLY busy until June, converting all my LP into faction BPC's, because the cost of mfg those LP items is going to soar.

God, I hate the CSM.

Yes, but if you were able to manufacture in Somalia, it would be more profitable in the US as you wouldn't have to pay any tax. You'd just need to hire a private army to take care of the pirates. Quite a fitting example when relating this to eve I think.

In that case, a lowsec station without that surcharge would obviously inherently give you a 12% margin, which is very compelling.

"If you could"....you mean like if you could elect someone to a group of representatives and have them fly to Iceland and **** and moan to CCP until manufacturing in Somalia was more feasible than in the United States? lol

This is until cargo starts getting lost to gate camps and pirates. That will eat into that 12% real quick.

Quoted for posterity.

While "imagine" is the right word at this point, at least for once these are statements we'll be able to measure the accuracy of, not too far into the future.

So let's see what happens and whether you are correct. I'll predict you're not.

We will indeed see.
If this 14% cap is what CCP is serious about, does that mean it will cost 20 million for one slot to build a BS?
And if min prices will rise as these changes demand, does that mean maybe 30 or 40 million?

I would imagine that the cost scale is similar to corp office where some stations have rather astronomical rents compared to a price next door but low sec by default will have better costs for industry after this change.
Though if there's a sudden rush to low sec stations this might change.

So what will this mean for capital production? With BPO's being IN the POS now, will we be seeing some null-sec builders getting out of the cap business? Its bad enough that if you lose your system you can lose access to your BPO's in a station but sitting hundreds of billions worth of them in a POS in null... thats scary. Imagine how much the spy game will increase as null spies try and discover the locations of building POS's so they can drop in and grab some juicy BPO's...

Remove the ability for players to use stations to safely store their blueprints without putting them at risk in Starbase structures. Players will still be able to start their jobs remotely (via the use of Supply Chain Management and Scientific Networking skills), but will now have to move their blueprints directly into the starbase structures that require it, like other materials.

They really have to let us remap our skills

With all these major changes it really affects one's play style.
They are making some skills less desirable and others more desirable.

Thats probably the straw that broke the camels back for me.

I don't mind more people move to low sec and null sec deserts and make more profit than a high sec player.Why someone who risks jumping transferring etc have same profit with someone that is abusing a high sec station with many many runs?

I really like what manufacturing is going to be and how more fun and fair CCP is making it.

Yes, but if you were able to manufacture in Somalia, it would be more profitable than in the US as you wouldn't have to pay any tax. You'd just need to hire a private army to take care of the pirates. Quite a fitting example when relating this to eve I think.

i like that the poses don't require absurd standings now, that's nice.